david prater =/

[icysk8r]

I prefer the triggered snare to the natural drum, actually. My be because I'm used to it, but it just sounds better to my ear.

If Portnoy wanted to have a natural drum so much, he could have just told Prater to fuck off. The band was Prater's boss, not the other way around.

Blob, I'm not getting specifics, and he may have only complained as you described. The point is that Portnoy has a huge ego, which could be a bad or good thing.

And I agree with orcus, you don't need to become so defensive.

im pretty sure he kinda did tell him to fuck off
correct me if im wrong
but they fought a lot
from what i heard

[orcus116]

You should start posting in iambic pentameter. That way your post formatting might make a little more sense.

[bosk1]

I prefer pentambic iameter myself.

[ResultsMayVary]

I prefer the triggered snare to the natural drum, actually. My be because I'm used to it, but it just sounds better to my ear.

If Portnoy wanted to have a natural drum so much, he could have just told Prater to fuck off. The band was Prater's boss, not the other way around.

Blob, I'm not getting specifics, and he may have only complained as you described. The point is that Portnoy has a huge ego, which could be a bad or good thing.

And I agree with orcus, you don't need to become so defensive.

im pretty sure he kinda did tell him to fuck off
correct me if im wrong
but they fought a lot
from what i heard

In "Lifting Shadows" by Rich Wilson, Wilson accounts for the fact that Portnoy and Prater did not agree with each other at all and that Moore did not get along with Prater as well. But that was a personality issue, not like the triggered snare and bass drums that got Prater and Portnoy going.

[LudwigVan]

haiku? 

[Sigz]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

[tri.ad]

Not me.

[BlobVanDam]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

I remember that guy. Was he the guy asking for someone to buy him CiM or something to that effect?

[Fuzzboy]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

"The Firky" or something like that.

[icysk8r]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

what happened?
please tell me, i wasnt a member then, and i just want to know what happened
=D

[Sigz]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

what happened?
please tell me, i wasnt a member then, and i just want to know what happened
=D

Some egyptian guy
typed short lines
like this

argued about egypt
in p/r
insulted someone
got banned

many lulz were had

[j]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

what happened?
please tell me, i wasnt a member then, and i just want to know what happened
=D

Some egyptian guy
typed short lines
like this

argued about egypt
in p/r
insulted someone
got banned

many lulz were had

 

This is an excellent summary.

-J

[setrataeso]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

what happened?
please tell me, i wasnt a member then, and i just want to know what happened
=D

Some egyptian guy
typed short lines
like this

argued about egypt
in p/r
insulted someone
got banned

many lulz were had

 

This is an excellent summary.

-J

Don't
you
mean
:

This
is
an
excellent
summary.

-
J

[TheOutlawXanadu]

I think that you're coming off badly in all this questioning for evidence, though. Like, didn't you ask Rumby to go back and find exact quotes from the DT book to prove what he was saying? You're basically telling everyone you're arguing with that their word is worth nothing at face value. I could totally understand if, for the sake of fair discussion, if someone said "MP always overreacts! He's bashed so many people!" if you wanted examples, but when someone says, "In the DT book, MP bashed David Prater a lot when he probably didn't need to", and you suddenly want exact quotes to prove it, it's a little... I don't know... disrespectful? Unreasonable maybe?

Coming of badly? Is asking for proof from the very source of information people are discussing here unreasonable?
Well I was more interested in MP's comments before the book. You'll have to excuse me for not taking certain people's word when a few of them are notorious for exaggerating the facts when MP is concerned (I won't go into details there), but the main issue I'm addressing is people saying MP hasn't shut up about this and always brings it up without reason. And what I ask is, book aside, had he made any comment regarding Prater? I found one post on his forum about Prater in a thread about Prater, which was about the book which we can count as bringing it up without need (even if it was in an existing thread), and he made a passing comment on LiT that he doesn't like the triggered snare, and doesn't mention Prater's name at all as far as i recall. So that leaves a 13+ year gap of silence, then the book, then one mention to the book.
Since I don't know what MP or Prater said in the book, that really leaves nothing.

When you start asking for proof as specific as exact quotes from a huge book, yes, I think that it does start to look bad because you're saying that certain people's words are shit. If you think that some people have lost the right to be believed, I guess that's understandable, but still, this is an internet forum, not an interrogation.

I understand that, but I'm really not asking much. People make a bold claim, I question it, they back it up. This is how discussion works. I'm not interrogating, even some basic paraphrasing of the general gist of what MP said in the book would be nice (and Prater for that matter). I think it starts to look bad if people start accusing me because I ask for some backup to their argument of MP never shutting up about Prater, which is as of yet pretty dubious considering I've seen no mention of MP bad-mouthing Prater other than the book. I know this is only a forum, but still.........

Accusing you of what? Of defending MP all the time?

[Pierced Brosnan]

I prefer the triggered snare to the natural drum, actually. My be because I'm used to it, but it just sounds better to my ear.

If Portnoy wanted to have a natural drum so much, he could have just told Prater to fuck off. The band was Prater's boss, not the other way around.

Blob, I'm not getting specifics, and he may have only complained as you described. The point is that Portnoy has a huge ego, which could be a bad or good thing.

And I agree with orcus, you don't need to become so defensive.

im pretty sure he kinda did tell him to fuck off
correct me if im wrong
but they fought a lot
from what i heard

In "Lifting Shadows" by Rich Wilson, Wilson accounts for the fact that Portnoy and Prater did not agree with each other at all and that Moore did not get along with Prater as well. But that was a personality issue, not like the triggered snare and bass drums that got Prater and Portnoy going.

James and Prater also nearly got in a fist fight during ACOS

[icysk8r]

Reminds me of that egyptian guy who got banned a while back.

no one dare disrespect egypt again
anyone
ever

It makes me sad that the post was lost...

what happened?
please tell me, i wasnt a member then, and i just want to know what happened
=D

Some egyptian guy
typed short lines
like this

argued about egypt
in p/r
insulted someone
got banned

many lulz were had

lol
i type like that sometimes
idk why
i just dont like typing a paragraph because it looks like too much to read.
but i dont insult people
what did he saty specifically to get banned?

[icysk8r]

I prefer the triggered snare to the natural drum, actually. My be because I'm used to it, but it just sounds better to my ear.

If Portnoy wanted to have a natural drum so much, he could have just told Prater to fuck off. The band was Prater's boss, not the other way around.

Blob, I'm not getting specifics, and he may have only complained as you described. The point is that Portnoy has a huge ego, which could be a bad or good thing.

And I agree with orcus, you don't need to become so defensive.

im pretty sure he kinda did tell him to fuck off
correct me if im wrong
but they fought a lot
from what i heard

In "Lifting Shadows" by Rich Wilson, Wilson accounts for the fact that Portnoy and Prater did not agree with each other at all and that Moore did not get along with Prater as well. But that was a personality issue, not like the triggered snare and bass drums that got Prater and Portnoy going.

James and Prater also nearly got in a fist fight during ACOS

really?

[ResultsMayVary]

^ Yea, really and that book is such a fun read. I sometimes can't believe the stuff they did. Like the time Portnoy almost fought a security guard because he stole the stick out of mid-air from a girl he was tossing it too. Hilarious

[icysk8r]

^ Yea, really and that book is such a fun read. I sometimes can't believe the stuff they did. Like the time Portnoy almost fought a security guard because he stole the stick out of mid-air from a girl he was tossing it too. Hilarious

lol
this is slightly off topic, but i just dont think it can top motley crue: the dirt.
i can see dt being ok
but noone can top motley crue, not even zepplin imo

[axeman90210]

^ Yea, really and that book is such a fun read. I sometimes can't believe the stuff they did. Like the time Portnoy almost fought a security guard because he stole the stick out of mid-air from a girl he was tossing it too. Hilarious

lol
this is slightly off topic, but i just dont think it can top motley crue: the dirt.
i can see dt being ok
but noone can top motley crue, not even zepplin imo

idk dude, evidently Zeppelin violated a girl with a fish

[icysk8r]

^ Yea, really and that book is such a fun read. I sometimes can't believe the stuff they did. Like the time Portnoy almost fought a security guard because he stole the stick out of mid-air from a girl he was tossing it too. Hilarious

lol
this is slightly off topic, but i just dont think it can top motley crue: the dirt.
i can see dt being ok
but noone can top motley crue, not even zepplin imo

idk dude, evidently Zeppelin violated a girl with a fish

delete this if it is too inappropriate...
but
motley crue would stand there, and have girls crawl on their hands and knees in cat suits while they smiled in their hands and fed it to them...
many more...
its a good read

[hefdaddy42]

^ Yea, really and that book is such a fun read. I sometimes can't believe the stuff they did. Like the time Portnoy almost fought a security guard because he stole the stick out of mid-air from a girl he was tossing it too. Hilarious

lol
this is slightly off topic, but i just dont think it can top motley crue: the dirt.
i can see dt being ok
but noone can top motley crue, not even zepplin imo

idk dude, evidently Zeppelin violated a girl with a fish

Well, his time as a mod is definitely short-lived when bosky hears of this.

[antigoon]

[Nick]

idk, my bff Jill?

[axeman90210]

idk, my bff Jill?

*slap*

[setrataeso]

^ Yea, really and that book is such a fun read. I sometimes can't believe the stuff they did. Like the time Portnoy almost fought a security guard because he stole the stick out of mid-air from a girl he was tossing it too. Hilarious

lol
this is slightly off topic, but i just dont think it can top motley crue: the dirt.
i can see dt being ok
but noone can top motley crue, not even zepplin imo

idk dude, evidently Zeppelin violated a girl with a fish

delete this if it is too inappropriate...
but
motley crue would stand there, and have girls crawl on their hands and knees in cat suits while they smiled in their hands and fed it to them...
many more...
its a good read

I find this offensive and inappropriate!
DELETE IT! NAO!

[icysk8r]

 

[Infinite Cactus]

I think David Prater(from what I can tell,) is a bit crazy to say the least. It really seemed like he was at odds with almost everyone in the band at one time. With that being said, I still love the production on Images in Words. Of course 9/10 I prefer natural drums but I fell in love with the album based on the music itself. I'm so used to it now that it would be wierd for me to hear it without the triggered drums. In reality, the drums sound is a none issue for me. The real issue is the fact that Prater just seems like a dick bag in general.

[faemir]

After reading the biography he seemed to be the type of guy who could mix a great sounding album, but wasn't one who would get on with the band. I think that's the core issue - I would rather the band have an enjoyable recording session than having a better produced album - it's not like if someone else was producer it would suddenly sound awful.

[emindead]

All I can say is that I love not to have a trained ear to notice the difference between the triggered and real drum sound.

Oh, and READ THE BOOK!!!

[ResultsMayVary]

All I can say is that I love not to have a trained ear to notice the difference between the triggered and real drum sound.

Oh, and READ THE BOOK!!!

Well said.

[Adami]

Just about every metal band has triggered drums.

The triggered snare sounds a bit silly.

However the remixes, most likely post-triggered every single drum. Yet no one is complaining about that.

[Perpetual Change]

Just about every metal band has triggered drums.

The triggered snare sounds a bit silly.

However the remixes, most likely post-triggered every single drum. Yet no one is complaining about that.

Because it doesn't sound like a the drum sound on a casio keyboard!?

[Adami]

Just about every metal band has triggered drums.

The triggered snare sounds a bit silly.

However the remixes, most likely post-triggered every single drum. Yet no one is complaining about that.

Because it doesn't sound like a the drum sound on a casio keyboard!?

The sound itself is fine. It just lacks dynamics.

[havona]

It is an absolute fact that the issue of Prater triggering the snare sample was never a problem for anyone from the band, record label or band management during the entire DT Atco demos/IAW recording process.  I was there and I saw the whole thing from start to finish.  Prater had produced, engineered and mixed 3 songs for Derek Oliver (Atco demos) using the exact same kick and snare sample.  Furthermore, no one complained about anything until long after IAW was released.  Remember, in 1991, there were no computers such as Pro-Tools, Logic or Cubase.  These recordings took place at least 6 years before anything like that was possible.  Today, if you want to use a drummer's natural drum sound you can do so in a drastically less problematic manner than with what Prater had to work with.  Considering the record was made at all (much less sounding as good as it does) still blows my mind.[/color]