Author Topic: Porcupine Tree Thread v. Zantera finally got LBS (Read 343624 times)

KevShmev · « **Reply #3395 on:** March 03, 2012, 09:33:20 AM »

Quote from: faemir on March 03, 2012, 08:32:12 AM

Hey guys, is it true that the new PT is delayed again for another Steven solo album? =/

Not technically. I don't think one for this year was actually ever scheduled. Steven Wilson is just striking with another solo album while the iron is hot and he is super inspired, which is the mark of a true musician. You cannot fault him for that. Inspiration cannot be put on a schedule.

faemir · « **Reply #3396 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:51:50 PM »

Yeah, that's fair enough. I wonder how different the new one will be stylistically from GFD. PT fans will be expecting a lot as well, that's for sure. A four year gap is quite big - and since as Steven isn't really a fan of metal so much now, I suspect it's going to be a bit of a fan-divider when it finally lands.

Zantera · « **Reply #3397 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:56:59 PM »

Personally I feel like the next PT will be even a bigger gap then from The Incident. No offense to that album in any way, but it didn't feel like PT did much "new" with that album in terms of sound. It had a very clear Porcupine Tree-sound, a little from Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun, a bit from Up the Downstair/Signify, the heaviness of Fear of a Blank Planet, and some characteristics from the other albums as well. So in that sense the difference might be big, from FOABP. (which was pretty different then the earlier albums sound-wise)

Ħ · « **Reply #3398 on:** March 05, 2012, 02:28:55 PM »

Quote from: faemir on March 05, 2012, 12:51:50 PM

Yeah, that's fair enough. I wonder how different the new one will be stylistically from GFD. PT fans will be expecting a lot as well, that's for sure. A four year gap is quite big - and since as Steven isn't really a fan of metal so much now, I suspect it's going to be a bit of a fan-divider when it finally lands.

Not 100% sure, but from the sound of things, SW3 will be more band-oriented and more song-oriented (no long directionless instrumentals). I do wonder what the theme will be. Insurgentes was all about traveling the world with an emphasis on Mexico, and you had the running motif of those creepy doll babies. GFD was about going back to the 'album' and revisiting the incorporation of jazz into rock, and its motif was the Polaroid photos. Who knows what SW3 will be about...I just hope that we get another deluxe set with the book and all.

SW has pretty much said he's done with metal, so I'd expect something totally different from any of the albums in the IA-TI era. I'm actually interested to see them explore styles as seen in The Incident (the movement) and Bonnie the Cat. Just creepy electronic-sounding stuff. No Part Of Me was kind of like that.

Zantera · « **Reply #3399 on:** March 05, 2012, 02:35:27 PM »

Several people here have been interested in a more electronica-influenced album by PT, Sleep Together and The Incident are two great songs with some interesting use of electronics.

Nick · « **Reply #3400 on:** March 05, 2012, 02:56:50 PM »

I see The Incident as more of King Crimson influenced than anything.

Ħ · « **Reply #3401 on:** March 05, 2012, 03:04:20 PM »

The song?

Nick · « **Reply #3402 on:** March 05, 2012, 03:26:39 PM »

Yeah.

Ħ · « **Reply #3403 on:** March 05, 2012, 03:30:37 PM »

Maybe I need to listen to more KC. I've just heard ITCOTCK, which sounds nothing like The Incident. Which albums do sound like The Incident?

seasonsinthesky · « **Reply #3404 on:** March 05, 2012, 03:41:36 PM »

i have no idea where the KC comparison is coming from. nothing in the title track of The Incident sounds remotely like KC, even the most recent stuff with Fripp's synth controlling all over it. literally nothing related at all (imo, of course).

there's a lot more KC influence in SW's solo stuff. like, infinitely more.

LieLowTheWantedMan · « **Reply #3405 on:** March 05, 2012, 04:01:14 PM »

Quote from: Ħ on March 05, 2012, 03:30:37 PM

Maybe I need to listen to more KC. I've just heard ITCOTCK, which sounds nothing like The Incident. Which albums do sound like The Incident?

Nothing sounds even close IMO.

The King in Crimson · « **Reply #3406 on:** March 05, 2012, 07:13:48 PM »

Quote from: Flick on March 05, 2012, 02:56:50 PM

I see The Incident as more of King Crimson influenced than anything.

I don't hear it, unless the influence is from their (KC's) newer material, which I'm not as familiar with.

That said, The Incident is one of the best from that album. Took me a while to like it though.

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on March 05, 2012, 03:41:36 PM

there's a lot more KC influence in SW's solo stuff. like, infinitely more.

GFD is basically 70's Crimson reheated in the microwave with a few added spices.

FlyingBIZKIT · « **Reply #3407 on:** March 05, 2012, 07:14:22 PM »

I've come to really love The Incident.

crawl_away · « **Reply #3408 on:** March 05, 2012, 10:30:09 PM »

PT will "officially" break up after this new SW album is released (unofficially it has already happened). There will be no new PT album.

seasonsinthesky · « **Reply #3409 on:** March 05, 2012, 10:35:11 PM »

^ lol

matt1722 · « **Reply #3410 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:37:27 PM »

Quote from: crawl_away on March 05, 2012, 10:30:09 PM

PT will "officially" break up after this new SW album is released (unofficially it has already happened). There will be no new PT album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eNrgpVp70U

I don't see SW doing this no matter how many solo albums he does. PT is just as much of a creative outlet as his solo stuff is.

Zantera · « **Reply #3411 on:** March 06, 2012, 02:46:09 AM »

I wouldn't be shocked if PT broke up, but on the other hand I don't really expect them to either. I'm anticipating another PT-album next year anyways.

Nick · « **Reply #3412 on:** March 06, 2012, 12:00:07 PM »

Quote from: Ħ on March 05, 2012, 03:30:37 PM

Maybe I need to listen to more KC. I've just heard ITCOTCK, which sounds nothing like The Incident. Which albums do sound like The Incident?

Listen to The Power to Believe album, and then listen to The Incident. They have a very distinct style and sound between them it seems.

Sketchy · « **Reply #3413 on:** March 06, 2012, 12:19:06 PM »

Quote from: Flick on March 06, 2012, 12:00:07 PM

Quote from: Ħ on March 05, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
Maybe I need to listen to more KC. I've just heard ITCOTCK, which sounds nothing like The Incident. Which albums do sound like The Incident?

Listen to The Power to Believe album, and then listen to The Incident. They have a very distinct style and sound between them it seems.

Now that you mention it...

Particularly parts of Level Five I think...

seasonsinthesky · « **Reply #3414 on:** March 06, 2012, 10:16:38 PM »

no offense here Flick, not trying to step on any credibility of your observation — just can't say i agree at all. besides use of electronics, i just don't hear anything similar; vocals are completely different, "The Incident" has a Meshuggah guitar riff, and everything electronic/synthy on TPTB basically either runs at twice the tempo or half of it.

compare earlier PT space psychedelics to Frippertronics and i'll have your back totally!

LieLowTheWantedMan · « **Reply #3415 on:** March 06, 2012, 10:41:03 PM »

No, I really don't see any KC in The Incident.

KevShmev · « **Reply #3416 on:** March 06, 2012, 10:48:10 PM »

Grace for Downing is definitely heavily KC-influenced, but The Incident? Not so much.

TioJorge · « **Reply #3417 on:** March 07, 2012, 10:31:17 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on March 06, 2012, 10:48:10 PM

Grace for Downing is definitely heavily KC-influenced, but The Incident? Not so much.

This is exactly what I was about to post... If GFD is said to have overt KC influences (a band I still have heard nothing of, so..my opinion is limited) then I can't possibly see how any influences can be in TI given that they're worlds apart in sound. Then again, I'm also no audiophile and I rarely listen to TI. Either way, whatever influenced Wilson to do TI, I hope never influences him again. I don't say that to bash TI, only to say I enjoy GFD lightyears more than TI. I know that makes no sense, but neither does Bidoof, so what the fuck pokemon?

Ħ · « **Reply #3418 on:** March 08, 2012, 07:06:11 PM »

Quote from: TioJorge on March 07, 2012, 10:31:17 AM

Quote from: KevShmev on March 06, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
Grace for Downing is definitely heavily KC-influenced, but The Incident? Not so much.

This is exactly what I was about to post... If GFD is said to have overt KC influences (a band I still have heard nothing of, so..my opinion is limited) then I can't possibly see how any influences can be in TI given that they're worlds apart in sound. Then again, I'm also no audiophile and I rarely listen to TI. Either way, whatever influenced Wilson to do TI, I hope never influences him again. I don't say that to bash TI, only to say I enjoy GFD lightyears more than TI. I know that makes no sense, but neither does Bidoof, so what the fuck pokemon?

Grace For Drowning is an odd, odd album. There's no denying it's strangeness. I honestly don't have an opinion on it yet, even after listening to it so many times.

The Incident is much more of a traditional songwriting approach, at least by prog rock standards. It's much more easily accessible. But I find that it's an album that relies on such basic melodies and statements that after a while it gets a little bit shallow and doesn't have much replay value.

I have no idea which is better.

Ħ · « **Reply #3419 on:** March 08, 2012, 07:22:09 PM »

You know what song is really underrated? Lips of Ashes. It's really amazing if you pay attention to it. The lyrics are incredibly creepy ("touching you.....inside...inside...inside...inside..."). The la-la-las are probably better than those in Trains or Grace For Drowning (the song) or anything else I can think of by SW. Especially that really eerie high pitched falsetto "ahh-ahhh-AHH-ahhh". Oh wow, I really am starting to love this song.

seasonsinthesky · « **Reply #3420 on:** March 08, 2012, 09:41:59 PM »

Quote from: Ħ on March 08, 2012, 07:22:09 PM

You know what song is really underrated? Lips of Ashes. It's really amazing if you pay attention to it. The lyrics are incredibly creepy ("touching you.....inside...inside...inside...inside..."). The la-la-las are probably better than those in Trains or Grace For Drowning (the song) or anything else I can think of by SW. Especially that really eerie high pitched falsetto "ahh-ahhh-AHH-ahhh". Oh wow, I really am starting to love this song.

absolutely one of the best PT tracks of all time! it's utterly spellbinding, and a brilliant reuse of parts from a Bass Communion track; SW seems to really have a knack for knowing which pieces fit where.

LieLowTheWantedMan · « **Reply #3421 on:** March 08, 2012, 10:01:04 PM »

Quote from: Ħ on March 08, 2012, 07:22:09 PM

You know what song is really underrated? Lips of Ashes. It's really amazing if you pay attention to it. The lyrics are incredibly creepy ("touching you.....inside...inside...inside...inside..."). The la-la-las are probably better than those in Trains or Grace For Drowning (the song) or anything else I can think of by SW. Especially that really eerie high pitched falsetto "ahh-ahhh-AHH-ahhh". Oh wow, I really am starting to love this song.

Quote from: Ħ on March 08, 2012, 07:06:11 PM

The Incident is much more of a traditional songwriting approach, at least by prog rock standards. It's much more easily accessible. But I find that it's an album that relies on such basic melodies and statements that after a while it gets a little bit shallow and doesn't have much replay value.

Completely agree on both of these.

Sigz · « **Reply #3422 on:** March 08, 2012, 11:35:44 PM »

I don't see what a melody being 'basic' has anything to do with it's replay value.

TioJorge · « **Reply #3423 on:** March 08, 2012, 11:47:35 PM »

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on March 08, 2012, 09:41:59 PM

Quote from: Ħ on March 08, 2012, 07:22:09 PM
You know what song is really underrated? Lips of Ashes. It's really amazing if you pay attention to it. The lyrics are incredibly creepy ("touching you.....inside...inside...inside...inside..."). The la-la-las are probably better than those in Trains or Grace For Drowning (the song) or anything else I can think of by SW. Especially that really eerie high pitched falsetto "ahh-ahhh-AHH-ahhh". Oh wow, I really am starting to love this song.
absolutely one of the best PT tracks of all time! it's utterly spellbinding, and a brilliant reuse of parts from a Bass Communion track; SW seems to really have a knack for knowing which pieces fit where.

Yes, HAI, and si!! Lovely, entrancing music.

Ħ · « **Reply #3424 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:49:12 AM »

Quote from: Sigz on March 08, 2012, 11:35:44 PM

I don't see what a melody being 'basic' has anything to do with it's replay value.

There's something about The Incident where if you listen to it maybe 3 or 4 times, there's nothing left to discover. I think it's because the album is so basic. The reason it loses replay value is, for me, replay value is very fueled by constant discovery. Hope that makes sense.

DebraKadabra · « **Reply #3425 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:59:32 AM »

Quote from: The King in Crimson on March 05, 2012, 07:13:48 PM

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on March 05, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
there's a lot more KC influence in SW's solo stuff. like, infinitely more.
GFD is basically 70's Crimson reheated in the microwave with a few added spices.

THIS

Quote from: Ħ on March 08, 2012, 07:22:09 PM

You know what song is really underrated? Lips of Ashes. It's really amazing if you pay attention to it. The lyrics are incredibly creepy ("touching you.....inside...inside...inside...inside..."). The la-la-las are probably better than those in Trains or Grace For Drowning (the song) or anything else I can think of by SW. Especially that really eerie high pitched falsetto "ahh-ahhh-AHH-ahhh". Oh wow, I really am starting to love this song.

Strip The Soul is creepier. Just sayin. But then, SW was pretty much down with the creep on IA anyways.

KevShmev · « **Reply #3426 on:** March 09, 2012, 08:20:14 AM »

Yeah, I have never hidden my love for Lips of Ashes. Tremendous song, and all of those wordless vocals Wilson does are just perfect.

theseoafs · « **Reply #3427 on:** March 09, 2012, 09:23:10 AM »

Quote from: Ħ on March 09, 2012, 01:49:12 AM

Quote from: Sigz on March 08, 2012, 11:35:44 PM
I don't see what a melody being 'basic' has anything to do with it's replay value.
There's something about The Incident where if you listen to it maybe 3 or 4 times, there's nothing left to discover. I think it's because the album is so basic. The reason it loses replay value is, for me, replay value is very fueled by constant discovery. Hope that makes sense.

I don't think that's true. The Incident only really started to make sense to me after 5 or 6 listens. And Porcupine Tree has always been a band with really strong, simple melodies. How is the Incident any simpler than, say, Fear of a Blank Planet?

glaurung · « **Reply #3428 on:** March 09, 2012, 11:16:53 AM »

Quote from: The King in Crimson on March 05, 2012, 07:13:48 PM

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on March 05, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
there's a lot more KC influence in SW's solo stuff. like, infinitely more.
GFD is basically 70's Crimson reheated in the microwave with a few added spices.

I'm not sure I like this because it's making it sound like GFD is derivative from KC. It's very easy to tell he was taking a huge influence from them but to say that GFD is basically King Crimson with a few other parts doesn't sound right to me.

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Author Topic: Porcupine Tree Thread v. Zantera finally got LBS (Read 343624 times)