Author Topic: david prater =/ (Read 111793 times)

icysk8r · « **on:** April 28, 2009, 05:49:43 PM »

personally, i hate him...
i just dont like what he did with the album.
he triggered mikes drums way too much...
and he also overdubbed acoustic guitar with electric, and that is impossible to play for real...
its just annoying
mike portnoy doesnt like what he did either
and he was pissed that he fucked with his drums so much.
i am too
i just dont like it at all

vote and discuss your side

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2009, 05:51:22 PM »

Well, yes. He triggered the snare, but he created DT's biggest album. So...I don't think much of that shit he gets from you is quite deserved.

Nick · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2009, 05:53:56 PM »

I like him and loathe him. On one hand I think the triggering on Images and Words was a big big mistake. On the other hand with that aside, he made Images and Words sound fantastic, and later made A Change of Seasons sound fantastic.

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2009, 05:56:10 PM »

For the millionth time: the triggered snare isn't that bad.

icysk8r · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2009, 05:57:21 PM »

Quote from: Nick on April 28, 2009, 05:53:56 PM

I like him and loathe him. On one hand I think the triggering on Images and Words was a big big mistake. On the other hand with that aside, he made Images and Words sound fantastic, and later made A Change of Seasons sound fantastic.

and also triggered drum parts there as well
=/

i just give him so much shit because i like it to sound like it would if they were playing it for you.
i mean, i understand the vocals need tuned and stuff, that is fine, but with the drum stuff, thats impossible to do...
i dont like impossibility in my songs, but that is just me
i love the albums
hate the triggered sounds

icysk8r · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2009, 05:59:04 PM »

Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 05:56:10 PM

For the millionth time: the triggered snare isn't that bad.

so you think 7:23 to 8:03 of metropolis part 1 isnt bad?
that is one of many examples

setrataeso · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:00:02 PM »

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 05:57:21 PM

Quote from: Nick on April 28, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
I like him and loathe him. On one hand I think the triggering on Images and Words was a big big mistake. On the other hand with that aside, he made Images and Words sound fantastic, and later made A Change of Seasons sound fantastic.
and also triggered drum parts there as well
=/

i just give him so much shit because i like it to sound like it would if they were playing it for you.
i mean, i understand the vocals need tuned and stuff, that is fine, but with the drum stuff, thats impossible to do...
i dont like impossibility in my songs, but that is just me
i love the albums
hate the triggered sounds

$:\$
Yeah we got that when you said it the first time.

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:05:23 PM »

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 05:59:04 PM

Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
For the millionth time: the triggered snare isn't that bad.
so you think 7:23 to 8:03 of metropolis part 1 isnt bad?
that is one of many examples

It doesn't bother me. Is it really that difficult to believe?

icysk8r · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:06:53 PM »

Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
For the millionth time: the triggered snare isn't that bad.
so you think 7:23 to 8:03 of metropolis part 1 isnt bad?
that is one of many examples
It doesn't bother me. Is it really that difficult to believe?

my dad asked mp himself how to play it
mp said a lot of the snares are triggered and therefor it is impossible to play lie the album

icysk8r · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:08:12 PM »

Quote from: setrataeso on April 28, 2009, 06:00:02 PM

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 05:57:21 PM
Quote from: Nick on April 28, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
I like him and loathe him. On one hand I think the triggering on Images and Words was a big big mistake. On the other hand with that aside, he made Images and Words sound fantastic, and later made A Change of Seasons sound fantastic.
and also triggered drum parts there as well
=/

i just give him so much shit because i like it to sound like it would if they were playing it for you.
i mean, i understand the vocals need tuned and stuff, that is fine, but with the drum stuff, thats impossible to do...
i dont like impossibility in my songs, but that is just me
i love the albums
hate the triggered sounds

$:\$
Yeah we got that when you said it the first time.

no need to get mean
if you dont like what im saying
dont reply to the thread

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:09:40 PM »

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 06:06:53 PM

Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
For the millionth time: the triggered snare isn't that bad.
so you think 7:23 to 8:03 of metropolis part 1 isnt bad?
that is one of many examples
It doesn't bother me. Is it really that difficult to believe?
my dad asked mp himself how to play it
mp said a lot of the snares are triggered and therefor it is impossible to play lie the album

So?

TAC · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:10:31 PM »

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 28, 2009, 05:51:22 PM

Well, yes. He triggered the snare, but he created DT's biggest album. So...I don't think much of that shit he gets from you is quite deserved.

Right on DL!

I got I&W damn near its release date, and I NEVER had a problem with it. It's the best album I HAVE EVER heard. Much too much has been made of this trigger thing.

icysk8r · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:12:30 PM »

Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 06:09:40 PM

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 06:06:53 PM
Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
For the millionth time: the triggered snare isn't that bad.
so you think 7:23 to 8:03 of metropolis part 1 isnt bad?
that is one of many examples
It doesn't bother me. Is it really that difficult to believe?
my dad asked mp himself how to play it
mp said a lot of the snares are triggered and therefor it is impossible to play lie the album
So?

maybe if you were a drummer you would understand

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:14:12 PM »

I play drums (not amazingly). You're making too big a deal out of this.

orcus116 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:16:03 PM »

He forced JP to keep amazing solos that JP was ready to throw out cause they "weren't flashy enough". The one in Learning To Live starting at 7:10 and the Another World solo comes to mind. That gives him points in my book.

icysk8r · « **Reply #15 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:20:01 PM »

Quote from: orcus116 on April 28, 2009, 06:16:03 PM

He forced JP to keep amazing solos that JP was ready to throw out cause they "weren't flashy enough". The one in Learning To Live starting at 7:10 and the Another World solo comes to mind. That gives him points in my book.

and overdubbed acoustic and electric on another day

orcus116 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:21:13 PM »

Who fucking cares? Siamese Dreams has tons of overdubs and does that mean Butch Vig is a terrible producer because Smashing Pumpkins can't have 20-30 guitarists on stage?

icysk8r · « **Reply #17 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:22:13 PM »

Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 06:14:12 PM

I play drums (not amazingly). You're making too big a deal out of this.

all i am doing is stating my opinion
next person who argues with me im just going to close the thread
because the thread didnt say
"argue with icysk8r"
it said "vote and discuss your side"
all i am doing is giving my point of view on the album
so dont argue
lets keep dtf a friendly place like it usually is...

bosk1 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:24:17 PM »

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 06:22:13 PM

because the thread didnt say
"argue with icysk8r"
it said "vote and discuss your side"

People are trying to discuss their side, but you are not allowing for any opinion that differs from yours.

EDIT: And you don't need to report the same post 4 times. Once is enough.

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #19 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:26:33 PM »

I'm sorry icysk8r but do you react this badly to everything?

We're trying to give our opinion but you pretty much say we're wrong every time.

icysk8r · « **Reply #20 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:28:01 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on April 28, 2009, 06:24:17 PM

Quote from: icysk8r on April 28, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
because the thread didnt say
"argue with icysk8r"
it said "vote and discuss your side"

People are trying to discuss their side, but you are not allowing for any opinion that differs from yours.

EDIT: And you don't need to report the same post 4 times. Once is enough.

sorry i didnt mean to do it 4 times, my computer froze so it clicked a few time
and i would appreciate if people would just state their side
not say
"who fucking cares"
and stuff like that

icysk8r · « **Reply #21 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:29:52 PM »

Quote from: acidrainlte on April 28, 2009, 06:26:33 PM

I'm sorry icysk8r but do you react this badly to everything?

We're trying to give our opinion but you pretty much say we're wrong every time.

sorry
i was kinda pissed because i was playing metropolis part 1
and was getting mad i couldnt do the one part because it was overdubbed
so i was just venting i guess
you guys can say what you want now, i dont care,
i guess i was just over reacting a little
sorry,
-icysk8r

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #22 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:31:07 PM »

It's cool man. Just make sure you vent your anger at Nick next time. He deserves it.

bosk1 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:33:13 PM »

And, for the record, acidrainlite is the only person in the world who likes triggered drums. He's strange. And he has a very unfortunate real name. But just because the rest of us hate the drums doesn't mean we hate Prater altogether.

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #24 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:34:57 PM »

I didn't say I liked them. More indifferent than anything.

And dammit bosk, accept my friend request on Facebook.

bosk1 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:37:34 PM »

No. I am frightened.

popol · « **Reply #26 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:40:00 PM »

I don't know anything about that guy except that he produced I&W and ACOS and had MP's drums triggered.

I don't like the triggered sound but it won't stop me from listening to the album.

But as a whole, I absolutely don't like the production on images and words. It's by far the cheesiest sounding DT album.

Just compare the difference in sound between Images and Awake. And compare Awake to ACOS and Awake sounds so much better.

I also have no idea what was David Prater's input on ACOS, but the studio version sounds so weak compared to the live version on Live Scenes and compared to the other bits played on OiaLT.

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #27 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:40:31 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on April 28, 2009, 06:37:34 PM

No. I am frightened.

You accepted James' friend request

Edit: Dammit bosk

rumborak · « **Reply #28 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:41:46 PM »

The whole "triggered snare" thing is nothing but an ego war. MP has a huge ego, and so does Prater. Problem is, Prater is also a brilliant producer. So, MP can't live with the fact that the guy who defied him constantly in the studio, at the same time delivered DT's most beloved album. So, he uses his media outlet to take shots at Prater for something as completely asinine as a triggered snare.
Point in case, Prater apparently also triggered drums in ACOS. Only that MP never noticed.

rumborak

Sigz · « **Reply #29 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:57:41 PM »

...

I always liked the snare on I&W...

edit: what's impossible about the part 7:23 - 8:03 on metropolis?

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #30 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:02:42 PM »

Quote from: Sigz on April 28, 2009, 06:57:41 PM

...

I always liked the snare on I&W...

edit: what's impossible about the part 7:23 - 8:03 on metropolis?

I know, I always thought that I&W had a cool drum sound. It stayed where it belonged, in the background, not clouding up the atmosphere.

emindead · « **Reply #31 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:04:29 PM »

Quote from: rumborak on April 28, 2009, 06:41:46 PM

The whole "triggered snare" thing is nothing but an ego war. MP has a huge ego, and so does Prater. Problem is, Prater is also a brilliant producer. So, MP can't live with the fact that the guy who defied him constantly in the studio, at the same time delivered DT's most beloved album. So, he uses his media outlet to take shots at Prater for something as completely asinine as a triggered snare.
Point in case, Prater apparently also triggered drums in ACOS. Only that MP never noticed.

rumborak

Absolutely this. It's no coincidence that Prater has produced DT's finest works.

emindead · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:04:58 PM »

I'm no drummer, so anyone can explain to me why it's impossible to play it live?

Olibu · « **Reply #33 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:09:59 PM »

Quote from: Ultimetalhead on April 28, 2009, 07:02:42 PM

Quote from: Sigz on April 28, 2009, 06:57:41 PM
...

I always liked the snare on I&W...

edit: what's impossible about the part 7:23 - 8:03 on metropolis?
I know, I always thought that I&W had a cool drum sound. It stayed where it belonged, in the background, not clouding up the atmosphere.

Well see, that's my problem with the triggered snare. It doesn't allow for any inflections, any hit sounds the same. If one wanted to accentuate certain beats it wouldn't have mattered. It's not the biggest deal but for me the sound does kind of cut through annoyingly every once in a while.

rumborak · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:15:38 PM »

Given the experienced producer Prater is, I assume he had a solid reason to trigger the snare. I assume inconsistency issues.

rumborak

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Author Topic: david prater =/ (Read 111793 times)