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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2011, 12:51:56 PM »
Two things, EV.  First, my understanding of it is that if you selling your house increases your unearned income to more than 200K (250k if filing jointly), then you'll be subject to the tax.  That is NOT the same as everybody pays 3.8% when they sell their home.  A far cry, actually.  I suspect the unearned income part would actually be largely based on your equity vs. debt financed.  

Also, where was all this anti-health care venom when the Republicans insisted on funding high-quality health care for the Iraqis?  Much better healthcare than what we're going to get.  I'm a little fuzzy on why we should pay for a single payer system in Iraq but it's every man for himself here.  A paradigm I'm sure you supported with all of your GOP zeal.  
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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2011, 12:53:38 PM »
Two things, EV.  First, my understanding of it is that if you selling your house increases your unearned income to more than 200K (250k if filing jointly), then you'll be subject to the tax.  That is NOT the same as everybody pays 3.8% when they sell their home.  A far cry, actually.  I suspect the unearned income part would actually be largely based on your equity vs. debt financed.  

Also, where was all this anti-health care venom when the Republicans insisted on funding high-quality health care for the Iraqis?  Much better healthcare than what we're going to get.  I'm a little fuzzy on why we should pay for a single payer system in Iraq but it's every man for himself here.  A paradigm I'm sure you supported with all of your GOP zeal.  

EB, can you post an article about the Iraqi healthcare issue..I gotta say Im not facile on it.


Under the new health care bill -  all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax  The bulk of these new  taxes don't kick in until 2013  If you sell your $400,000 home, there will  be a $15,200 tax.  etc etc
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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2011, 01:06:46 PM »
I'm a bit busy (you always pick the wrong times to run amok  :lol),  but I'll scare something up when I get the chance.   

And your interpretation of the the unearned income tax doesn't jibe with what I've been seeing. 
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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2011, 01:11:43 PM »
I'm a bit busy (you always pick the wrong times to run amok  :lol),  but I'll scare something up when I get the chance.  

And your interpretation of the the unearned income tax doesn't jibe with what I've been seeing.  

cool EB... I understand. Have a great day bro.

Im trying to not be active here, but I wanted to at least ( as per the request of the group) to show why my views are what they are ,to back them up?? as my views to me, are quite rational and based upon imperical data and facts, that I gotta say dont make me happy to see, heck I wish everything was rosey myself with what Obama is doing, but the facts say it cant work, its counter all models of success our county has known.the SOTU was really jaw dropping to me on the massive spin and smoke screen, as he didntt deviate from what the coutnry has rejected a the mid terms, its like Obama is not listening
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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2011, 01:29:20 PM »
here is my issue with Obama's insane Sputnik remark and how we beat them to the moon.

well we wouldnt beat anyone today under Obama

https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7097057.ece
There's no reason to beat anyone today.  But he just planned to cut that Constellation program, for many reasons; the actual annual funding for NASA was planned to increase.

https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36476183/ns/technology_and_science-space/

BTW, Buzz Aldrin and the director of NASA are on board with Obama's decision.
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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2011, 01:43:32 PM »
I find these things unwatchable due to the crazy amount of clapping and standing ovations. Seriously... just let the guy speak!

There was a good SNL sketch about this after the first Gulf War ended. It was hilarious

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2011, 01:48:43 PM »
here is my issue with Obama's insane Sputnik remark and how we beat them to the moon.

well we wouldnt beat anyone today under Obama

https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7097057.ece
There's no reason to beat anyone today.  But he just planned to cut that Constellation program, for many reasons; the actual annual funding for NASA was planned to increase.

https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36476183/ns/technology_and_science-space/

BTW, Buzz Aldrin and the director of NASA are on board with Obama's decision.



I gotta get on the icey roads Heff, will respond later..have a great day!!
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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2011, 01:56:56 PM »
I find these things unwatchable due to the crazy amount of clapping and standing ovations. Seriously... just let the guy speak!

There was a good SNL sketch about this after the first Gulf War ended. It was hilarious

link or it didn't happen

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2011, 02:18:35 PM »
I saw it on Netflix. Not sure if i'll be able to find it anywhere else... I'll look though

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2011, 02:36:23 PM »
I was half kidding, so don't look too hard  :)

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2011, 03:37:27 PM »
BTW, what was surprising I thought was that when Obama talked about the abolition of "Don't ask, don't tell", the two military guys stayed in their seat with stone faces. I thought the heads of the military were actually *for* this move?

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2011, 04:20:48 PM »
Stone faces are normal for military guys, regardless of emotion.

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2011, 05:44:50 PM »
They sure looked irritated.

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2011, 07:55:55 PM »
Two things, EV.  First, my understanding of it is that if you selling your house increases your unearned income to more than 200K (250k if filing jointly), then you'll be subject to the tax.  That is NOT the same as everybody pays 3.8% when they sell their home.  A far cry, actually.  I suspect the unearned income part would actually be largely based on your equity vs. debt financed.  

Also, where was all this anti-health care venom when the Republicans insisted on funding high-quality health care for the Iraqis?  Much better healthcare than what we're going to get.  I'm a little fuzzy on why we should pay for a single payer system in Iraq but it's every man for himself here.  A paradigm I'm sure you supported with all of your GOP zeal.  

EB, can you post an article about the Iraqi healthcare issue..I gotta say Im not facile on it.


Under the new health care bill -  all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax  The bulk of these new  taxes don't kick in until 2013  If you sell your $400,000 home, there will  be a $15,200 tax.  etc etc

Well, it would appear that our liberal media hasn't really bothered to spell it out.  Shame.  It mostly appears to be the writings of bloggers that I won't bother posting here.  However, there are some simple and verifiable facts.  Healthcare is a constitutional right granted to all Iraqis.  A constitution based on the Transitional Authority Law which we crafted for them, which also inferred upon them the right to health care. 
Quote from: Iraqi Constitution, Article 31

First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The state takes care of public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and medical institutions.

Second: Individuals and institutions may build hospitals or clinics or places for treatment with the supervision of the state and this shall be regulated by law.
Because it was suggested that Saddam decided who did and didn't get medical treatment, it was deemed important that everybody would.  Therefore, Iraq gets universal healthcare.  Something we deem too socialist for ourselves, since healthcare isn't a right in America, but a privilege. 

This leads to the question of who pays for it.  Well, obviously we do.  Here's the GAO report for Iraq spending as of 2005.  Pages 30-34 deal with healthcare, but the nutshell is that we spent 866 million at that point.  Since we've spent a shit-ton on rebuilding the infrastructure we destroyed, there's really no telling how much of it was related to their communist style medical program.  As of 2006, the Iraqi Minister of Health said they desperately needed another 8 billion.  I have no idea if we gave it to them or not, but considering that we're still shelling out >100 billion per year, we damn sure better have.

To be fair, I'm not generally opposed to this.  Obviously, I think spending 1-3 trillion dollars to destroy and then rebuild a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with us was the dumb-fuck act of a bumbling idiot.  However, I tend to think that healthcare should be a right afforded to any citizen of a civilized country.  Plus, since we're largely responsible for turning the Iraqi medical system from one of the region's best to third world over the last thirty years, we pretty much owe it to them.  I just find that the people who are so terrified of Comrade Obama's socialist plan to insure healthcare for all Americans tend to be the ones who supported forcing a similar but better system on people who never asked for it, and that to me translates to something between simple hypocrisy and outright sadism.
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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2011, 08:47:40 PM »
Extremely well said Barto :tup

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Re: State of the Union
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2011, 11:09:45 AM »
Good Post EB!
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