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Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« on: February 21, 2011, 11:50:22 AM »
According to a cnn.com report, helicopter gunships are opening fire on protesters.  The fact that a government would slaughter its own people is appalling, I hope the protesters can quickly oust Gadhafi and bring him to justice.  Going to teach...looking forward to your thoughts/opinions.
     

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 01:04:06 PM »
They were demonstrators in Harvard Square today for that, yeah. Appalling, to say the least, what's going on down there.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 01:05:10 PM »
Cambridge/Boston people are so hopeful sometimes. Those demonstrations confuse me every time because they accomplish absolutely nothing.

Also this news is pretty terrible.

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 01:08:14 PM »
Cambridge/Boston people are so hopeful sometimes. Those demonstrations confuse me every time because they accomplish absolutely nothing.

Dude, totally. I was standing there and thinking "what's the goal of this, other than informing people?". I really hope that they're not living in some delusional universe where they think their protesting amounts to any kind of pressure on the Gadhafi regime.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 01:22:27 PM »
Yeah, I never really believed the whole Moammar is insane thing until now.  He's facing a bigger problem though.  Two of his pilots defected this morning, flying their Mirage's to Malta, and I suspect they certainly won't be the last.   He's going to have to start using his fighters to secure his borders to keep people in.  He's also losing some ground troops.  You start asking your soldiers to kill civvies and it's lousy for morale. 

I really think he could have withstood this for a while, but now that he's turning it into a massacre, I'd say he's pretty much SOL and JWF. 
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 02:07:51 PM »
I always knew he was a "bad guy", but this is really disgusting. The protesters have some real balls though; the more get killed, the more they just continue to amass, it seems.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 05:15:44 PM »
So when does the US send troops in?

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 12:47:39 AM »
...that is seriously in consideration?

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 03:16:25 AM »
So when does the US send troops in?
Hopefully never.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 06:13:21 AM »
A few notes out of an article I just read.

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Nearly 300 people are reported to have been killed in continuing violence in the capital and across the north African country as demonstrations enter their second week.


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"What we are witnessing today is unimaginable. Warplanes and helicopters are indiscriminately bombing one area after another. There are many, many dead," Adel Mohamed Saleh said in a live broadcast.

"Anyone who moves, even if they are in their car, they will hit you."


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He said live fire was being used against protesters, and that foreigners had been hired to fight on behalf of the government.

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Two Turkish ships that were sent to evacuate citizens were not allowed to dock at Tripoli

The hiring of foreigners is was really makes me sick. The fact that someone could accept a job that pays you to kill total strangers really bothers me.



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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 08:15:41 AM »
A Libyan warship off the coast of Malta, OH SHIT! this might start a war.
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 08:22:08 AM »
A Libyan warship off the coast of Malta, OH SHIT! this might start a war.

Source please?!

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 08:29:11 AM »
A Libyan warship off the coast of Malta, OH SHIT! this might start a war.
The Libyan navy is a joke (like most of their armed forces).  The few assets they have are antiques and barely sea worthy.  When the Italians show up, they'll either defect or high-tail it back home. 
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 08:31:56 AM »
A Libyan warship off the coast of Malta, OH SHIT! this might start a war.

Source please?!

just reported live on al jazeera.
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2011, 08:34:35 AM »
damn it, I can't watch video in class.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2011, 08:38:27 AM »
Germany will be flying into Lybia to get people out.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2011, 08:45:19 AM »
the colonel who defected is ripping gaddafi, usa and europe a new one, he's really raging hard.


turkey is evacuating the 25K citizens, damn we have a lot of people there. ps. fuck the turkish pm, that hypocritical fuck.
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2011, 08:55:09 AM »
Gaddafi is such a tool. This speech is aweful. The people of Libya are going to go nuts. I don't see any chance of this guy stepping down willingly.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2011, 09:02:33 AM »
strong butthurt from gaddafi. he really needs an interior decorator.
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2011, 09:06:13 AM »
I built forts at the age of 6 that looked nicer than that place.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2011, 09:12:28 AM »
i think gaddafi is calling his people to form girl scouts.


gaddafi is outraged! gaddafi does not answer phone calls during speech! gaddafi raaaaaage!
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2011, 09:14:32 AM »
This guy is inviting a serious world of pain. He's wording it to make it sound like the ones protesting are at fault.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2011, 09:15:23 AM »
the location is well known no?? send in the drones!
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2011, 09:16:51 AM »
i think gaddafi is calling his people to form girl scouts.


gaddafi is outraged! gaddafi does not answer phone calls during speech! gaddafi raaaaaage!

gaddafi smaaaaasssshhhhhh!!!

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2011, 09:17:22 AM »
the location is well known no?? send in the drones!

Thats what I'm wating for. I just want to see the live video turn into a fire ball.


What has me confused is that he is telling people to go out into the streets and defend their city. The only thing they want to defend is themselves from this asshole. He also just said he hasn't yet ordered the use of live ammo. I guess the 300+ dead now are just a fluke. What kind of president refers to his people as rats?

Now he is saying the people should not be afraid to go out into the streets, the streets are safe....
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2011, 09:38:53 AM »
please. they are called greasy rats. very specific to the region.
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2011, 06:47:39 PM »
What has me confused is that he is telling people to go out into the streets and defend their city. The only thing they want to defend is themselves from this asshole. He also just said he hasn't yet ordered the use of live ammo. I guess the 300+ dead now are just a fluke. What kind of president refers to his people as rats?

Gosh it's so different indoors, I live here on rig-site with a lot of Arabs of all nationalities work and the discussion in the tea room is so different from the one here, nobody here is a least but surprised by the nut case reactions and behavior, I get indoors to talk to you guys and I'm back in the states where everybody thinks American allies are so sweet just because they're harmless to America, at least in Mubarak's case.
Don't get me wrong Chino, your perspective -and other good fellas here- is very refreshing and important to me, it reminds me that I've been taking these tyrants as a given immortal problem that commits atrocities and gets away with it on basis that are too regular to view them as "atrocities".
A week before the Libyan revolution started:

So... Algeria next?

It looks like it but I'd really like to see that crazy asshole Kadafi go first, but it seems he has it well under control in Libya, I was talking to a Libyan co-worker earlier and he said the people are too terrorized to act, when I told him so were we he said not anywhere near how bad they have it from their police and president secret service.
Kadafi is seriously insane, no exaggeration there, he is literally mentally unstable, in the 80's he used to make the local TV broadcast a still picture of his shoes when he's "unhappy with his people", he wrote something that he calls "The Green Book" which has nothing but quotations that doesn't make any sense and the quotes from this book are everywhere from sign boards to newspapers in Libya, I recall a couple saying "Kids are small now but then they will be large" and "If you have something then you neighbor doesn't own it".
In the few times foreign press has interviewed him the journalist usually just assumed it was the language barrier or the interpretor fault that makes Kadafi completely not understandable to them but he really does not make any sense, last I remember was Larry David when Kadafi was in NY for the UN thing last year and KI have never seen King more confused by answers of the interviewee than this, he thought the interpretor was weak but I understand what Kadafi is saying in Arabic and it simply doesn't make any sense.
He's been ruling Libya for 41 years according to the Libyan guy I was talking to earlier.

Now that guy I was talking to is in a state of deep depression and staying in the base camp, other Libyans are still working here on the rig-site but he hasn't heard from his younger brother in 2 days and the last time he spoke to his mom she told him she can't find him, she's too old and weak to go out and look for him in all this chaos, they have no other relatives.
Another Libyan said his brother-in-law told him that there were choppers emptying diesel tanks on groups of protesters to spread fires faster once shots has been fired, he saw people getting burned alive.
I saw the speech with them earlier, obviously we knew it was gonna be non-sense, you have pointed out here that he has offended his people in his speech, the Libyans watching the speech didn't seem offended at all, they know he's insane and too used to this to get offended or even really notice it, it's a much worse situation than we ever had in Egypt.
I think one of the biggest problem now remains the successful black-out of the media.
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2011, 07:36:42 PM »
So let's get this straight... HOW THE HELL DO YOU WRITE HIS NAME?

We've got:
-Gadhafi
-Gaddafi
-Kadafi
-Qaddafi
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2011, 07:41:18 PM »
I'd go for FuckFace but his name is pronounced Kazzafi in Arabic, I dunno why the Western media decided to turn the zee sound to a dee sound but this has been agreed upon since he ever started making the news in the 70's so it's hard to find out heh
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2011, 07:41:18 PM »
I like Gaddafi, it's the most American.

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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2011, 07:44:05 PM »
So let's get this straight... HOW THE HELL DO YOU WRITE HIS NAME?

We've got:
-Gadhafi
-Gaddafi
-Kadafi
-Qaddafi
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2011, 07:48:29 PM »
Whoa it's weird on the eyes to see Arabic on DTF heh
To explain more: most Arabic countires -excluding Egypt- pronounce the K sound as G (like in "go") in their slang, so Kadafi would be the official way to say it, Gaddafi the street way.
That's aside from the Western media choice to replace the zee with a dee like I said in the previous post.
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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2011, 07:53:38 PM »
To be fair, Metty, nobody here really considered Moammar an ally.  He seemed to have settled down a bit over the last 10 years or so, but I don't think he ever reached friend status. 

That said, I'm surprised by how bat-shit insane the guy appears to be.  Here, he's normally just portrayed as highly eccentric. 
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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2011, 08:19:18 PM »
Yeah he's too crazy to actually be considered evil, did you see the video he released a few hours before his speech? just 15 seconds of him sitting in a small China town kinda car with an umbrella, he said he agreed to that video to let people know he's still in Tripoli and not Venezuela then the guy holding the mic said something about the umbrella to which Moammar replied "It's for the dogs, protection from these dogs, bye now", I know the current events are tragic but I laughed a lot cause he seemed dead serious about it.
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Re: Libyans protest, Gadhafi orders troops to open fire
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2011, 08:50:48 PM »
A Libyan warship off the coast of Malta, OH SHIT! this might start a war.
Is this still a card in play in this situation?
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