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Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
« Reply #1156 on: November 11, 2019, 05:13:01 PM »
James can convey emotion. He can make you feel stuff. I don't think Russ Allen could match that. Sure, if you like Russ Allen, fine, but I just would not be able to connect to Dream Theater they way I have had it not been for James.

Agreed. Tastes and all but I can't see Russell Allen being the one to lift the band over what JLB did. Just my opinion. Maybe there is someone who would have made them bigger but I really doubt it. The music just isn't meant for the masses, no singer would have changed that.

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« Reply #1157 on: November 11, 2019, 05:16:40 PM »
It's like they know it's time for an album cycle...time.to rev up the controversy

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« Reply #1158 on: November 11, 2019, 05:18:48 PM »
James can convey emotion. He can make you feel stuff. I don't think Russ Allen could match that.

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« Reply #1159 on: November 11, 2019, 05:21:33 PM »
James can convey emotion. He can make you feel stuff. I don't think Russ Allen could match that. Sure, if you like Russ Allen, fine, but I just would not be able to connect to Dream Theater they way I have had it not been for James.

Well, Russ CAN convey great emotion when he wants to. Paradise Lost (the song) is one of my favorite songs with his vocals because of that very thing. Unfortunately, he seems to really be into the "tough guy vocals" mindset and he's been using that approach for most of the albums he's done in the past decade. Mike P seems to like that approach, as he did some stuff with AMOB and then recruited poor man's Russell for SOA (JSS).

However, I agree that Allen wouldn't be a very good fit for DT, as their most famous and loved material calls for that operatic approach Russ doesn't do really. Someone like Fabio Lione would be a much much better fit for DT imo.
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« Reply #1160 on: November 11, 2019, 05:32:10 PM »
Meh, Portnoy is only human. It was a stupid thing to say but I think people come down on him pretty hard. In the past decade he’s said maybe a handful of negative things about his former band. It’s easy to say that DT has acted with perfect class in all this when they are the ones doing the world tours and getting charting albums using the b(r)and which Portnoy played a very large role in building a grass roots fan base for, meanwhile Portnoy is wallowing in super group hell on the cruise ship circuit. Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him. Obviously there’s bad personal feelings on Both sides.

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.
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Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
« Reply #1161 on: November 11, 2019, 05:33:46 PM »
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?
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Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
« Reply #1162 on: November 11, 2019, 05:43:21 PM »
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?

They didn’t. The idea that they did is crazy. And the suggestion that MP has only said a ‘handful’ of things this past decade is just as crazy. He said a handful of things in the first week after the split.

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« Reply #1163 on: November 11, 2019, 05:50:40 PM »
I get that many have said "I'd like Dream Theater more if they had a different singer," but so what?  You are not going to please everyone, and LaBrie, despite his live struggles over the years, has earned his rep as one of the best and most iconic rock singers in the prog/prog metal genre. 

And yeah, it is laughable to suggest that the band burned Mike Portnoy.  Not just laughable, but myopic and biased.  He left, they moved on. End of story.

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« Reply #1164 on: November 11, 2019, 05:58:04 PM »
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

I think most said that because they broke at a time where most hair metal bands had operatic singers with high voices.

Grunge was becoming popular so people were rebelling against that style of singing. 
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« Reply #1165 on: November 11, 2019, 06:01:33 PM »
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.

What a bizarre thing to say.  Even MP doesn't believe this.  That really isn't supported by, well, anything.
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« Reply #1166 on: November 11, 2019, 06:02:26 PM »
In fact he burnt himself on DT.
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« Reply #1167 on: November 11, 2019, 06:03:49 PM »

I think most said that because they broke at a time where most hair metal bands had operatic singers with high voices.

Grunge was becoming popular so people were rebelling against that style of singing.

And yet here we are decades with James still doing well as the lead singer of the band, while most grunge bands sucked ass and had the shelf life of a carton of milk. :coolio :hat

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« Reply #1168 on: November 11, 2019, 06:08:25 PM »
Every genre goes though the next generation fighting to make their own mark. The good bands play through generations. 
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« Reply #1169 on: November 11, 2019, 06:12:11 PM »
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?

They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation” and before the ink was dry (less than 2 months by estimation) would not let him back in band. Now you can say he left first, they had a commitment with Mangini, Mike screwed himself, and that’s fine. I agree they had ZERO obligation to work things out or let him back in. But, in my opinion, it’s a bit cold to close the door on a 25 year relationship because a founding member (who we ALL know is hot headed) had a few week lapse in judgement. That, to me, is a cold burn.

Again, I want to be clear I’m not saying DT acted wrongly, it is what it is, and I’m sure, at the time it was a shitty situation for all involved. And it’s true, Portnoy opened that can of worms, but it appears DT was VERY eager to drop him like a hot potato.

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« Reply #1170 on: November 11, 2019, 06:13:32 PM »
Russell Allen is my favorite singer and I don't think he'd fit in DT. He just has a different style. That being said, anyone judging his abilities based on Adrenaline Mob is being completely unfair to him.

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« Reply #1171 on: November 11, 2019, 06:17:19 PM »
When one guy in the band pushes his agenda bands push back.  (Perry, DeYoung)

Even if they are the driving force a band is a team.  Sometimes the other just can't deal with that person anymore. 
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« Reply #1172 on: November 11, 2019, 06:17:34 PM »

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.

But he knew he had a mic in front of him at that time, and chose to say what he said, and then sheepishly acted innocent.  I didn't hear a retraction or a 'oh, c'mon, man, I was just frickin' kidding' line that followed.  I'm not angry or up in arms or disappointed at what he said, and then did not say.  It was the same old tiring line from him that I've grown accustomed to.
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Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
« Reply #1173 on: November 11, 2019, 06:27:03 PM »
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?

They basically called his bluff ….. And it’s true, Portnoy opened that can of worms, but it appears DT was VERY eager to drop him like a hot potato.

Yes, I agree with all of this, actually, and it's exactly as I see it. I said at the time the band called his bluff.

He was done with them, and obviously they were done with him.

Listen, I loved MP, and he was by far my favorite member of the band, but I cannot support the opinion that he was burned.
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« Reply #1174 on: November 11, 2019, 06:28:09 PM »

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.

But he knew he had a mic in front of him at that time, and chose to say what he said, and then sheepishly acted innocent.  I didn't hear a retraction or a 'oh, c'mon, man, I was just frickin' kidding' line that followed.  I'm not angry or up in arms or disappointed at what he said, and then did not say.  It was the same old tiring line from him that I've grown accustomed to.

Yep. MPs bravado and ego and narcissism and arrogance and everything associated with it is just expected now. At one time I’d hoped for more from him....maybe a tad bit of humility and humbleness but I know that’s wishful thinking.

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« Reply #1175 on: November 11, 2019, 06:35:23 PM »
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.
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« Reply #1176 on: November 11, 2019, 06:38:41 PM »
Asking 4 other bandmates to take a 5 year break is asking a lot.

Mike made it about himself and I suspect they had a lot of that over the years.
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« Reply #1177 on: November 11, 2019, 06:39:14 PM »

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.

But he knew he had a mic in front of him at that time, and chose to say what he said, and then sheepishly acted innocent.  I didn't hear a retraction or a 'oh, c'mon, man, I was just frickin' kidding' line that followed.  I'm not angry or up in arms or disappointed at what he said, and then did not say.  It was the same old tiring line from him that I've grown accustomed to.

Yeah, we've all said things we regret but I'd like to think if we truly regretted them we would retract what we said. Maybe even apologize. If not, it's safe to assume we still believe those things.

Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

If Russell Allen sang for DT I wouldn’t be a fan.   I’m in because of James.   


...and people take for granted his amazing range, even to this day. Sure he struggled more now that he's in his 50s but shit, he can still do a lot of things other vocalists can't and while I'm not too familiar with Russell Allen, I think Russell would have to make some SERIOUS adjustments to most of the DT catalog to get through a show. James makes minimal adjustments and can typically stay about 90-95% loyal to some of the more challenging songs.

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Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
« Reply #1178 on: November 11, 2019, 06:46:12 PM »
It's amazing that we are on the cusp of a new decade, and Portnoy is still Portnoying as always.

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« Reply #1179 on: November 11, 2019, 06:50:43 PM »
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« Reply #1180 on: November 11, 2019, 06:51:48 PM »
It's amazing that we are on the cusp of a new decade, and Portnoy is still Portnoying as always.

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« Reply #1181 on: November 11, 2019, 06:52:04 PM »
Oh Mike.....you really should focus on developing that brain to mouth filter man.



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« Reply #1182 on: November 11, 2019, 06:52:49 PM »
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« Reply #1183 on: November 11, 2019, 06:56:11 PM »
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« Reply #1184 on: November 11, 2019, 06:59:18 PM »
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

"Calling his bluff" is how I read the situation.

Are saying that they wanted MP to do the album, but they'd tour with a fill in drummer? Are you sure it's not a case of "We'd love for you to stay.....(not really).."

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« Reply #1185 on: November 11, 2019, 06:59:43 PM »
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« Reply #1186 on: November 11, 2019, 07:02:23 PM »
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

"Calling his bluff" is how I read the situation.

Are saying that they wanted MP to do the album, but they'd tour with a fill in drummer? Are you sure it's not a case of "We'd love for you to stay.....(not really).."

No, I'm saying they wanted MP to do the album and tour.  But he said no. 
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« Reply #1187 on: November 11, 2019, 07:05:23 PM »
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

I guess I’m unaware of the historical inaccuracies. Portnoy left the band in September, asked to rejoin in December but the damage was done, by late 2010/early 2011 communications appear to be completely broken down and the door was shut to Portnoy. Auditions for a new drummer had began by November. My “calling his bluff” is more a read between the lines assessment of the situation. Again I won’t claim that DT didn’t try to work things out prior to the public announcements. What is certain is that the situation escalated rapidly and deteriorated even faster. I’m also sure that Portnoy is reluctant in admitting he was holding the band hostage with power plays. I’m actually amazed he admits, publicly, he wanted to rejoin DT almost immediately.
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Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
« Reply #1188 on: November 11, 2019, 07:14:59 PM »
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

"Calling his bluff" is how I read the situation.

Are saying that they wanted MP to do the album, but they'd tour with a fill in drummer? Are you sure it's not a case of "We'd love for you to stay.....(not really).."

No, I'm saying they wanted MP to do the album and tour.  But he said no.

So..

Band-"Even though you think the band should take a break, we don't think so, and we still want you to do the album and the tour"
MP-" I think we need a break"
Band-"Well we don't think so"
MP-"Then I have to leave"
Band-"Well we wish you wouldn't but if that's your choice so be it. We are going to continue."


I mean, if you are alluding that Dream Theater has told you differently, then by all means, please share, unless it was told to you confidentially. I believe JP has always said the right, positive spin responses publicly, and likely privately to you. There is no way that he will ever say that they were glad he left.
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« Reply #1189 on: November 11, 2019, 07:19:38 PM »
Band-"Even though you think the band should take a break, we don't think so, and we still want you to do the album and the tour"
MP-" I think we need a break"
Band-"Well we don't think so"
MP-"Then I have to leave"
Band-"Well we wish you wouldn't but if that's your choice so be it. We are going to continue."

No, I think that's fairly accurate in comparison to what has come out publicly.  But "calling a bluff" implies trying to manipulate the situation for a particular outcome that isn't apparent on its face.  This isn't that.  They wanted him to stay.  But they weren't about to sacrifice what they had all had planned and were, by all accounts, completely transparent about that.
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