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Offline Perpetual Change

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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #140 on: April 26, 2011, 09:45:51 AM »
Quote from: EPICVIEW on April 26, 2011, 09:34:11 AM
Umless Obama gets amnesty approved..he will be gone...thankfully. like Carter a bad dream.

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By who?

This election, for the Republicans, will by like the election of 2004 for the dems. The Republicans, like the democratcs of that time, have spent the past couple years bitching and bitching about non-issues, people's personalities, birth certificates, and other issues which are, frankly, retarded. When it comes time to run the election, they will discover, as the democrats did in 2004, that there actually is no party platform. And they will discover, as the democrats did, that their party leadership are unelectable goons (just look at the pickins right now, Newt, Trump, etc., all slimeballs most with bad enough personal skeletons that they will never make it through a campaign without getting smeared to pieces). Knowing this, the RNC will have to pull a tired, uncharismatic old man like Mitt Romney from out of the woodwork, someone barely less sleepy and uninteresting then John Kerry. This new candidate, the only the RNC could muster up, will lose to an unpopular president who should not be able to win again and, thanks to the utterly stupid discorse perpetuated by the right over these last couple years, we will have 4 more years of Obama. Mark my words.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #141 on: April 26, 2011, 09:48:27 AM »
PC,
I agree.. If  I had my way..id like Newt G with Rudy as his VP..

but, I really have no idea who it will be at this point. but I would vote for a toad over Obama, so just get me in the booth and get my hand on the lever on the right..LOL
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #142 on: April 26, 2011, 09:55:41 AM »
The American people don't want to vote for someone who looks like the Pilsbury doughboy and cheated on his ex-Wife while she was going through chemo. Remember what that did to John Edwards?

Newt's led a shameful life; he won't get far before that becomes a topic of discussion.

Trump's got the same kinda baggage. I'm sure there are plenty of slimy personal and business relations just waiting to come out in the open, if they haven't already.

My ideal Republican ticket would probably, at this point, involve Mitt Romney or Ron Paul--- and that's only if we get gov. of Massachusetts Romney, not the wannabe grandstander from 2008.  
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #143 on: April 26, 2011, 10:10:26 AM »
Ron Paul is Toxic... I cant stand him ..
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #144 on: April 26, 2011, 10:12:54 AM »
I disagree with him, sometimes vehemently so, but I was happy to support him in 2008 and will again.

Why don't you like him? Is it because he doesn't support the crusades in the middle east?
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #145 on: April 26, 2011, 10:19:49 AM »
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 26, 2011, 10:12:54 AM
I disagree with him, sometimes vehemently so, but I was happy to support him in 2008 and will again.

Why don't you like him? Is it because he doesn't support the crusades in the middle east?

I just dont like him or his nasty supporters, they are  blemish to the GOP, they conduct themsleves like goons..and I think they guy is a classless louse
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #146 on: April 26, 2011, 10:51:42 AM »
Holy fuck.  Of all of your claims, many of which were pretty outlandish, calling Ron Paul an classless louse might be the topper.  You defend some real slimy bastards because they carry the GOP banner, and yet don't like the only guy in Washington who's a known pragmatist.  I'm really surprised by that.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #147 on: April 26, 2011, 02:40:04 PM »
Quote from: EPICVIEW on April 26, 2011, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 26, 2011, 10:12:54 AM
I disagree with him, sometimes vehemently so, but I was happy to support him in 2008 and will again.

Why don't you like him? Is it because he doesn't support the crusades in the middle east?

I just dont like him or his nasty supporters, they are  blemish to the GOP, they conduct themsleves like goons..and I think they guy is a classless louse

I think this is total bunk, but the bolded part is hilarious, considering the fact that he's definitely attracting huge swaths of young, passionate voters to the GOP, which they seem to desperately need more and more nowadays.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #148 on: April 26, 2011, 03:02:04 PM »
Quote from: El Barto on April 26, 2011, 10:51:42 AM
Holy fuck.  Of all of your claims, many of which were pretty outlandish, calling Ron Paul an classless louse might be the topper.  You defend some real slimy bastards because they carry the GOP banner, and yet don't like the only guy in Washington who's a known pragmatist.  I'm really surprised by that.

yeah... I don't necessarily like the guy, but that's a bit much
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #149 on: April 26, 2011, 03:03:58 PM »
Quote from: EPICVIEW on April 26, 2011, 10:10:26 AM
Ron Paul is Toxic... I cant stand him ..
What are you talking about!?
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #150 on: April 26, 2011, 05:08:37 PM »
I think Paul also pigeon-holed himself too much. Not that many people will agree that every single issue can be traced back to either fiscal policy or the Constitution.

Will McCain try again?

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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #151 on: April 26, 2011, 05:17:22 PM »
Personally I think it would be better if a non native born American ran. I think we should get rid of the prerequisite that one has to be born here.


Let's not forget that one of the most famous leaders of the 20th century wasn't born in the country he ruled.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #152 on: April 26, 2011, 05:19:04 PM »
Adolf Hitler?
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #153 on: April 26, 2011, 05:19:43 PM »
Quote from: PlaysLikeMyung on April 26, 2011, 05:19:04 PM
Adolf Hitler?

Mentioning his name doesn't help the point I am trying to make and instead makes it look I was sarcastically arguing against what I am actually arguing for.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #154 on: April 26, 2011, 05:21:21 PM »
Well you can't deny he did a lot for his country, whatever else he did


And this coming from a Jew :P
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #155 on: April 26, 2011, 05:22:14 PM »
Quote from: PlaysLikeMyung on April 26, 2011, 05:21:21 PM
Well you can't deny he did a lot for his country, whatever else he did


And this coming from a Jew :P

But I seriously believe that the president shouldn't have to be born here.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #156 on: April 26, 2011, 05:34:59 PM »
That Harry chap seems popular.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #157 on: April 26, 2011, 05:36:23 PM »
Quote from: Adami on April 26, 2011, 05:17:22 PM
Personally I think it would be better if a non native born American ran. I think we should get rid of the prerequisite that one has to be born here.


Let's not forget that one of the most famous leaders of the 20th century wasn't born in the country he ruled.

Forgive me, but who?
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #158 on: April 26, 2011, 07:31:16 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on April 26, 2011, 05:08:37 PM
I think Paul also pigeon-holed himself too much. Not that many people will agree that every single issue can be traced back to either fiscal policy or the Constitution.

Will McCain try again?

rumborak

I'm feeling a bit this way, too. Did anyone see Ron Paul on Colbert the other night? He seems to have lost a bit of his charisma. In 2008, he would come out and talk about the war. His fiscal policy would always be there in the backdrop, but only his most dedicated followers probably knew or cared about it.

On Colbert last night, Ron Paul came out immediately talking about the evils of paper money. Right or not (I don't want to get into it here), he  just sort of comes across as a loon that way. Most people can't really take an idea that's so abstract and foreign to them very seriously, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2011, 08:07:17 PM »
Mint Romney.
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« Reply #160 on: April 26, 2011, 08:12:39 PM »
You know what I noticed about last night on Colbert? That SC agreed with Ron Paul on issues, didn't debate with he guy and finished the interview quickly. I was really excited to see that interview and after five minutes I said: YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING AND NOW IT'S OVER!

I blame them both on that.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #161 on: April 26, 2011, 08:13:44 PM »
Do you watch Colbert regularly?

That's pretty much the show!
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« Reply #162 on: April 26, 2011, 08:23:04 PM »
I was an avid fan four yeras ago until the show didn't appeal to me that much... but I have seen a lot of really good interviews coming out in the last segment.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #163 on: April 26, 2011, 08:23:59 PM »
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 26, 2011, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: rumborak on April 26, 2011, 05:08:37 PM
I think Paul also pigeon-holed himself too much. Not that many people will agree that every single issue can be traced back to either fiscal policy or the Constitution.

Will McCain try again?

rumborak

I'm feeling a bit this way, too. Did anyone see Ron Paul on Colbert the other night? He seems to have lost a bit of his charisma. In 2008, he would come out and talk about the war. His fiscal policy would always be there in the backdrop, but only his most dedicated followers probably knew or cared about it.

On Colbert last night, Ron Paul came out immediately talking about the evils of paper money. Right or not (I don't want to get into it here), he  just sort of comes across as a loon that way. Most people can't really take an idea that's so abstract and foreign to them very seriously, I'm afraid.

That's pretty disappointing. Not too surprising, but the Colbert Report seems like it would be a perfect opportunity for Paul to showcase his more liberal views.
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #164 on: April 26, 2011, 08:30:33 PM »
I liked that one campaign video back around 2008 urging everyone to vote for McCain to avoid an imminent terrorist attack that Obama's presidency would rein in.
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« Reply #165 on: April 26, 2011, 08:34:58 PM »
Quote from: sonatafanica on April 26, 2011, 08:30:33 PM
I liked that one campaign video back around 2008 urging everyone to vote for McCain to avoid an imminent terrorist attack that Obama's presidency would rein in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63h_v6uf0Ao
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« Reply #166 on: April 26, 2011, 09:13:10 PM »
Quote from: sonatafanica on April 26, 2011, 08:30:33 PM
I liked that one campaign video back around 2008 urging everyone to vote for McCain to avoid an imminent terrorist attack that Obama's presidency would rein in.

This is by far the best campaign ad ever. Listen to it with the lights down and deep bass headphones on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfkNEq1XioE
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #167 on: April 27, 2011, 07:32:23 AM »
Do I need 3D glasses for the next presidency?

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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #168 on: April 27, 2011, 08:21:28 AM »
Quote from: rumborak on April 27, 2011, 07:32:23 AM
Do I need 3D glasses for the next presidency?

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Well, at least 7.1 Surround System and the OST of Hans Zimmer to show how good of a patriot you are.
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« Reply #169 on: May 12, 2011, 09:41:42 PM »
And the guy's done before he even officially declares.

Ron Paul: I Would Not Have Ordered Bin Laden Raid

I'm kind of mixed on the whole thing.  I personally think the raid was kosher, although I don't get the seething hatred people had for the guy.  I also don't think that Ron Paul's unwillingness to violate Pakistan's sovereignty should be a deal-breaker.  I suspect that this is yet another instance where raw emotion is far more important than thoughtful consideration to the voters.  Fucking democracy. 
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« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2011, 08:46:48 AM »
Quote from: El Barto on May 12, 2011, 09:41:42 PM
And the guy's done before he even officially declares.

Ron Paul: I Would Not Have Ordered Bin Laden Raid

Was thinking the same. I mean, he just lost a lot of conservatives with that statement.

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« Reply #171 on: May 13, 2011, 11:10:19 AM »
I don't recall a Congressional declaration of war to invade Pakistan.
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« Reply #172 on: May 13, 2011, 11:52:45 AM »
Quote from: PraXis on May 13, 2011, 11:10:19 AM
I don't recall a Congressional declaration of war to invade Pakistan.
While I disagree about the importance of a congressional declaration of war, I get your point and actually agree with what you're implying.  Unfortunately, as I said earlier, nobody on either side of the aisle gives a damn about right or wrong when there's an emotional stake.  Ron Paul could make the greatest, most eloquent argument against taking action that's ever been given,  but the guy who says "fuck that, he needed to be dead so I had him killed" will win out every time.  People love logic and reason when it supports their view of things, but when it doesn't, they'll immediately fall back on whats "right."
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Re: And, it has begun
« Reply #173 on: May 13, 2011, 12:12:32 PM »
I think Obama had the choice of a) capture/kill bin Laden or b) wait for a better opportunity that might never come. Paul's comment completely disregards this aspect. I dunno, I find Paul's comment increasingly removed from reality tbh.

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« Reply #174 on: May 13, 2011, 01:05:38 PM »
Quote from: PraXis on May 13, 2011, 11:10:19 AM
I don't recall a Congressional declaration of war to invade Pakistan.

6 guys on a mission for one man is an invasion? Don't we regularly have service people in Pakistan anyways?
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