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Too bad it's the radio edit. The real album track is two minutes longer.

oh damn, how do you cut 2 minutes from a song?  It must be missing some really good stuff, unless it was just some intro/outro music, but the song is fairly straight forward so maybe it's from the instrumental section which is pretty awesome here but a bit short.

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Missing is:

* Intro with key build
* Slightly longer drum fill
* Two different riffs after the main intro riff
* Bridge
* Technical section before the solos

Otherwise it's identical. ;)


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video reminded me of the 80's.....one hot chick walking around being hot while the band plays the song.

song was awesome though.
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The video is out for all - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQKHm_l-vcc

How sweaty were you guys or was it not as hot as it looks? :D

I like the song but I still feel that Tom was holding back and could have done a bit more on it.

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At least Patrick Ullaeus didn't arrange the cables in a circle around the band, like he did with several Evergrey and Arch Enemy videos over the last few years.   That was starting to drive me nuts. 

Awesome song though - great riffs and leads, though I think I'd agree about Tom.  I love him, but maybe there are songs on the album where he really cuts loose and goes for it.  The chorus seems very subdued and relaxed, but I can hear him in my mind wailing away on it.

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A note on Tom...

His performance is, intentionally on his part and with my support and that of others in the band, not supposed to sound exactly like he does in Evergrey.

A note on the cables...

Uh...don't look too closely. :)

On, and Abydos...yeah it was bloody hot out in that desert!  We had a tent and a fan and cold towels but it was a long 10 hours out there.
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Next video in the desert - Hawaiian shirts and shorts, it won't be any less \m/ :P

I agree with you wholeheartedly with your and Tom's approach that he shouldn't sound like he does in Evergrey. But knowing that he can do more than that, it felt a little underwhelming, especially in the chorus. But I'm sure I'll get used to that after my initial expectations are out of the way and the song starts to sink in and I begin to appreciate it on its own merit.

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Missing is:

* Intro with key build
* Slightly longer drum fill
* Two different riffs after the main intro riff
* Bridge
* Technical section before the solos

Otherwise it's identical. ;)

It did feel like a sudden start. Good song though, Tom is sounding good. Can't wait to hear him sing the older songs at ProgPower in Sept.
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Next video in the desert - Hawaiian shirts and shorts, it won't be any less \m/ :P

I agree with you wholeheartedly with your and Tom's approach that he shouldn't sound like he does in Evergrey. But knowing that he can do more than that, it felt a little underwhelming, especially in the chorus. But I'm sure I'll get used to that after my initial expectations are out of the way and the song starts to sink in and I begin to appreciate it on its own merit.

The other thing to keep in mind is that while these songs and melodies fit Tom's range, his range of full-throated angst may be a subset of his overall range. :)

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I think abydos is probably right that we're going to have to take some time to get used to Tom's vocals with Redemption.  Right now it does just seem like he's restrained and something isn't quite right, but I'm willing to see how it grows. 

For what it's worth, I think Ray still sounded like Ray in Redemption, but there were no issues with anything sounding too much like Fates Warning.  I think Tom could just let loose and be himself and it would be fine.

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Someone Elseís Problem isnít a bad song, but I donít like it.  :-[ Indulge in Color was so great, so I guess my expectations were too high.

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In streaming service, someone elseís  problem is in its complete version  :tup

Yeah, I got the full song on iTunes yesterday. Much, much more satisfying in its full length- although I totally get the necessities of trimming down a longer song for a single/music video version.

Iím actually kind of surprised Someone Elseís Problem isnít the album opener. The full 90 second long opening sequence would have made for one epic opening with its buildup!
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Yeah, I got the full song on iTunes yesterday. Much, much more satisfying in its full length- although I totally get the necessities of trimming down a longer song for a single/music video version.

What are the necessities of trimming down the song?  Especially if you say the full length is more satisfying.  I understand for radio or past MTV airplay, but in the world of youtube videos and unlimited length people's leisure of skipping through videos, what is the reason today to trim down a prog metal song?  Maybe in video production costs?  An extra 2 minutes of video means x amount of dollars cost maybe? 

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Yeah, I got the full song on iTunes yesterday. Much, much more satisfying in its full length- although I totally get the necessities of trimming down a longer song for a single/music video version.

What are the necessities of trimming down the song?  Especially if you say the full length is more satisfying.  I understand for radio or past MTV airplay, but in the world of youtube videos and unlimited length people's leisure of skipping through videos, what is the reason today to trim down a prog metal song?  Maybe in video production costs?  An extra 2 minutes of video means x amount of dollars cost maybe?

We had plenty of footage to do a longer video.

Satellite radio plays music. And the label has a lot of data that shows people tune out (literally and/or figuratively) with long introductions. I had to push to get Indulge in Color released as our second video. And even now, when people are into it more than the first video which is shorter, it has a third of the views. So they are on to something.

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I was hoping you'd respond since you'd give a real answer that makes sense, not just one of us guessing.  Hard to argue against the data, that is interesting though.  I kind of figured this genre of music would be more accepting to the full song.  Also, I don't have satellite radio so didn't really think of that as an option.  Thanks for the response.

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I kind of figured this genre of music would be more accepting to the full song. 

Fans of the genre already probably are.  But I think with a video edit they're trying to reach beyond that.  Maybe some will only ever be interested in the shorter songs, but if it gets them talking and sharing, that's something.  Still others might start with the shorter songs and then find they like the longer tracks too.  Everyone has to start somewhere.

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Love love love the long version!  Wow!  Classic Redemption! :metal
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Can that girl be in every video?
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Just watched it.  I think CHP should be notified that this girl drove from Malibu to the desert in under a minute.  She can't possibly have obeyed the local speed limits.
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Just watched it.  I think CHP should be notified that this girl drove from Malibu to the desert in under a minute.  She can't possibly have obeyed the local speed limits.

Well, Nick did say that it's a Radio Edit. Maybe if they played the whole song...

...who cares. That chick can damn do whatever the hell she wants!
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Really good new song, something a different which is cool.  Love the solo trade offs between Nick and Chris.