US Congresswoman and others shot

[rumborak]

You know, you can't do much about people being loons. However, I would hope one can do something about loons having access to guns.

rumborak

[Perpetual Change]

We're just pointing out the mutual level of insanity.

... I'll ask just one more time. Why mention Alex Jones over all the other type of loons I already mentioned?

I just told you and you even quoted it. I honestly have no idea what you're driving at here. Alex Jones is a nutjob. People who listen to him are nutjobs. This guy is a nutjob. Maybe he listens to Alex Jones, maybe he doesn't. The point was that this guy probably has been nurtured by more than Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin's playful, violence-themed trolls of US politics.

[rumborak]

As sad as the occasion is, the good outcome of this will be that people realize what base Palin and the like are operating in, i.e. what type of people they are targeting. In fact, it's almost better this way, since a controlled Palin base could do more damage than one that can't keep their trigger still.

rumborak

[Perpetual Change]

Was the base ever actually not obvious? These are the people who give you a weapon and then claim that health and education are commodities, gays don't have the same rights, and walls need to be built to keep poor foreigners out.


...And that's the mainstream.

[rumborak]

I don't think the extreme end of Palin's base was really that obvious. Thing is now, Palin is inextricably connected to a loony murderer who bought into her drivel. I think for example a lot of women who previously bought into her "power woman" image will now say "Gee, I don't want to be part of THIS!". It also takes the wind out of the sails of the people who had been claiming the Tea Party isn't an extremist party.

rumborak

[GuineaPig]

I don't think the guy is a Palin supporter.  Have I missed something?  I thought he was a loony anarcho-leftist.

[Sigz]

Yeah, I haven't seen anything that indicated the guy was even conservative; his youtube videos read like some new-age conspiracy theorist, not a normal right wing whacko. The fact that his only favorited video was of a guy burning an american flag says a lot as well.

[rumborak]

Sorry, I had misunderstood something in the news coverage. Yeah, I guess currently the connection is just that the victim was on Palin's graph of people to "target".

rumborak

[El Barto]

I know some people from that area.  Will they release the names of the victims or is that usually kept confidential?

Nobody wants Mom and Dad to find out that their son was killed by watching the evening news.  They generally don't release the names of victims until after the relatives have been notified.

I did see one reference to him attending a Tea Party rally, but I don't know if it was real or bullshit, and frankly it doesn't matter.  This guys clearly nutty beyond any political ideology.  Any political beliefs he might have are inconsequential in this case. 

[millahh]

OK, since I wad the one who originally mentioned Jones:

One of this guys major things is currency/gold standard/etc.  I thought that this was one of Jones' big things as well (perhaps I'm confused with someone else?).

[Sigz]

One of this guys major things is currency/gold standard/etc.  I thought that this was one of Jones' big things as well (perhaps I'm confused with someone else?).

Ron Paul.


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OH MY GOD IT'S RON PAUL'S FAULT

[Nick]

Yeah, I haven't seen anything that indicated the guy was even conservative;

I don't understand how the guy being a conservative would in any way tie him to Sarah Palin, Republican leadership, or any pro-republican talk show hosts.

Mainly because none of the above are conservative.

[rumborak]

Nick, what is the point of your post? I can only surmise that we're supposed to ask now "Gee, if the Republicans aren't conservative, who IS a true conservative then?!"

rumborak

[ack44]

Was the base ever actually not obvious? These are the people who give you a weapon and then claim that health and education are commodities, gays don't have the same rights, and walls need to be built to keep poor foreigners out.


...And that's the mainstream.

Holy fucking shit PC, did you even read anything about this guy? If there even is a base at all it's not what you want to believe it is. Maybe next time it will be a right-wing nut job, okay?

[Perpetual Change]

Yeah, I haven't seen anything that indicated the guy was even conservative;

I don't understand how the guy being a conservative would in any way tie him to Sarah Palin, Republican leadership, or any pro-republican talk show hosts.

Mainly because none of the above are conservative.

Like I said a few posts back, these words are starting to get outdated. Personally, I find nothing 'conservative' about a movement that suggests, for example, a complete melt-down of the world financial system as an alternative to government regulation that would accomplish the same goals with much less draconian consequences.

[Perpetual Change]

Was the base ever actually not obvious? These are the people who give you a weapon and then claim that health and education are commodities, gays don't have the same rights, and walls need to be built to keep poor foreigners out.


...And that's the mainstream.

Holy fucking shit PC, did you even read anything about this guy? If there even is a base at all it's not what you want to believe it is. Maybe next time it will be a right-wing nut job, okay?

Are you even following the discussion, or are you just yelling at people based on stuff you pull out of context?

[Adami]

Was the base ever actually not obvious? These are the people who give you a weapon and then claim that health and education are commodities, gays don't have the same rights, and walls need to be built to keep poor foreigners out.


...And that's the mainstream.

Holy fucking shit PC, did you even read anything about this guy? If there even is a base at all it's not what you want to believe it is. Maybe next time it will be a right-wing nut job, okay?

Are you even following the discussion, or are you just yelling at people based on stuff you pull out of context?

This post brought to you by the letter S as in SNAP!

[ack44]

Are you even following the discussion, or are you just yelling at people based on stuff you pull out of context?

I'm trying to make you feel ashamed for making posts shitty beyond belief.

[Perpetual Change]

Um, thanks for insulting me and cursing at me. But, again, are you even following the discussion? Or are you just using stuff you pull out of context as an excuse to abuse other posters?

[ack44]

Yes, I'm following the discussion and doing my own research. I was sleeping between my posts on this page and the last. I understand you have strong opinions but at least take back what you said about it being obvious where this guy's base is.

[XJDenton]

Are you even following the discussion, or are you just yelling at people based on stuff you pull out of context?

I'm trying to make you feel ashamed for making posts shitty beyond belief.

Well please don't. Make your points, cross examine others all you want but there's no need to resort to this kind of thing.

[Perpetual Change]

Yes, I'm following the discussion and doing my own research. I was sleeping between my posts on this page and the last. I understand you have strong opinions but at least take back what you said about it being obvious where this guy's base is.

But I never said that his base was obvious. I was making a general comment on rumborak's point about the Sarah Palin base. See the post directly above mine:

As sad as the occasion is, the good outcome of this will be that people realize what base Palin and the like are operating in, i.e. what type of people they are targeting. In fact, it's almost better this way, since a controlled Palin base could do more damage than one that can't keep their trigger still.

rumborak

[ack44]

Haha oh man. I give up, your unrelenting attitude is a merit in and of itself.

[TempusVox]

Both of you guys need to give up.

Ack, XJ just commented on this, so here is something not so subtle. Stop the commentary about other posters. Your backhanded comments, and last minute jabs need to stop.

[Perpetual Change]

After checking out this kids website (which I dare not post here), he really does seem like a nut. I tried watching a video where he outlines his "thoughts" and all I got from it was that he had some great concert with 1.) 2012, 2.) the government 'brainwashing' you with the English language itself and 3.) The Constitution 4.) money that's backed by real gold and silver. On his Youtube "favorite books": Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

[ddtonfire]

What's wrong with The Old Man and the Sea? 

[Perpetual Change]

Nothing. The kid had serious issues. He's part English major, part Alex Jones, part Ron Paul, part Timothy McVeigh, just a fucked-up version of them all.

[rumborak]

Once you think the English language, one of the most amorphous and ill-defined languages in the world, is a tool of government control, you hit the end of the rope.
Question is, as usual, why the guy had access to a gun.

rumborak

[ack44]

What's wrong with The Old Man and the Sea? 

The only book in there that's disturbing to see in a favorite book list is Mein Kampf. As far as I can tell he's just a smart kid, smarter than me when I was 22. And Alex Jones isn't really a good person to name who's in favor of a gold standard. The economists who talk on his show are all smart people. Max Keiser, who I'm particularly fond of, has some strong views but doesn't subscribe to any conspiracy theories.

And off topic but



Best album of 2010

[Perpetual Change]

Me and ack agree about something 

Dammit, ack, suddenly I want to hug you. lol.

[ehra]

Once you think the English language, one of the most amorphous and ill-defined languages in the world, is a tool of government control, you hit the end of the rope.
Question is, as usual, why the guy had access to a gun.

rumborak

I don't know much about the whole thing but I heard during an interview that no kind of report was filed for the incident with his college so it wouldn't have shown up on the background check. And I don't think checking people's youtube accounts is routine procedure. So with those two things being off the records, there wasn't anything that pointed towards him being a lunatic.

[Chino]

I'm pretty sure Arizona is one of the easiest places to obtain a fire arm. A girl I know goes to school there and says people are packing heat all the time.

[ehra]

That could be a large part of it too.

[ack44]

Me and ack agree about something 

Dammit, ack, suddenly I want to hug you. lol.

[hefdaddy42]

If he had never been reported for anything and never been arrested for anything, there was no reason for him not to be able to get a gun.  It sounds like if we are going to point a finger at anyone, maybe it should be this guy's parents for not having him examined earlier.