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« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2011, 05:05:52 PM »
For rock music maybe but Israel is a lead in electronic music.
In 1997 I saw a Dana International music video on MTV when I was in Egypt and got a boner.
In 1998 Larry King interviewed her and I learned a fact that shocked me so deep I can never trust an Israeli musician again :lol
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« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2011, 05:07:19 PM »
For rock music maybe but Israel is a lead in electronic music.
In 1997 I saw a Dana International on MTV when I was in Egypt and got a boner.
In 1998 Larry King interviewed her and I learned a fact that shocked me so deep I can never trust an Israeli musician again :lol

Yup I mean rock music. Israel is crazy horrible at that, not sure why, maybe it's because all the potential rockers have become rabbis or soldiers.

Damn even Iraq has a heavy metal scene that's worth mentioning.
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« Reply #107 on: April 15, 2011, 05:18:18 PM »
Which was first?
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« Reply #108 on: April 15, 2011, 05:51:07 PM »
Also, I found out the other day that I can't go to my Israel study abroad trip because I, as an israeli citizen, am banned from almost all Palestinian territories. I guess that's one part they neglect to mention when discussing checkpoints.

I was wondering about this. It seems weird that all Israelis would be barred since there are a good number of Palestinian Israelis. Any online sources for this?

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« Reply #109 on: April 15, 2011, 05:52:25 PM »
Also, I found out the other day that I can't go to my Israel study abroad trip because I, as an israeli citizen, am banned from almost all Palestinian territories. I guess that's one part they neglect to mention when discussing checkpoints.

I was wondering about this. It seems weird that all Israelis would be barred since there are a good number of Palestinian Israelis. Any online sources for this?

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« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2011, 05:53:58 PM »
Damn even Iraq has a heavy metal scene that's worth mentioning.

Wait, really?  Is there anything online worth hearing?  For some reason Iraqi heavy metal music seems worth hearing.
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« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2011, 06:00:37 PM »
Damn even Iraq has a heavy metal scene that's worth mentioning.

Wait, really?  Is there anything online worth hearing?  For some reason Iraqi heavy metal music seems worth hearing.

Honestly I have no idea. But I'm pretty sure there's a documentary about it.

EDIT: Here it is. https://www.heavymetalinbaghdad.com/about.html
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« Reply #112 on: April 15, 2011, 06:05:37 PM »
Ask the PA. All non military or celebrity Israeli citizens are banned from places like Bethleham and Rhamallah. I only checked on those two since that's where we'd be going, but I have a feeling most of the west bank is similar.

Apparently this is Israeli law, not PA law.

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« Reply #113 on: April 15, 2011, 06:07:25 PM »
Ask the PA. All non military or celebrity Israeli citizens are banned from places like Bethleham and Rhamallah. I only checked on those two since that's where we'd be going, but I have a feeling most of the west bank is similar.

Apparently this is Israeli law, not PA law.

Israeli law regarding Israeli checkpoints, PA law regarding Palestinian check points.

And I can't pass through Israeli checkpoints into Rahamalla because then I'll be identified as Israeli and there's a very high chance I will be shot, stoned to death or beaten to death.
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« Reply #114 on: April 15, 2011, 06:24:55 PM »
If you really wanted to, you could probably just show your U.S. passport and get through with no trouble. When I went into Bethlehem through the main check point they didn't even check passports, neither going in or going out. As long as you don't look Arab they're pretty lax. Not sure about Rhamallah though.

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« Reply #115 on: April 15, 2011, 06:26:19 PM »
If you really wanted to, you could probably just show your U.S. passport and get through with no trouble. When I went into Bethlehem through the main check point they didn't even check passports, neither going in or going out. As long as you don't look Arab they're pretty lax. Not sure about Rhamallah though.

My American passport also identifies me as Israel, no go. And while you're right that there's a chance they won't ask for passports, I'd be going with a group. So if for some reason they DID ask for passports, it would screw things up for the rest of the group, and that's not worth the risk.
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« Reply #116 on: April 15, 2011, 06:39:09 PM »
One thing I wish I had known before I went to Israel is that I could get my stamp on a separate attached paper that could be removed after leaving so that I wouldn't be banned from a bunch of countries :/

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« Reply #117 on: April 15, 2011, 06:42:49 PM »
One thing I wish I had known before I went to Israel is that I could get my stamp on a separate attached paper that could be removed after leaving so that I wouldn't be banned from a bunch of countries :/

Huh, I didn't know you could do that either, not that it would affect my situation.


But isn't it awesome how many countries ban that? Lovely world.
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« Reply #118 on: April 15, 2011, 06:52:21 PM »
I know, srsly, what the point even if Mossad agents can just get in with European passports.

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« Reply #119 on: April 15, 2011, 06:57:47 PM »
I know, srsly, what the point even if Mossad agents can just get in with European passports.

They have no intention of keeping out Mossad. Every country is aware that Mossad will do what they do when they want to, (luckily they haven't in a very long time). The banning of Israelis is a statement against Israelies, not Mossad.
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« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2011, 07:53:19 PM »
Europe bans Israelis?

@ barto: Well I've moderated my views considerably so that Adami and I can at least form a coalition of sorts. :laugh: I do believe in a two-state solution and that there are problems in both countries but I find a good deal of criticism of Israel on an individual basis to be a bit unfair and as part of a double-standard, and that's why I often collude with Adami.

By the way Adami, do you like Aviv Geffen or Eifo HaYeled? I don't think Israeli rock is bad at all, I love both of those and HaYehudim on occasion.
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« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2011, 08:10:03 PM »
My favorite Israeli band has to be Melechesh.

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« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2011, 10:11:52 PM »
Europe bans Israelis?

@ barto: Well I've moderated my views considerably so that Adami and I can at least form a coalition of sorts. :laugh: I do believe in a two-state solution and that there are problems in both countries but I find a good deal of criticism of Israel on an individual basis to be a bit unfair and as part of a double-standard, and that's why I often collude with Adami.

By the way Adami, do you like Aviv Geffen or Eifo HaYeled? I don't think Israeli rock is bad at all, I love both of those and HaYehudim on occasion.

European countries don't ban Israelis, just middle eastern, African and Asian countries (and just some, not all).

And I've never heard of either of those bands. I want to stand firm in my opinion that Israeli rock is terrible (until I make it big) so I will ignore those recommendations in fear that it might change my opinion. :-D
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« Reply #123 on: April 16, 2011, 07:07:17 AM »
How have you not heard of Aviv Geffen?  Or are you just being sarcastic?
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« Reply #124 on: April 18, 2011, 10:40:52 AM »
Well, I'd say in my ideal world there are no countries. So, hard to say whether I'd go for Israel or not.

What's up with this?
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« Reply #125 on: April 18, 2011, 10:43:56 AM »
Well, I'd say in my ideal world there are no countries. So, hard to say whether I'd go for Israel or not.

What's up with this?
https://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2011/04/2011417101015775554.html

I couldn't watch the video with sound at the moment, but without sound it looked like some kind of prison riot that the troops were responding to. Is that about right? Or were the soldiers just going into a calm prison and starting to shoot everyone?
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« Reply #126 on: April 18, 2011, 11:19:56 AM »
From what I can ascertain, the Israelis launched a "surprise inspection" raid at two in the morning and a riot ensued.  One person was killed.  I saw several people in that video (no sound here, either) with gunshot wounds to the extremities, so I'd have to say that the Israelis seemed to have exercised some actual restraint.  You don't shoot somebody in the calf if you're actually trying to kill him. 

I'd be willing to bet that there are a ton of more egregious issues with Israel's detention of political prisoners that merit some outcry.  It would seem that a disproportional number of Palestinian prisoners wind up dead in Israel's custody.  Certainly a bigger reason for concern than 1 dead from the suppression of a prison riot. 

Something that's annoying as all fuck is the difficulty in finding legitimate info about the goings on over there.
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« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2011, 01:37:17 PM »
As a general rule, I don't trust Al Jazeera so you'll have to take that up with Adami.
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« Reply #128 on: April 18, 2011, 06:04:30 PM »
As a general rule, I don't trust Al Jazeera so you'll have to take that up with Adami.

Why not?

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« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2011, 06:23:44 PM »
As a general rule, I don't trust Al Jazeera so you'll have to take that up with Adami.

Despite how bias they are, they're actually a pretty decent place to get news. Al Jazeera is one of the few agencies who will report on things that happen in gaza and the west bank that isn't Israels fault.
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« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2011, 07:13:22 PM »
As a general rule, I don't trust Al Jazeera so you'll have to take that up with Adami.

Despite how bias they are, they're actually a pretty decent place to get news. Al Jazeera is one of the few agencies who will report on things that happen in gaza and the west bank that isn't Israels fault.

Alright I won't begrudge them that, but they did say some pretty nasty (untrue) stuff during the Hezbollah War of '06.
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« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2011, 07:17:47 PM »
Everyone did.


That whole war was basically a very calculated PR campaign by Hezbollah to ensure political take over.


And boy did it work.
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« Reply #132 on: April 29, 2011, 06:10:27 AM »
So the Palestinian state is going to happen, according to Haaretz.  I am pro the two-state solution, but happening like this will be very harmful to Israel.  Makes me wish something had actually happened at the bargaining table late last year.
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« Reply #133 on: April 29, 2011, 11:34:03 AM »
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« Reply #134 on: April 29, 2011, 11:36:06 AM »
Yes, but this UN sanctioning could be particularly bad for Israel, especially because it means Palestine gets a seat on the UN Council by default.  That means the UN finally has the right of way to try Israel for war crimes for the past 40 years, both real and imagined.
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« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2011, 01:18:22 PM »
Yes, but this UN sanctioning could be particularly bad for Israel, especially because it means Palestine gets a seat on the UN Council by default.  That means the UN finally has the right of way to try Israel for war crimes for the past 40 years, both real and imagined.

Will the palestinians get tried for war crimes?
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« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2011, 01:44:21 PM »
Yes, but this UN sanctioning could be particularly bad for Israel, especially because it means Palestine gets a seat on the UN Council by default.  That means the UN finally has the right of way to try Israel for war crimes for the past 40 years, both real and imagined.

Will the palestinians get tried for war crimes?

I don't think so.  Is this a loaded question?
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« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2011, 01:45:44 PM »
Yes, but this UN sanctioning could be particularly bad for Israel, especially because it means Palestine gets a seat on the UN Council by default.  That means the UN finally has the right of way to try Israel for war crimes for the past 40 years, both real and imagined.

Will the palestinians get tried for war crimes?

I don't think so.  Is this a loaded question?


Why would it be a loaded question? I just don't see why the Palestinian governments won't be held accountable for their actions.
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« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2011, 03:13:46 PM »
Probably because of the composition of said UN Council. :P
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