The Lady Gaga corner V. Popopo papapa rororo ale alejandro

[KevShmev]

Wham's "Careless Whisper" is a better pop song than any pop song mentioned in this thread thus far.

[Ravenheart]

As far as I'm concerned, Emilie Simon's Vegetal is the quintessential "pop" album 

[faemir]

Not talking about prog at all

My point is that complaining of what pop music is - it is so because the casual listener of music only wants shallow, catchy <3minute songs. It doesn't matter if you try to get them to listen to prog or metal or jazz or dubstep, they won't be interested, just as casual watchers don't really care about dvd vs. bluray.

Lady Gaga however, is at the forefront of pop music at the moment, writing the bestp pop music out today, and she's the one writing it, not some faceless writer behind yet another hot looking woman. Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play. She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.

If that's not enough for you, well then I don't know what is.

[The Degenerate]

While I'm not a huge fan of her music, I can agree with what faemir says. I definitely like her more than most current pop stars...

[Ħ]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

[mizzl]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

Yeah, but whatcha gonna do about that?

[Adami]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

So?

[skydivingninja]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

So?

[ClairvoyantCat]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

It seems an appropriate subject for the kind of music, don't you think? 

I couldn't imagine her singing about existentialism or something like that with this kind of music, so I don't see any problem with the sexually charged lyrics. 

[antigoon]

You sound like a concerned, out of touch mother, memberH.

[ClairvoyantCat]

You sound like a concerned, out of touch mother, memberH.

motherh

[chknptpie]

What else would pop music be written about besides the most popular thing? 

[Ravenheart]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

You're not even saying anything anymore.

[ClairvoyantCat]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

I understand where you're coming from, but singing about sex can have an appeal.  It's like quick attack, really, it can catch the audience quickly and have up to 50% effect on them!  You can also make use of the clever "Rock-slide" kind of lyrics, but there's a time and a place.  Sexually charged lyrics are well known to be essential in the pokemon fight of music.

[Ravenheart]

Life is really just a big cycle of quick attacks and rock-slides.

[ClairvoyantCat]

We go through the motions, quick-attacking everything that moves, but the sad fact is that the inevitable rock-slide of time is going to get us all in the end.

[jsem]

 

[Sigz]

*reads last four pages of thread*

WTF

[tjanuranus]

Not talking about prog at all

My point is that complaining of what pop music is - it is so because the casual listener of music only wants shallow, catchy <3minute songs. It doesn't matter if you try to get them to listen to prog or metal or jazz or dubstep, they won't be interested, just as casual watchers don't really care about dvd vs. bluray.

Lady Gaga however, is at the forefront of pop music at the moment, writing the bestp pop music out today, and she's the one writing it, not some faceless writer behind yet another hot looking woman. Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play. She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.

If that's not enough for you, well then I don't know what is.

I understand what you are saying and that's fine but i would argue that the writing her own songs things is way over blown. Red one is responsible for her sound and probably writes most of the stuff. She probably writes the lyrics.

Nadir Khayat, known by the stage name RedOne, was born in Tétouan, Morocco[1] and is a 2 time Grammy Award-winning and 4 time Grammy Nominee Swedish producer/songwriter.[2][3] He has been described as the key to Lady Gaga's musical sound.[4] In 2010, RedOne established his own record label named 2101 Records as a joint venture with Universal International Music, an administrative unit of Universal Music Group. Each artist signed to the 2101/Universal venture will be released via a record label within Universal Music Group. Mohombi was the first artist to be signed to the label.[5]

In 2010, RedOne received 4 Grammy nominations at the 52nd Grammy Awards including Album of the Year as a producer for Lady Gaga's The Fame, Record of the Year and Best Dance Recording as producer, and Song of the Year as a songwriter for Gaga's hit single "Poker Face", later resulting in the win for Best Dance Recording.[2] In 2011, RedOne was nominated for a Grammy Award for Producer of the Year (non-classical). He was also nominated for Album of the Year, a second time in a row, for his contributions to Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster as a producer.

[Gadough]

*reads last four pages of thread*

WTF

You're just in time for the fun! Feel free to jump in whenever you'd like.

[Nighthawkwill7]

Not talking about prog at all

My point is that complaining of what pop music is - it is so because the casual listener of music only wants shallow, catchy <3minute songs. It doesn't matter if you try to get them to listen to prog or metal or jazz or dubstep, they won't be interested, just as casual watchers don't really care about dvd vs. bluray.

Lady Gaga however, is at the forefront of pop music at the moment, writing the bestp pop music out today, and she's the one writing it, not some faceless writer behind yet another hot looking woman. Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play. She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.

If that's not enough for you, well then I don't know what is.

I understand what you are saying but and that's fine but i would argue that the writing her own songs things is way over blown. Red one is responsible for her sound and probably writes most of the stuff. She probably writes the lyrics.

Nadir Khayat, known by the stage name RedOne, was born in Tétouan, Morocco[1] and is a 2 time Grammy Award-winning and 4 time Grammy Nominee Swedish producer/songwriter.[2][3] He has been described as the key to Lady Gaga's musical sound.[4] In 2010, RedOne established his own record label named 2101 Records as a joint venture with Universal International Music, an administrative unit of Universal Music Group. Each artist signed to the 2101/Universal venture will be released via a record label within Universal Music Group. Mohombi was the first artist to be signed to the label.[5]

In 2010, RedOne received 4 Grammy nominations at the 52nd Grammy Awards including Album of the Year as a producer for Lady Gaga's The Fame, Record of the Year and Best Dance Recording as producer, and Song of the Year as a songwriter for Gaga's hit single "Poker Face", later resulting in the win for Best Dance Recording.[2] In 2011, RedOne was nominated for a Grammy Award for Producer of the Year (non-classical). He was also nominated for Album of the Year, a second time in a row, for his contributions to Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster as a producer.

Well, This is all very silly...

[TL]

Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play.

If she was commercially releasing piano based songs, that might actually be relevant.
It would be a bit like saying the movie 'Jack' is automatically good because the same director was also capable of making something like 'The Godfather'. If anything, having talent but squandering it is actually sadder.

She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.

She's good at marketing and knows how to pander very well. She has also done a fantastic job of convincing people that a weak, watered down version of David Bowie's style from the '70s is creative and original.
Plus, those things don't change how the music sounds.

[The Degenerate]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

Your posts are always a joy, Mistah H.

[Ben_Jamin]

Better to let em be, then shove stuff like Opeth, PT in their face any chance you get.

My friend likes Rap and Hip-Hop yet he liked Blackwater Park. Didn't buy it but he still enjoyed it.

I like pop songs every now and then, hell I enjoy the Spice Girls song Viva Forever, and Selenas Dreaming of You.

Also, I just saw Alejandro on tv earlier, I enjoyed it up until the chorus.

[faemir]

Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play.

If she was commercially releasing piano based songs, that might actually be relevant.
It would be a bit like saying the movie 'Jack' is automatically good because the same director was also capable of making something like 'The Godfather'. If anything, having talent but squandering it is actually sadder.

She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.

She's good at marketing and knows how to pander very well. She has also done a fantastic job of convincing people that a weak, watered down version of David Bowie's style from the '70s is creative and original.
Plus, those things don't change how the music sounds.

She's applied her skills well in writing to make good songs - it just so happens that songs like Paparazzi work better non-acoustically. Last time she has a piano heavy song called Speechless so i'm sure she can play in that. And just because she's good at piano doesn't mean she has to play it well to exploit that. You might prefer a piano romp, but clearly she prefers to translate that initial writing to synth-heavy songs.

She knows how to market and pander really well? I don't see any other pop artists doing half of what she's pushing. Watered-down David Bowie? I'm not sure what to make of that, her songs are broad enough in style as it is, and I'm not seeing the comparison.

[jsem]

Better to let em be, then shove stuff like Opeth, PT in their face any chance you get.

My friend likes Rap and Hip-Hop yet he liked Blackwater Park. Didn't buy it but he still enjoyed it.

I like pop songs every now and then, hell I enjoy the Spice Girls song Viva Forever, and Selenas Dreaming of You.

Also, I just saw Alejandro on tv earlier, I enjoyed it up until the chorus.

Most young people these days don't buy pop music anyway. They DL it.

[Ben_Jamin]

True, but they're the ones who aren't into music, and are into something else. The world isn't just about music, yes its a wonder, but their is more important matters than music. They just view it as something that's cool to enjoy. Plain and simple, guess that's how I can enjoy many styles of music and other arts.

[faemir]

Better to let em be, then shove stuff like Opeth, PT in their face any chance you get.

My friend likes Rap and Hip-Hop yet he liked Blackwater Park. Didn't buy it but he still enjoyed it.

I like pop songs every now and then, hell I enjoy the Spice Girls song Viva Forever, and Selenas Dreaming of You.

Also, I just saw Alejandro on tv earlier, I enjoyed it up until the chorus.

Most young people these days don't buy pop music anyway. They DL it.

Far more young people buy pop music from itunes than pirate it. You're overestimating the technological competance of the general population.

[Zook]

Like most have already said, the majority of people out there aren't going to be mesmerized by that technical yet melodic and catchy solo by that awesome guitarist, like you and me. If they can't dance to it, they don't give a fuck.

I checked out that Just Dance video just to see if Lady Gaga was actually attractive or not in said video, and at certain times, she actually was (and the song wasn't even half bad) but fuck, on recent magazine covers, she looks atrocious.

Also, back in Florida when I was able to listen to my music in my friend's car, he would say that the particular song I was listening to had no beat when clearly it did (all music has a beat), but being a mostly mainstream rap, rock and hip hop fan, he wasn't getting the same "feeling" from the song that I was.

[faemir]

vs.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"

Your posts are always a joy, Mistah H.

Meh. I get where he's coming from. I don't wanna listen to something that's the same as a bunch of other things.

[Adami]

Lady Gaga is no more "the same" as all pop music, than DT is "the same" as all prog rock music.

[ClairvoyantCat]

...and I honestly wouldn't really care if it was. 

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Lady Gaga is no more "the same" as all pop music, than DT is "the same" as all prog rock music.

I don't really see how DT is "the same", with Octavarium being the exception. All of this pop sounds exactly the same to me. And I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.

[King Postwhore]

She's talented as all hell but I don't like the techno dancing sound.  She's much better organic.