Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread

[wasteland]

Oh, and this is probably rather old, but it gave me a good laugh 

[cramx3]

That's hilarious 

[ariich]

On a similar note, Jon Snow meets Jon Snow: https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/459685239934431234/photo/1

[Dimitrius]

The series just spoiled something for book readers!!

That last scene raises so many questions!! The only thing it confirms is that the Others/white walkers are indeed a race of supernatural beings with some king of society/hierarchy.

[Super Dude]

Is that even Martin-approved? My book-reading friend was flipping a shit at the entire last 15 minutes.

[Dimitrius]

It has to be.

We know that the next book is gonna delved into the white walkers and the Lands of Always Winter... I'm guessing this is our first taste at that.

[senecadawg2]

I'm curious to know, without any spoilers if possible, how the book is planning on delving into that setting. Wouldn't a POV character need to be there? I guess there are some major characters moving north, but still…

[Dimitrius]

There's a character with some... abilities, that can help there.

[cramx3]

I think book readers aren't going to be happy. All the stuff with Crasters was not in the books and then that ending... yes that may have been spoilers for book readers.

[Podaar]

I'm not unhappy with the episode. More like confused. I suppose I should reserve judgment until the screenwriters story completely unfolds but I'll just throw this out there: The happenings at Castle Black/The Wall was probably the best parts of the books! In my mind it would have made for great television...so why change things so drastically?

Part of the fun of watching the series is seeing what changes the screenwriters make and trying to figure out why. For the most part, this series has been incredibly faithful to the source. Now that they are deviating...I don't know. On the surface it just seems pointless.

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, the ending really had me scratching my head.  I need to rewatch it. 

We'll see what happens, I guess.

[Mister Gold]

My guess is that they're changing things because they know that Martin probably won't finish the novels before they catch up to him, so they're sowing the seeds now to allow the show to eventually deviate permanently from the books and allow it to draw its own conclusion separate from the books.

[TioJorge]

I've really lost interest in the show. I'm loving the books and am halfway through 4, but the show couldn't possibly be less interesting to me. I mean, I absolutely love the casting, the direction, the music, the world...but something about the way they tell the story bores the fuck outta me. And we all know how boring fuck is.

But really, I have forced myself through S2 and was rewarded with a spectacular finale...only to be disappointed by the little king's death, which was so completely underwhelming it wasn't even funny. Yeah, push the boundaries with how many tits you can get on the screen, but don't allow one of the most beautifully developed and equally hated, wretched characters in existence to have his deserved death... It's a bad joke. The show has just been so hopelessly up and down. There's times when I think it can surpass what the books have created, and other times that I wonder what the flying fuck the creative team is smoking when they throw us through the ringer like they did this recent end to this episode.

It's just too jumbled and unfinished for me. Martin has his mistakes, the obvious being his own jarring way of telling the story, supposedly one which I haven't read yet but know of due to its infamous nature. But the books have the luxury of my infinite, amazing imagination that cannot possibly be matched by anything tangible. The show is so much more limited, it can't afford to make the mistakes that Martin has in the books. Which they have thus far. I like the show, but for the life of me I can't get into it like many people have (granted, most of the fans that I've spoken to haven't read the books...dunno how this statistic holds overall though).

Whatevs, I still enjoy it, but my reading the books before the show kind of set my expectations through the roof, and with the hype this show got, I kind of kept those expectations only to be a bit let down (though not a first). I'll continue watching and I'm sure enjoy it, though. I just hope it doesn't get any more jumbled than it has, a bit more concise with the perspectives and timelines. What worries me is that it's just going to become harder to do as they progress since it's obvious they're going to surpass Martin's timeline.

[BlackInk]

Fucking awesome episode. You have probably noticed that I'm #teamwhitewalkers, so that ending was really really interesting. The rest was amazing as usual, but that topped it all.

Dany's scenes were really cool too. That shot of her on the top of the great pyramid was cool, real movie like. And also, isn't there a valyrian road in Mereen? Or from Mereen? It would be cool to see that sometime.

EDIT: Also, the post above is why I don't read the books until after the show. Guaranteed double enjoyment.

[TioJorge]

Well, I can't be faulted for not being able to predict that they'd make a show about it, now can I? 

Otherwise I agree, I try to predict now whether a new book series will be adapted into a movie/TV show since it's become so popular to do so in the past decade (I should say, ridiculously so recently...since it's been going on a while now).

[Dimitrius]

In my case, if the books are going to be adapted doesn't factor at all in my decision of reading them or not.

And in regards to the GoT, I think D&D do the best they can with the limitations of the medium and I've enjoyed (and even been surprised) by the changes they've made to the source material. Though I am very interested to see how they handled things after this season since they'll be in full AFfC/ADwD territory.

[snapple]

My guess is that they're changing things because they know that Martin probably won't finish the novels before they catch up to him, so they're sowing the seeds now to allow the show to eventually deviate permanently from the books and allow it to draw its own conclusion separate from the books.

Martin already told D&D how the story ends. They won't deviate.

[Dimitrius]

Of course they will, they have to to make it fit their story.

[Mister Gold]

My guess is that they're changing things because they know that Martin probably won't finish the novels before they catch up to him, so they're sowing the seeds now to allow the show to eventually deviate permanently from the books and allow it to draw its own conclusion separate from the books.

Martin already told D&D how the story ends. They won't deviate.

I'm aware of that, but I could see them making a similar, but different ending to the series if need be.

[The King in Crimson]

Man, this episode was like 90% new stuff. I knew it was going to happen eventually (because Martin lol) but it was still jarring. Still, a significant step up from last weeks and finally, FINALLY we get to see the real Others and not the chilly zombies that we've only seen before.

[gmillerdrake]

I think they've done a fantastic job with Jamie's character...the way he's pretty much turned a 180. I went from despising the character to next to Tyrion, he's possibly my favorite.

Daneyreus is ruthless.  I love it.

I don't know if any other parents had as hard a time listening to that baby cry the 'I'm scared and hurt' cry....not the "I'm hungry cry" as I did, but there is a difference in the two and they were able to capture the correct one for those scenes. It was brutal for me for some reason, on top of just thinking of a baby left out in the cold like that.

I'm curious as to if that baby being 'touched' by a being that wasn't as decayed as the Walkers we've seen.....he had more skin and a more organic feel....I'm curious as to if that's what that baby would grow in to?

[puppyonacid]

Absolutely!

I watched the episode last night. I had to turn the sound down. I'm generally not the crying sort at movies, tv shows etc. Things may put a lump in my throat, but listening to that baby cry was making me teary eyed. Not nice to listen to. God knows how they recorded it :-/

[Dimitrius]

Well, everytime they show the White Walkers they look more human and less decrepit and wrinkled. Compared the ones from the pilot to the others shown.

I don't know if that means that, symbolically, they're gaining strength or that they're different castes of them.

[cramx3]

I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them.  I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.

[Podaar]

I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them.  I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure there's room for another character to be merged with Locke...he's practically the entire troop of the Bloody Mummers all rolled into one now! 

[Dimitrius]

I'm still mad he doesn't have a lisp, though.

[Podaar]

Yes, the removal of Vargo Hoat (and Shagwell the Fool for that matter) as a character is one of the more disappointing choices for me as a fan of the novels. I will say, they've still done a good job of using the remaining villains effectively as motivations for the central characters.

[cramx3]

I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them.  I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure there's room for another character to be merged with Locke...he's practically the entire troop of the Bloody Mummers all rolled into one now! 

One idea (spoilers), I read the forums on westeros.org so I dont come up with these ideas myself...

Bowen Marsh, since he stabs Jon at the end of ADWD or he could just end up getting killed at Crasters, but if he survives crasters then I would bet he gets real close to Jon and then stabs him in the back right after he announces he is going to take on the Boltons (see the connection?)

[The King in Crimson]

I'm wondering if Locke's buddy-buddy routine with Snow is all ruse or if there's a blossoming bromance in the works there. Might make things a bit more interesting if Locke actually takes a liking to Snow. I'm kinda hoping he doesn't bite it at Craster's Keep.

[Super Dude]

I'm kinda hoping he doesn't bite it at Craster's Keep.

Well, if we know GRRM...

[cramx3]

I'm wondering if Locke's buddy-buddy routine with Snow is all ruse or if there's a blossoming bromance in the works there. Might make things a bit more interesting if Locke actually takes a liking to Snow. I'm kinda hoping he doesn't bite it at Craster's Keep.

Thats a feeling I got.  He is going into the NW with the idea of getting info out of Jon, but ends up doing something at Craster's keep that saves his life or something else that ends up getting them really close with an eventual betrayal.  Who knows, even the book readers cant say they know how this all plays out.

[bertoltus]

Didn't Roose Bolton task Locke with looking for Bran and Rickon? And I think Locke overheard Sam and Jon talking about Bran being beyond the Wall...

[Podaar]

Didn't Roose Bolton task Locke with looking for Bran and Rickon? And I think Locke overheard Sam and Jon talking about Bran being beyond the Wall...

Yes, that's the way I saw it unfold.

[wasteland]

I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them.  I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure there's room for another character to be merged with Locke...he's practically the entire troop of the Bloody Mummers all rolled into one now! 

One idea (spoilers), I read the forums on westeros.org so I dont come up with these ideas myself...

Bowen Marsh, since he stabs Jon at the end of ADWD or he could just end up getting killed at Crasters, but if he survives crasters then I would bet he gets real close to Jon and then stabs him in the back right after he announces he is going to take on the Boltons (see the connection?)

This is most likely what is going to happen. Good thinkin' 

[BlackInk]

Someone else suspecting that Grey Worm might be Missandei's brother?