Author Topic: In Retrospect - Album of the Year 2003 - Nomination Phase (Read 8950 times)

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #70 on:** April 13, 2011, 07:39:33 AM »

Quote from: Jirpo on April 13, 2011, 05:52:14 AM

I love Train of Thought and its my favourite from 2003, and definitely in my top 5 DT albums. The last 4 songs are great, but my favourite from the album is actually Endless Sacrifice. As I Am is pretty good. The only song I don't like too much is TDS, but its not horrible.

Totally agree. Endless Sack of Rice may be a top 10 DT song to me. I'll never get why people don't like it, it screams what DT is all about to me, and awesomely executed at that.

*flameshield*

Zantera · « **Reply #71 on:** April 13, 2011, 07:44:50 AM »

Endless Sacrifice for me has always been slightly hard to grasp.
I do enjoy the calmer parts (the verses for example), but the chorus doesn't really fit the song, and I really don't like the chorus that much either.
It also has some slightly annoying solo-sections, but then again that's just how I feel.

Jirpo · « **Reply #72 on:** April 13, 2011, 07:52:12 AM »

Quote from: Jamesman on April 13, 2011, 07:39:33 AM

Quote from: Jirpo on April 13, 2011, 05:52:14 AM
I love Train of Thought and its my favourite from 2003, and definitely in my top 5 DT albums. The last 4 songs are great, but my favourite from the album is actually Endless Sacrifice. As I Am is pretty good. The only song I don't like too much is TDS, but its not horrible.

Totally agree. Endless Sack of Rice may be a top 10 DT song to me. I'll never get why people don't like it, it screams what DT is all about to me, and awesomely executed at that.

*flameshield*

Its very high on my list, I won't say where cause I want to do a DT top 50 and I don't wanna ruin it

I will say however that its definitely in my top 10

bodiesinflight · « **Reply #73 on:** April 13, 2011, 08:03:53 AM »

Biffy Clyro - The Vertigo of Bliss
Funeral for a Friend - Casually Dressed and Deep in Conversation
Oceansize - Effloresce
No-Man - Together We're Stranger
Radiohead - Hail to the Thief

Honourable mentions to:
Aereogramme - Sleep and Release
Hell is for Heroes - The Neon Handshake
The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium
Katatonia - Viva Emptiness
Opeth - Damnation

Marvellous G · « **Reply #74 on:** April 13, 2011, 09:08:38 AM »

St. Anger is great, I would actually put it on my list but I'm so lazy I can't even be bothered to remove another one.

Global Laziness · « **Reply #75 on:** April 13, 2011, 09:54:27 AM »

1) Dream Theater - Train of Thought
2) Evergrey - Recreation Day
3) Sun Caged - Sun Caged
4) Wolverine - Cold Light of Monday
5) Iron Maiden - Dance of Death

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6) Bigelf - Hex
7) Anathema - A Natural Disaster
8) OSI - Office of Strategic Influence
9) Devin Townsend - Accelerated Evolution
10) The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium

skydivingninja · « **Reply #76 on:** April 13, 2011, 10:01:29 AM »

Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 12, 2011, 06:37:01 PM

Quote from: skydivingninja on April 12, 2011, 08:34:13 AM
Zantera, I'm not trying to force anyone to conform to my opinions. I'm aware that music is subjective. Considering how much people cite recent DT as their "decline," I'm just very surprised so many people are nominating it as one of the best albums of the year and I've explained why.
Recent? People have been complaining about Dream Theater's "decline" since FII came out!

On this forum in general, people typically cite Six Degrees as the last "great" DT album, and typically everything from ToT-BC&SL has been considered anywhere from good to bad, but nothing close to earlier greatness. That's just been the general attitude as far ever since I joined, as far as I can tell. Not saying everyone thinks this, because I certainly don't, but there is quite a lot of dislike for the post-6DoiT material, so I'm just a bit surprised ToT is getting so many nominations for best album of 2003.

rogerdil · « **Reply #77 on:** April 13, 2011, 03:34:27 PM »

Taal - Skymind
A.C.T - Last Epic
King Crimson - The Power to Believe
Absoluuttinen Nollapiste - Seitsemäs Sinetti
Gary Wilson - Forgotten Lovers

jsem · « **Reply #78 on:** April 13, 2011, 03:53:20 PM »

Quote from: rogerdil on April 13, 2011, 03:34:27 PM

A.C.T - Last Epic

Another fan?

Amazing.

Gorille85 · « **Reply #79 on:** April 13, 2011, 04:00:01 PM »

1. Unexpect - We, Invaders
2. Thrice - The Artist in the Ambulance
3. SikTh - The Trees are Dead and Dried Out, Wait for Something Wild
4. Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye
5. The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium

Muse and Opeth came close...

rogerdil · « **Reply #80 on:** April 13, 2011, 04:01:45 PM »

Quote from: jsem on April 13, 2011, 03:53:20 PM

Quote from: rogerdil on April 13, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
A.C.T - Last Epic
Another fan?

Amazing.

Yes, of that particular album.

contest_sanity · « **Reply #81 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:03:33 PM »

Quote from: skydivingninja on April 13, 2011, 10:01:29 AM

Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 12, 2011, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: skydivingninja on April 12, 2011, 08:34:13 AM
Zantera, I'm not trying to force anyone to conform to my opinions. I'm aware that music is subjective. Considering how much people cite recent DT as their "decline," I'm just very surprised so many people are nominating it as one of the best albums of the year and I've explained why.
Recent? People have been complaining about Dream Theater's "decline" since FII came out!

On this forum in general, people typically cite Six Degrees as the last "great" DT album, and typically everything from ToT-BC&SL has been considered anywhere from good to bad, but nothing close to earlier greatness. That's just been the general attitude as far ever since I joined, as far as I can tell. Not saying everyone thinks this, because I certainly don't, but there is quite a lot of dislike for the post-6DoiT material, so I'm just a bit surprised ToT is getting so many nominations for best album of 2003.

Serious question here b/c I've only been around for a little over a year and don't know a lot of the history, but is it possible that the crowd of people who think DT's last peak was 6DOIT has simply been more vocal, rather than more numerous?

SPNKr · « **Reply #82 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:09:34 PM »

Quote from: Marvellous G on April 13, 2011, 09:08:38 AM

St. Anger is great, I would actually put it on my list but I'm so lazy I can't even be bothered to remove another one.

St. Anger will never make a top of 2003 on any list. You can't even change your list in these nomination phases.

wolfking · « **Reply #83 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:12:59 PM »

I think St Anger would be number 6 or 7 on my list, it just misses out on top 5. It doesn't matter changing our lists anyway as it won't make the next round. Such a great album, the DVD is killer, great bunch of songs, I've always said, St Anger >>>> Death Magnetic by miles!

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #84 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:15:42 PM »

I liked St. Anger back in the day, but I listened to it today and it made me cringe. And normally most music doesn't do that.

SPNKr · « **Reply #85 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:18:53 PM »

Quote from: wolfking on April 13, 2011, 05:12:59 PM

I think St Anger would be number 6 or 7 on my list, it just misses out on top 5. It doesn't matter changing our lists anyway as it won't make the next round. Such a great album, the DVD is killer, great bunch of songs, I've always said, St Anger >>>> Death Magnetic by miles!

I think it's as good as DM. I don't know what's better though. Hey how about that part in My World where after Het goes "ITS - MAH - WORLD. SUCKER" and then the riff right at that part, but then there's the other part of the song where Lars is on double bass for that part! So fucking brutally metal, it's tough on my balls.

TAC · « **Reply #86 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:23:12 PM »

Heavenly-Dust To Dust
Iron Maiden-Dance Of Death
Alice Cooper-The Eyes Of Alice Cooper
Dream Theater-Train Of Thought
Hammerfall-One Crimson Night

wolfking · « **Reply #87 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:23:53 PM »

Quote from: SPNKr on April 13, 2011, 05:18:53 PM

Quote from: wolfking on April 13, 2011, 05:12:59 PM
I think St Anger would be number 6 or 7 on my list, it just misses out on top 5. It doesn't matter changing our lists anyway as it won't make the next round. Such a great album, the DVD is killer, great bunch of songs, I've always said, St Anger >>>> Death Magnetic by miles!

I think it's as good as DM. I don't know what's better though. Hey how about that part in My World where after Het goes "ITS - MAH - WORLD. SUCKER" and then the riff right at that part, but then there's the other part of the song where Lars is on double bass for that part! So fucking brutally metal, it's tough on my balls.

One of my favourite parts; NOT ONLY DO I NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, I DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!

wolfking · « **Reply #88 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:24:49 PM »

Quote from: TAC on April 13, 2011, 05:23:12 PM

Hammerfall-One Crimson Night

That's a fantastic live concert. I love the DVD, watched it so many ttimes. I still need to pick up the cd for the bonus tracks.

SPNKr · « **Reply #89 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:26:18 PM »

Quote from: wolfking on April 13, 2011, 05:23:53 PM

Quote from: SPNKr on April 13, 2011, 05:18:53 PM
Quote from: wolfking on April 13, 2011, 05:12:59 PM
I think St Anger would be number 6 or 7 on my list, it just misses out on top 5. It doesn't matter changing our lists anyway as it won't make the next round. Such a great album, the DVD is killer, great bunch of songs, I've always said, St Anger >>>> Death Magnetic by miles!

I think it's as good as DM. I don't know what's better though. Hey how about that part in My World where after Het goes "ITS - MAH - WORLD. SUCKER" and then the riff right at that part, but then there's the other part of the song where Lars is on double bass for that part! So fucking brutally metal, it's tough on my balls.

One of my favourite parts; NOT ONLY DO I NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, I DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!

Man

I used to screw up those lyrics thinking he said "Not only do I know the answer, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS". Yep I know, doesn't make sense at all. But yeah bro, that part is one of my favourites

pain of occupation · « **Reply #90 on:** April 14, 2011, 10:43:13 AM »

i wouldnt know if st anger's as good as death magnetic, having refused to spin DM. i assumed DM had to be better, for a plethora of reasons.

i'll agree to give it a spin sometime if lars pays for my metallica tattoo laser removal.

skydivingninja · « **Reply #91 on:** April 14, 2011, 10:54:47 AM »

Quote from: contest_sanity on April 13, 2011, 05:03:33 PM

Quote from: skydivingninja on April 13, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 12, 2011, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: skydivingninja on April 12, 2011, 08:34:13 AM
Zantera, I'm not trying to force anyone to conform to my opinions. I'm aware that music is subjective. Considering how much people cite recent DT as their "decline," I'm just very surprised so many people are nominating it as one of the best albums of the year and I've explained why.
Recent? People have been complaining about Dream Theater's "decline" since FII came out!

On this forum in general, people typically cite Six Degrees as the last "great" DT album, and typically everything from ToT-BC&SL has been considered anywhere from good to bad, but nothing close to earlier greatness. That's just been the general attitude as far ever since I joined, as far as I can tell. Not saying everyone thinks this, because I certainly don't, but there is quite a lot of dislike for the post-6DoiT material, so I'm just a bit surprised ToT is getting so many nominations for best album of 2003.
Serious question here b/c I've only been around for a little over a year and don't know a lot of the history, but is it possible that the crowd of people who think DT's last peak was 6DOIT has simply been more vocal, rather than more numerous?

I don't go into DT side too much anymore, but it seemed to be a plethora of users who agreed with that mentality, rather than just a loud few. I mean, if it was just a few, I could probably name most of them. Besides, I have a feeling a lot of those who shared that viewpoint moved on to 5/8.

contest_sanity · « **Reply #92 on:** April 14, 2011, 08:51:50 PM »

Quote from: skydivingninja on April 14, 2011, 10:54:47 AM

Quote from: contest_sanity on April 13, 2011, 05:03:33 PM
Quote from: skydivingninja on April 13, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 12, 2011, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: skydivingninja on April 12, 2011, 08:34:13 AM
Zantera, I'm not trying to force anyone to conform to my opinions. I'm aware that music is subjective. Considering how much people cite recent DT as their "decline," I'm just very surprised so many people are nominating it as one of the best albums of the year and I've explained why.
Recent? People have been complaining about Dream Theater's "decline" since FII came out!
On this forum in general, people typically cite Six Degrees as the last "great" DT album, and typically everything from ToT-BC&SL has been considered anywhere from good to bad, but nothing close to earlier greatness. That's just been the general attitude as far ever since I joined, as far as I can tell. Not saying everyone thinks this, because I certainly don't, but there is quite a lot of dislike for the post-6DoiT material, so I'm just a bit surprised ToT is getting so many nominations for best album of 2003.
Serious question here b/c I've only been around for a little over a year and don't know a lot of the history, but is it possible that the crowd of people who think DT's last peak was 6DOIT has simply been more vocal, rather than more numerous?
I don't go into DT side too much anymore, but it seemed to be a plethora of users who agreed with that mentality, rather than just a loud few. I mean, if it was just a few, I could probably name most of them. Besides, I have a feeling a lot of those who shared that viewpoint moved on to 5/8.

Interesting. My observation over the past year has been that, while there were of course a good many who slammed TOT, usually an equal amount of posters showed up to defend it. Maybe I should make a poll...

contest_sanity · « **Reply #93 on:** April 14, 2011, 09:32:13 PM »

Just a quick new post to say that I made a poll about the above conversation concerning when DT's last great album occurred:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22160.msg846108#msg846108

yorost · « **Reply #94 on:** April 15, 2011, 12:58:42 PM »

I made a followup to your poll in regards to Train of Thought specifically.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22173.0

News: Track-by-track video for Paralyzed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd5TbGbalPs&feature=youtu.be

Author Topic: In Retrospect - Album of the Year 2003 - Nomination Phase (Read 8950 times)