All Star Trek Discussion Thread ("Into Darkness" trailer released)

[Orbert]

I also have to say, I usually hate the episodes where Star Trek simply transports the main characters into some historical setting. But in the case of Q and the "Merry Men" with Vash, it was totally awesome. Worf's destruction of Geordi's lute is priceless

And a direct shout-out to Animal House, which cracked me up.  I was definitely not expecting it.

[Kotowboy]

Care to elaborate ? I've not seen Animal House.

[yorost]

https://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Qpid_(episode)#Background_Information

Greatest website around for Star Trek fans. It's a detailed, interesting companion to read after every episode you watch. Avoid if you aren't well versed in Star Trek, though, it does end up containing future spoilers sometimes.

Also: https://youtu.be/SOkoIObQQrU

[El Barto]

Care to elaborate ? I've not seen Animal House.

Watch Animal House. It's a fantastic movie. Great story and great characters. Several of them were heroes of mine growing up. Also, It's one of the very finest scores from arguably the greatest cinema composer ever. As with much of his work, Bernstein's music is every bit as much of the movie as any of the actors. Probably the movie's best (and funniest) quality.

[King Postwhore]

Besides, Major league Yabos.  That is all.

[Orbert]

Care to elaborate ? I've not seen Animal House.

I was going to find both scenes, so you could compare them, but someone already did it and saved me the trouble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1xqI_4btnc

[chknptpie]

I recently watched that episode - its hilarious

[BlobVanDam]

I certainly like Q. Well, TNG Q.

I've seen his DS9/VOY episodes a lot more recently, and every single one of them is shit, so unfortunately that's my lasting impression of Q, at least until the next time I watch through TNG.

Obviously his last appearance in TNG was pretty damn good. Looking through the list of his TNG episodes, I'd call half of them good, and the rest pretty bad. All of his other appearances are awful too.

I just hate the concept of the character in general though. Omnipotence and power is always handled in such a heavy handed and narrow minded way in TV shows and movies. When you consider the scope of time and space a being like Q covers, his appearances in Trek just make little sense to me.

[Kotowboy]

Just Watched "Frame Of Mind" again. One of the best TNG episodes, and Frakes did a great job in my opinion.

Those are the kind of episodes I really like - where everything is messed up and you don't know what's going on til the final few mins.

I wish there were more like that.




Also - it would have been cool if *somehow* it made you wonder if Riker really was imagining it - but it's Star Trek so you know he's going to be OK at the end...But would have been cool to explore that premise.

[The King in Crimson]

I certainly like Q. Well, TNG Q.

I've seen his DS9/VOY episodes a lot more recently, and every single one of them is shit, so unfortunately that's my lasting impression of Q, at least until the next time I watch through TNG.

Obviously his last appearance in TNG was pretty damn good. Looking through the list of his TNG episodes, I'd call half of them good, and the rest pretty bad. All of his other appearances are awful too.

I just hate the concept of the character in general though. Omnipotence and power is always handled in such a heavy handed and narrow minded way in TV shows and movies. When you consider the scope of time and space a being like Q covers, his appearances in Trek just make little sense to me.

Well, that's true of TNG episodes in general.

Looking at the list of Q episodes, I'd call only two of them less than good, "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Hide and Q."  Farpoint, well, it's problems are well documented and while I wouldn't blame the Q character for it being bad, he certainly didn't do much to redeem it. Also, for a race of omnipotent beings, they're pretty damn clueless about some basic things. "Hide and Q" is a typical first season episode and, as such, it sucks.

The rest are mostly pretty good. "True Q" is kinda bland, but it's largely inoffensive when compared to other truly bad TNG episodes. I'd say Q episodes have a pretty good batting average, much better than DS9's Ferengi or alternate universe episodes at least.

[rumborak]

Ah yes, I arrived at arguably one of the worst TNG episodes: Skin of Evil, with the blob that kills Tasha.

[King Postwhore]

That's how I picture blob here.  With that terrible voice.

[Kotowboy]

That's how I picture blob here.  With that terrible voice.

Explaining to everyone why they didn't like a particular episode

" OH YOU THOUGHT FRAME OF MIND WAS A DECENT EPISODE. I FOUND FRAKES ACTING OVER THE TOP AND THE SCRIPT WAS UNBELIEVABLE EVEN THOUGH ITS THREE HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW AND ITS FICTON. KNEEL BEFORE BLOB OR I WILL THROW ANOTHER OF YOU ON THE BARBIE !!!

BWA HA HA HA HA HA !!! "

[BlobVanDam]

Ah yes, I arrived at arguably one of the worst TNG episodes: Skin of Evil, with the blob that kills Tasha.

That's one of my favourite episodes for no other reason than the fact they killed Yar. And I'm glad she got the most lame death ever. Hated her character with a passion.

That's how I picture blob here.  With that terrible voice.

No comment.

[JayOctavarium]

That's one of my favourite episodes for no other reason than the fact they killed Yar. And I'm glad she got the most lame death ever. Hated her character with a passion.

THIS

[BlobVanDam]

That's one of my favourite episodes for no other reason than the fact they killed Yar. And I'm glad she got the most lame death ever. Hated her character with a passion.

THIS

[The King in Crimson]

That's one of my favourite episodes for no other reason than the fact they killed Yar. And I'm glad she got the most lame death ever. Hated her character with a passion.

THIS

What? You didn't enjoy being sermonized to about how 'Drugs are bad m'kay'?

[JayOctavarium]

That's one of my favourite episodes for no other reason than the fact they killed Yar. And I'm glad she got the most lame death ever. Hated her character with a passion.

THIS

What? You didn't enjoy being sermonized to about how 'Drugs are bad m'kay'?

The only thing that mattered in that episode is that she was G O N E

[Kotowboy]

I dunno why the writers didn't make Worf - a Klingon warrior - the security officer from the outset.

[JayOctavarium]

I dunno why the writers didn't make Worf - a Klingon warrior - the security officer from the outset.

Because she was more qualified? idk

[Kotowboy]

b...but they wrote that in ! They should have gone " We've got a klingon here - let's make him the ship's butler or something and this whiny scrawny girl the head of security " 

[JayOctavarium]

If she wasn't the head of security then maybe it would have been Worf dying instead of Tasha Yar...

[Kotowboy]

No because Denise Crosby wanted out of the show

[El Barto]

Ah yes, I arrived at arguably one of the worst TNG episodes: Skin of Evil, with the blob that kills Tasha.

That's one of my favourite episodes for no other reason than the fact they killed Yar. And I'm glad she got the most lame death ever. Hated her character with a passion.

They should have written it so that she just spontaneously dropped dead of an aneurism while standing at her station. "Hailing frequencies op--oh, I feel a little--THUD!"

And yeah, her DARE lecture might have been the all time low in a show full of low moments. I've seen Afterschool Specials that were better executed than that.


edit: Best death in Star Trek  This should have been Tasha Yar.

[BlobVanDam]

I dunno why the writers didn't make Worf - a Klingon warrior - the security officer from the outset.

Because she was more qualified? idk

More like it was the late '80s and they were trying to be new age and progressive, with their ship's councilor, and short haired female as the security officer, and a kid flying the ship.

Ah yes, I arrived at arguably one of the worst TNG episodes: Skin of Evil, with the blob that kills Tasha.

That's one of my favourite episodes for no other reason than the fact they killed Yar. And I'm glad she got the most lame death ever. Hated her character with a passion.

They should have written it so that she just spontaneously dropped dead of an aneurism while standing at her station. "Hailing frequencies op--oh, I feel a little--THUD!"

And yeah, her DARE lecture might have been the all time low in a show full of low moments. I've seen Afterschool Specials that were better executed than that.


edit: Best death in Star Trek  This should have been Tasha Yar.

A classic, although I put in my vote for terminal diarrhea, or an allergic reaction to a space peanut and her throat closed off and nobody bothered to help her.

[Kotowboy]

I watched that episode tonight. Something akin to that for Trek 3 would be good.

A black hole where all the physics are messed up.

Not just generic bad guy VS Federation for the 5th time in a row.

[JayOctavarium]

Sitting in theater waiting for the new movie. Finally

[Kotowboy]

Been watching a lot of TNG on NetFlix recently.

And i've decided that Jon Frakes is the second best regular actor on the show after Patrick Stewart.

He's really good IMO.

[rumborak]

Here's another actor connection I never realized until now: Kehlyr (Worf's love interest is the same woman as the woman in the DS9 genetically engineered trio.

[yorost]

The trio was a quad, and they weren't played by the same actress according to Alpha.

[El Barto]

Don't know which trio (or quad) you're referring to, but it doesn't appear she was ever in DS9. All the other series, though. Never noticed she was the female Q, but in retrospect it seems pretty obvious.

[yorost]

There were four genetically engineered patients Bashir helped over two episodes. ...a nut, a ghost, a child, and a stalker. He was referring to the stalker, I think.

[El Barto]

Oh, those guys. The first one was a pretty cool episode. Not sure why you call the old one a ghost, though. The nut always made me think of Gomez Adams.

[yorost]

Old one was the child.

[El Barto]

Ah, that makes more sense.

Just noticed that episode was directed by Potsie Weber. Knew he was a director, but forgot he'd worked on ST.