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Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« on: January 27, 2011, 01:59:41 PM »
I chose not to post this in the GD because I don't think any kind of real discussion would come about. This video really hit me inside. As much as I bitch about American government, I am glad nothing like this has ever gone down, at least not in my lifetime. Anyone think something like this will ever occur on a much larger scale?

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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 02:09:50 PM »
Probably not for the simple reason that Americans are oblivious to the fact that they're getting hosed.  As long as there's NASCAR, Budweiser and internet porn freely available, nobody here will pay any attention to shitty government and eroding liberties. 

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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 02:23:24 PM »
They successfully killed the revolution, but it's awake inside the people now, Egyptians are not as lazy and hopeless as we used to be, people now know there's a chance it can work.
Now the government knows to watch out for planning of large gatherings and protests on the internet, they know to watch twitter and facebook, they won't let it happen again, I wish I can be more optimistic but maybe cause I'm away from the scene I can't feel the fire that's burning inside them back home.
And Clinton says the Egyptian government is great.
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2011, 02:32:44 PM »
I didn't see this prior to my above post but here it is https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2376815,00.asp
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2011, 03:26:37 PM »
They successfully killed the revolution, but it's awake inside the people now, Egyptians are not as lazy and hopeless as we used to be, people now know there's a chance it can work.
Now the government knows to watch out for planning of large gatherings and protests on the internet, they know to watch twitter and facebook, they won't let it happen again, I wish I can be more optimistic but maybe cause I'm away from the scene I can't feel the fire that's burning inside them back home.
And Clinton says the Egyptian government is great.

But even if they see it ahead of time, they still going to have to deal with mobs in the thousands.

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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 03:47:43 PM »
I didn't see this prior to my above post but here it is https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2376815,00.asp
Call me stupid or overoptimistic, but these kind of decisions are what get people angrier and radical. Maybe this will make every single last Egyptian to get out of their houses and fight for their freedom.

It's amazing what happened in Tunisia. It's amazing what it sparkled in Egypt. (I don't know if those in Yemen who are starting to want a Revolution are the good guys. I don't know too much about that country.)

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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 09:02:51 PM »
Not really sure what this is all about. I'll have to check into this more. I have long held a big chip on my shoulder over the whole "Dalit" situation in India, and have supported a group called Cultural Survival, who works very hard against the "untouchable" class. Perhaps the people of Egypt are treated the same by the ruling government or class. Or is this something entirely different?
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2011, 06:21:48 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12303564

Does Mubarak keep down the fundamentalists in Egypt? Or would Christians or Muslims or both benefit from his overthrow?

Also read that Cairo was bigger than New York or London which means that things are probably pretty heated there.

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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2011, 08:38:07 AM »
Mubarak does make it illegal for the extremist to be legitimate, i'm guessing they are going to take an iran type nose dive if he's overthrown and the islamist come to power. same deal in Tunisia.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2011, 09:06:35 AM »
Actually, from what I hear the public has no interest in having an Islamic state.

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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2011, 09:33:02 AM »
Its gotta be Israels fault...right?

the Mossad must have done it..

Lebanon is going well too.

Im sure Obama is most upset about some apartments in Jerusalem.


The Jihad cues off weakness, In Gaza Hezbollah is now training, and Iran is behind all this.

My heart goes out to the Christians of Egypt and Lebanon, Israel is their only hope
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2011, 09:40:10 AM »
EV what are you talking about?  The Egyptian protests are happening because they want to set up a democracy there instead of a dictatorship.  They want more power to the people and oust a dictator who has been in power for 30 years.  What does this have to do with Iran?  What does it have to do with fearing for Christians there? 
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2011, 10:35:49 AM »
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The Tehran Times welcomed the protests in rival Egypt.

The Iranian prayer leader today Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami hailed the new Islamic Middle East that is taking shape. The radical prayer leader said the recent developments in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and other Arab states echo the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
Mehr News reported:

Tehran Friday Prayer Leader has said that the United States’ dream of creating a new Middle East under its domination did not come true and a new Middle East, based on Islamic principles, is taking shape.

The remarks by Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami were made in reference to the unrest which has gripped certain Arab countries including Tunisia and Egypt.

Tunisian President Zine El Abidine’s government fell on January 14 after weeks of bloody protests over unemployment and high food prices.

The spirit of Tunisia also engulfed Egypt, one of the United States’ closest Middles East allies, where police fought with thousands of Egyptians who defied a government ban on Wednesday to protest against President Hosni Mubarak’s 30-year rule.

Ayatollah Khatami told worshippers at the Tehran University campus, “Today, an Islamic Middle East is taking shape and this is a new Middle East which is based on Islam, religion, and religious democracy.”

He added that former U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice had assumed a new Middle East would be created in favor of the U.S. and the Zionist regime.

Rice first introduced the term “New Middle East” to the world during the war between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006.

“It is time for a new Middle East. It is time to say to those that don’t want a different kind of Middle East that we will prevail. They will not,” she said…

…Ayatollah Khatami also said that the recent developments in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and other Arab states echo the 1979 Islamic Revolution
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2011, 10:41:14 AM »
So you read that and interpret it as militant Islamists are taking over Egypt?  Did you see the pictures?  They are youth, in "American" looking clothing protesting. 

Why are you listening to some extremist in Iran's opinion on what is going on there?  Of course he wants to believe it is an Islamic uprising.  That is his bias.  Who cares if he believes it to mirror a different revolution.  Just because he thinks that way doesn't mean it is.  You are overreacting.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2011, 10:45:32 AM »
So you read that and interpret it as militant Islamists are taking over Egypt?  Did you see the pictures?  They are youth, in "American" looking clothing protesting.  

Why are you listening to some extremist in Iran's opinion on what is going on there?  Of course he wants to believe it is an Islamic uprising.  That is his bias.  Who cares if he believes it to mirror a different revolution.  Just because he thinks that way doesn't mean it is.  You are overreacting.

Im sorry, but thats what they are selling us, like Lebanon, all this is a mirror of Lebanon. why is Jordan worried today? Egypt will not be more free, not that Im happy with the current rgimes treatment of the Coptic Christians..and obviously the desruction of the Jewish Community of Egypt.
do you think Lebanon is going in the right direction? all this is to about the Harari trial that is going to be layed at Hezbollahs feet..

The major protests follow the recent successful revolt in Tunisia. Lebanon's Nasrallah encouraged the demonstrators to take over, but resentment of Mubarak's plans to have his son take his place and the economic situation in Egypt are dominant factors. Demonstrators are calling on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to step down from power and allow open and fair elections.

The country's four primary Internet providers all cut service shortly after midnight. Mobile phone signals were disrupted as well, in an apparent attempt by authorities to make it more difficult for protesters to organize or to get footage of the demonstrations out of the country.

Organizers have switched to contacting friends abroad on landlines. Footage and reports from protests earlier in the week were online almost instantly as demonstrators updated their pages on social networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook while riots were ongoing.

Muslim Brotherhood Joins the Fray
The government crackdown is responding to the Muslim Brotherhood's announcement on Thursday that it will join Friday's demonstration. The Brotherhood is Egypt's largest opposition group, and its participation gives the counter-government rallies new strength.

One Brotherhood leader told reporters on Thursday, “Tomorrow is going to be the day of the intifada.” He predicted that many of the Brotherhood's younger
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2011, 10:55:11 AM »
Since I know you are not an Obama fan, imagine how you would feel if he were oppressing you, was authoritarian and also decided to stay in power for 30 years without any elections to get him out of office.  Yeah, I think you'd want a revolution too.
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2011, 10:57:39 AM »
Since I know you are not an Obama fan, imagine how you would feel if he were oppressing you, was authoritarian and also decided to stay in power for 30 years without any elections to get him out of office.  Yeah, I think you'd want a revolution too.

Not if Stalin was who they wanted to get voted in.

Oh, yea,... Obama... pffttttttttttttttt...

the world knows Obama wont do a thing..our enemies know this also, The Jihad waits for their time, the Jihad works in many ways and is about timing. Jordan is next, sadly
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2011, 10:59:50 AM »
Since I know you are not an Obama fan, imagine how you would feel if he were oppressing you, was authoritarian and also decided to stay in power for 30 years without any elections to get him out of office.  Yeah, I think you'd want a revolution too.

Not of Stalin was who they wanted to get voted in.

Oh, yea,... Obama... pffttttttttttttttt...

the world knows Obama wont do a thing..our enemies know this also

I seriously can't even follow your train of thought.  I am going to stop responding now.  I don't know where you are getting your information, or ideas, or what seems to be like paranoid guesses from.  So I am just going to leave it at that.
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2011, 11:09:11 AM »
El Baradeis a puppet of Iran, far from an Egyption moderate, we all know this from his protecting of Irans nukes..he also complicit with Oil for Food

the saddest part is how the media is not pointing this out.
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2011, 11:26:34 AM »
epicview...

what the fuck are you talking about?

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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2011, 11:30:28 AM »
epicview...

what the fuck are you talking about?

Im talking about what going on in the streets of Egypt. this mimick what is happening in Lebanon, its the same Jihad, and thats what is happening.

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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2011, 11:33:26 AM »
I didn't have time to read any posts after EPICVIEW's post, I'm ready to get banned, you are full of shit, not just on internal American politics but on the outside too, 6 of my best friends are in jail in Egypt because of this, 4 Muslims and 2 Christians, they all carried this out as one man, in this situation you spread this insane extreme right wing swine? you don't give a flying fuck about Israel, you just can't bad mouth them, you never will, you're weak and you know where to stand to look strong.
This is my country you're talking about and you sound like a fuckin truck driver at a road side bar, our fate as a nation fed up with it's tyrant of a government is in question and all you can turn this into is Muslims VS Christians, this is just here, just in your poorly design head, conflicts between Muslims and Christians in Egypt occur only among a certain low level uneducated douchebags, you'll never find that shit in Cairo for example.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2011, 11:36:37 AM »
From Robert Spencers fine site.

A Jihad In Tunisia
by Robert Spencer

01/18/2011



When Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali was toppled from power and fled to Saudi Arabia on Friday, The Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin hailed this "Jasmine Revolution" as a "remarkable event: a popular, secular revolt in a Muslim country" that "poses an opportunity and a risk for the U.S." Mona Eltahawy, also writing in the Post, explained that "a 29-day popular uprising against unemployment, police brutality and the regime's corruption" brought down Ben Ali. But there are numerous indications that there were other sources of dissatisfaction in Tunisia with Ben Ali -- including the relatively secular character of the government. Pro-Sharia Islamic supremacist forces are poised to take advantage.

The popular perception is that Ben Ali was brought down by the will of the people. The French government declared that Tunisians, by toppling Ben Ali, had "expressed their democratic will." German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed her support for "real democracy" in the North African nation, adding in a message to officials of the new Tunisian government: "I appeal to you to use this deep break in Tunisia's history as a new departure."

A factory worker in Carthage had similar high hopes: "This is like the French Revolution," he said enthusiastically. "It's the end of an era. I'm hoping there is real change. We can't continue like this." Political analyst Ahmed Lashin declared: "The Arabs have been repressed for too long. They are eager for change and are on the verge of explosion."



But what kind of change? What kind of Reign of Terror might come in the wake of this new French Revolution? Rached Ghannouchi, the London-based leader of the banned Tunisian pro-Sharia party, the Tunisian Renaissance Party (Hizb al-Nahdah), was quick to dub the Tunisian uprising an "intifada" and to claim it as a victory for Islam. "The Tunisian intifada," he exulted, "has succeeded in collapsing the dictatorship."
 
Pro-Sharia MPs in Kuwait applauded "the courage of the Tunisian people," and Abdelmalek Deroukdal, a leader of al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, hailed the revolution as a jihad and expressed solidarity with the Tunisians. In Gaza, the jihadist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad were both thrilled at events in Tunisia. Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri hailed the victory for democracy, and Gaza Foreign Minister Fathi Hammad emphasized that "we are with the Tunisians in choosing their leaders, no matter what sacrifices it takes."

Islamic Jihad praised the Tunisian people for liberating themselves "through blood, sacrifices and the expression of free will," adding ominously that the toppling of Ben Ali was "a message to Arab and Islamic countries to pay attention to the aspirations of their people that are rejecting hegemony and tyranny before it is too late."

Islamic Jihad held a rally in Gaza City, featuring hundreds of jihadists waving Tunisian flags festooned with the words "Revenge against tyranny." Islamic Jihad spokesman Dawud Shehab sounded a drearily familiar note in accusing the Ben Ali regime of maintaining "suspicious ties" with Israel.

Meanwhile, a PLO faction warned Tunisians about "waves of political Islam" that could follow Ben Ali's toppling, and urged them to "cut the road to political Islam and its misleading slogans to avoid a repeat of the Gaza Strip experience in Tunisia" -- referring to the seizure of power in Gaza by the Islamic supremacists of Hamas.

The great unacknowledged truth about Tunisia and the rest of the Islamic world is that Islamic jihadists and pro-Sharia forces, far from being the "tiny minority of extremists" of media myth, actually enjoy broad popular support. Any genuine democratic uprising is likely to install them in power. That's why jihadists are hailing events in Tunisia, and why all lovers of freedom should view those events with extreme reserve -- for a Sharia government in Tunisia is unlikely to be any kind of friend to the United States, and if the "Jasmine Revolution" does indeed spread and other Arab and Muslim dictators are toppled, an already hostile anti-American environment could become much, much worse.

The events in Tunisia also show yet again the crying need for realistic analysis in Washington of the jihad threat, rather than the fantasy-based analysis that prevails there now. But that is even less likely than the flowering of a pluralistic, secular democracy in Tunisia.
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2011, 11:50:52 AM »
Do you even know what Jihad means? it means fighting against people trying to push us out of our land, these people are not out to destroy your religion or tractor, Jihad will exist as long as the Palestinian/Israeli conflict exists, it will exist as long as their an American soldier in the middle east, there's no avoiding that, what do you want to do? just kill us all? only way around it! cause these people will fight with sticks and stones if they have to.
BUT THEN AGAIN THAT IS NOT THE FUCKIN SUBJECT!
Yes it's the people, the governments they wanna overthrow is the governments that doesn't represent them, you wanna keep them in power because they serve your deranged ideas.
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2011, 11:57:26 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2011, 12:07:35 PM »
the curfew is ignored and the military is joining the riots, good stuff.

hopefully this will spread to turkey and we can overthrow and hang the ruling party members.
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2011, 12:08:47 PM »
very scary developments sweeping across the Mid East.

all very concerning.
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2011, 12:12:51 PM »
Do you even know what Jihad means? it means fighting against people trying to push us out of our land, these people are not out to destroy your religion or tractor, Jihad will exist as long as the Palestinian/Israeli conflict exists, it will exist as long as their an American soldier in the middle east, there's no avoiding that, what do you want to do? just kill us all? only way around it! cause these people will fight with sticks and stones if they have to.
BUT THEN AGAIN THAT IS NOT THE FUCKIN SUBJECT!
Yes it's the people, the governments they wanna overthrow is the governments that doesn't represent them, you wanna keep them in power because they serve your deranged ideas.

Yes im facile on "the Jihad" and know that the term can be used many ways, "an inner struggle" etc..
you dont need to get so hostile.. really. Im simply discussing the subject
The Jihad will exist until Sharia law is enacted and infidels are converted etc..or live as Dhimmis under Sharia law
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2011, 12:14:30 PM »
very scary developments sweeping across the Mid East.

all very concerning.

liberation from american puppet governments is not scary, the potential for islam to take foot hold may be scary.
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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2011, 12:17:33 PM »
very scary developments sweeping across the Mid East.

all very concerning.

liberation from american puppet governments is not scary, the potential for islam to take foot hold may be scary.

can those two statements coexist? think about it.. emancipation from a "western leaning" goverment, to Sharia law to me is not a step forward?? a cold peace is not ideal, but a form of peace, and Id like to see Freedom win the day
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2011, 12:22:49 PM »
of course it can, your view of islamic countries, especially egypt and turkey which are secular (usa and france who preach it are not btw) are very ignorant. people protest poverty and unemployment and they will follow a leader promising prosperity. islam is used by the fascist regimes as a tool of control and that will not bring stability to a country demanding better jobs and wealth.
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2011, 12:26:12 PM »
EV, you seem to be overlooking a very simple truism, much like your ideological compatriots.  The more you try to repress a religious ideology, the stronger you'll make it.  There are plenty of things you can try to keep down, but once you get into religion, you're really fighting a losing cause.  We're talking about eternal salvation here.  People take that shit very seriously.  You seem to view this thing as a war against Islam.  Not only is that a war that you're not going to win, but it's exactly what empowers the people you're so frightened of.  The more people who adopt your anti-Islam POV, the more people will step up to defend it.  

History has shown plenty of ways to deal with unpopular people, governments, regions, whatever.  It's also shown time and time again that holy wars are never effective.  

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islam is used by the fascist regimes as a tool of control and that will not bring stability to a country demanding better jobs and wealth.
And the more you rage about it, the more effective a tool it will be for them.
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2011, 12:30:29 PM »
to address the group;

so called open elctions, although I agree appear to be "democracy":  will only bring Sharia law into power.

Turkey is in turmoil. secular or not, Turkey is slipping away towards Iran, just like Iran, which also at one time had a vibrant, growing, western secular community, that community is now way in the background...its very sad.
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2011, 12:35:24 PM »
 the people only vote for the ruling party in turkey because they bribe for votes, and influence the votes counted, they will be gone soon enough.


50 percent of 73 million turks are under the age of 29, and they are largely against oppressive islamic rule and are westward, so even if they tried, the riots in turkey would far suppress iranian efforts to oust the islamic rule.
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Re: Egyptian Revolution Jan 25th 2011
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2011, 12:41:16 PM »
the people only vote for the ruling party in turkey because they bribe for votes, and influence the votes counted, they will be gone soon enough.


50 percent of 73 million turks are under the age of 29, and they are largely against oppressive islamic rule and are westward, so even if they tried, the riots in turkey would far suppress iranian efforts to oust the islamic rule.

I hope you are correct.. really,.. but Erdogan is ruining Turkey, he is moving it towards Iran. Erdogan is no good..
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