david prater =/

[Perpetual Change]

Everyone else is NOT doing it.  Some of the new cds I have gotten this year sound terrific, and do not sound compressed or too loud at all. 

Oddly enough- though I do love Porcupine Tree- I feel just as "tired" by the time I get to Wedding Nails as I do listening to any louder albums.

[tri.ad]

I do hate the loudness war personally, and I wish DT wouldn't compress the hell out of their albums.  However, it's true that pretty much everyone else is doing it as well.   

Everyone else is NOT doing it.  Some of the new cds I have gotten this year sound terrific, and do not sound compressed or too loud at all. 

I don't know whether you count U2's No Line On The Horizon into the "list of exceptions" so to speak, but some songs sound awfully compressed on there.

And I'm really interested how BCASL will sound. I hope for a wide dynamic range and a secure space for each instrument.

[KevShmev]

I do hate the loudness war personally, and I wish DT wouldn't compress the hell out of their albums.  However, it's true that pretty much everyone else is doing it as well.   

Everyone else is NOT doing it.  Some of the new cds I have gotten this year sound terrific, and do not sound compressed or too loud at all. 

I don't know whether you count U2's No Line On The Horizon into the "list of exceptions" so to speak, but some songs sound awfully compressed on there.

I do not.  That's a good record, but it definitely suffers from too much compression at times.

One example of what I am talking about it is the new Dave Matthews Band record.  It sounds fantastic.  Everything is crystal clear, and there is plenty of room for all of the instruments to breathe; the drums, in particular, sound out of this world great.

The new Devin Townsend and OSI records also sound terrific.

[tri.ad]

I'm very interested in how the new Maiden album is going to sound. I get the feeling that the no-mastering direction they've chosen was and is received very well, so I can see them carrying on this way in that matter.

[BlobVanDam]

I'm very interested in how the new Maiden album is going to sound. I get the feeling that the no-mastering direction they've chosen was and is received very well, so I can see them carrying on this way in that matter.

Not mastered? I'd love to hear that. I've always wondered if a well mixed album really even needs mastering, since it's mostly just compressing the life out of it now. And hearing Death Magnetic what I assume is unmastered from GH3 sounds great, even if it is a bit raw. But it sure sounds a crapload better than the shit they put on the CD.

[tri.ad]

A Matter Of Life And Death sounds a little bit raw, but otherwise, it's a very great sounding album (especially after the sonic abomination called Dance Of Death). Kind of proof that mastering isn't always necessary.

[Nick]

A Matter Of Life And Death sounds a little bit raw, but otherwise, it's a very great sounding album (especially after the sonic abomination called Dance Of Death). Kind of proof that mastering isn't always necessary.

Dance of Death sounds better than A Matter of Life and Death, no question in my opinion.

[tri.ad]

The only Maiden album sounding as bad as DoD is Virtual XI. Dammit, the sound of that album pisses me off.

[AcidLameLTE]

It's a pity Dance of Death had much better songs than A Matter Of Life And Death

[Super Dude]

Well glad the new album will ( ) sound a lot better in that regard then.

Damn you and your ability to travel through time and listen to albums that will be out in the future!  DAAAAAAAAAMN YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU!!!!!!!

[Samsara]

My very late .02.

First - Mr. Prater, coming up with a fake ID and posting stuff like you are someone else to hide your identity is just as childish as anything you complained about regarding Mike Portnoy.  All you did by posting what you did (and people then finding out it was you) was look like an immature, unprofessional and bitter record producer.  There are better and more honest ways to give your opinion.

Second - I never thought it was a big deal (the triggered stuff) anyway.  I've listened to I&W countless times both before and after I found out what "triggering" a snare drum sound was, and frankly, the bottom line to me is, the record sounds good.

Third - The issue in question happened 17 years ago.  both Mike Portnoy and David Prater should act like adults and pick up the telephone, or go have dinner and bury the hatchet.  Once done, announce it.  Then the fans that pick on this issue to kiss MP's ass will die down, because their hero washed his hands of the issue.

The above solves the issues.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Well glad the new album will ( ) sound a lot better in that regard then.

I wouldn't say that. 

[BlobVanDam]

Then you'd be wrong.

[SnakeEyes]

Then you'd be wrong.

Well, an opinion is never wrong, just subjective. 

[BlobVanDam]

Unless it's something that can be objectively measured, like compression on a waveform

[SnakeEyes]

Unless it's something that can be objectively measured, like compression on a waveform

No, human beings have ears.  Nothing beats having those things. 

[BlobVanDam]

Well we're talking about mastering compression, so it is something that can easily be measured. And my ears tell me it sounds fantastic. That's all the opinion and fact I need on the matter

[Super Dude]

their hero washed his hands of the issue.

And when exactly has that ever happened?

[SnakeEyes]

And my ears tell me it sounds fantastic. That's all the opinion and fact I need on the matter

Okay.  And, I wish you the best of luck with that. 

[walmartsecurity]

Maybe Prater wouldn't have been so easily found out if his username wasn't in is myspace profile.

David Prater general info:
Sounds Like - Havona

If you're going to create a fake identification just to *cough* "heal" your reputation, on a fan forum no less, make sure you cover up your tracks xD

Honestly though, a well known producer such as yourself doesn't need to reduce himself to hiding behind an alter-ego and trying to tell his side of the story to the fans from a "3rd party" point of view. If you were honest, you wouldn't have lost as much credibility as you have over the last few pages..

That's like an immature kid making a new account just to back his main accounts point in a discussion, it's just childish.

[BlobVanDam]

And my ears tell me it sounds fantastic. That's all the opinion and fact I need on the matter

Okay.  And, I wish you the best of luck with that. 

No luck involved

[icysk8r]

Nevertheless, it must be stated that without my involvement, the songs as the public has come to know them wouldn't exist. Including all the songs featured on this page, I've literally produced, engineered, mixed and performed on more records than I can remember.

wow, from the way he talks about himself on his myspace, he is a total dick.  I actually felt bad for him for a moment because he created an account just because he was getting talked about.  And I feel if I was in the situation, I would be sad.  So I actually felt bad for the man.  But now that i read this, it makes it a lot easier to not like him.  I am not attacking him, I mean, ou could take it that way, but I am just saying how I feel based on his myspace bio.

[orcus116]

Why do you guys care? He hasn't posted in a few days.

[SnakeEyes]

Nor will he ever again because of the way people have treated him in this thread. 

[icysk8r]

Why do you guys care? He hasn't posted in a few days.

Because after re-reading the thread I started to feel bad for him.

[Nick]

Nor will he ever again because of the way people have treated him in this thread. 

Really? I mean really?

The man created an account, pretended to be an important, but unbiased third party in order to throw insults at Mike Portnoy (which any of us could have banned him for, if we wished), and play up himself as the second coming of Jesus.

Say what you will about Prater's musical abilities, his "contributions" to this thread have shown him to be untrustworthy, deceitful, and venomous at best.

[emindead]

Venomous.

[orcus116]

Granted I do find it odd that someone still has that particular attitude towards something that happened 17 years ago I don't disapprove of Prater speaking his mind unedited after us talking about him for quite some time. I'm just glad we have the other side of the argument in the same manner Portnoy usually speaks about people like Prater, granted I haven't read Lifting Shadows so I dunno about any of the interviews that went on. That being said he really could've picked a better manner of doing it but I'm not gonna care enough to pretend I pity the man.

[SnakeEyes]

Really? I mean really?

The man created an account, pretended to be an important, but unbiased third party in order to throw insults at Mike Portnoy (which any of us could have banned him for, if we wished), and play up himself as the second coming of Jesus.

Say what you will about Prater's musical abilities, his "contributions" to this thread have shown him to be untrustworthy, deceitful, and venomous at best.

Yes, really.  Say what you want about him, but he IS responsible for making Images & Words and, for that alone, he deserves our respect in my opinion. 

[sneakyblueberry]

I cant believe he actually posted in this thread.  The internet has been good to us.

[Nick]

Really? I mean really?

The man created an account, pretended to be an important, but unbiased third party in order to throw insults at Mike Portnoy (which any of us could have banned him for, if we wished), and play up himself as the second coming of Jesus.

Say what you will about Prater's musical abilities, his "contributions" to this thread have shown him to be untrustworthy, deceitful, and venomous at best.

Yes, really.  Say what you want about him, but he IS responsible for making Images & Words and, for that alone, he deserves our respect in my opinion.  

Yes, he had my respect for, in the most part, making Images and ACoS sound as amazing as they are. Then by his actions in this thread he lost my respect.

Also, I find it humorous how some people think we owe this man so much for producing two albums, but so many of those some people will not show that same courtesy to members of the band that have contributed to every album.

[icysk8r]

Really? I mean really?

The man created an account, pretended to be an important, but unbiased third party in order to throw insults at Mike Portnoy (which any of us could have banned him for, if we wished), and play up himself as the second coming of Jesus.

Say what you will about Prater's musical abilities, his "contributions" to this thread have shown him to be untrustworthy, deceitful, and venomous at best.

Yes, really.  Say what you want about him, but he IS responsible for making Images & Words and, for that alone, he deserves our respect in my opinion. 

yes, because according to him...  Images and words and many other albums for various bands would not have never happened if it weren't for him.   

[orcus116]

Certain elements wouldn't have, definitely. Two distinct instances where he helped albums was (1) the solo at 7:10 in Learning To Live which Petrucci wanted to scrap because he didn't like it but Prater made him keep it in and it's one of the best parts of the song/album and (2) the Another World solo in ACOS which Petrucci thought was not technical enough but Prater made him keep it in and it's one of my favorite parts of that song.

[Nick]

I want to clarify, I personally don't like the triggered snare on Images and Words, but otherwise I think that album, and A Change of Seasons are phenomenal sounding recordings. However, that is now an oft discussed side issue in what has become an abysmal showing of personal antics on the part of Mr. Prater.

I would ask Mr. Prater, if he continues to read this thread, to stop stroking his ego, fully admit his identity, confessing to his unreasonable and unnecessary deceit, and then discuss this matter in an open and fair environment.

[ReaPsTA]

I want to clarify, I personally don't like the triggered snare on Images and Words, but otherwise I think that album, and A Change of Seasons are phenomenal sounding recordings. However, that is now an oft discussed side issue in what has become an abysmal showing of personal antics on the part of Mr. Prater.

I would ask Mr. Prater, if he continues to read this thread, to stop stroking his ego, fully admit his identity, confessing to his unreasonable and unnecessary deceit, and then discuss this matter in an open and fair environment.

I hate to say this to a mod, but seriously, you sound like a politician trying to parent someone who's older and has done way more with his life than him. I'm not even saying Prater didn't pull a dick move, but just say it. There's no reason to act like it's imperative everyone who posts or has posted at this board read what you wrote, lest their moral centers be corrupted until the end of time.