A case for involving JLB more in the songwriting

[Adami]

Indeed. No more circus music moments, please.

Ok, I gotta ask - my friend has always said that there's some sort of circus music bit in Octavarium. Is this what you're talking about and, if so, what part is that? I've never known...

Octavarium? Maybe a little of his crap during the instrumental section, but generally that album is low on Rudess BS. ToT on the other hand is not.

[Perpetual Change]

Rudess is perfectly fine. I'd like to hear him do more zany stuff. I realize some people feel like they're less mainly when the circus sounds come in on Train of Thought, but I personally don't care. Gimmie more of those goofy patches. Makes things interesting.

[Unimatrix]

Circus music! 

[MemoryScenes]

Indeed. No more circus music moments, please.

Ok, I gotta ask - my friend has always said that there's some sort of circus music bit in Octavarium. Is this what you're talking about and, if so, what part is that? I've never known...

On the album or in the song?
My favorite riff in Sacrificed Sons sounds a little circus-like (around 7:19, and again in the outro).

[lithium112]

On the album or in the song?
My favorite riff in Sacrificed Sons sounds a little circus-like (around 7:19, and again in the outro).

He was definitely talking about the song. I'll see if I can clarify the part with him (if he knows what I'm talking about... we had this discussion a long time ago lol).

[pogoowner]

Indeed. No more circus music moments, please.

Ok, I gotta ask - my friend has always said that there's some sort of circus music bit in Octavarium. Is this what you're talking about and, if so, what part is that? I've never known...

Your friend is probably referring to something between 17:29 and 17:50.

[lithium112]

Indeed. No more circus music moments, please.

Ok, I gotta ask - my friend has always said that there's some sort of circus music bit in Octavarium. Is this what you're talking about and, if so, what part is that? I've never known...

Your friend is probably referring to something between 17:29 and 17:50.

Oh! Yeah that makes sense. Though I've never really heard that and thought "circus music" I could see how others may get that impression. Thanks!

[emindead]

I for one have never seen a single video in which James was in the same room in which music was written.

rumborak

The making of Train of Thought.

[MirzekDT]

I for one have never seen a single video in which James was in the same room in which music was written.

rumborak

The making of Train of Thought.

James wasn't there when TOT was written he was there when TOT was recorded. There are two different videos of making of TOT (one is about writing and another about recording) But as somebody already said he was in studio during writing of 8VM and SC

[jonny108]

I for one have never seen a single video in which James was in the same room in which music was written.

rumborak

The making of Train of Thought.

James wasn't there when TOT was written he was there when TOT was recorded. There are two different videos of making of TOT (one is about writing and another about recording) But as somebody already said he was in studio during writing of 8VM and SC

He was there when TOT was written. He's the guy that films it!! If you read the book, it tells you that the guys said he needed to make more a presence during the writting so he went down during the 3 weeks that they wrote it.

[MirzekDT]

I for one have never seen a single video in which James was in the same room in which music was written.

rumborak

The making of Train of Thought.

James wasn't there when TOT was written he was there when TOT was recorded. There are two different videos of making of TOT (one is about writing and another about recording) But as somebody already said he was in studio during writing of 8VM and SC

He was there when TOT was written. He's the guy that films it!! If you read the book, it tells you that the guys said he needed to make more a presence during the writting so he went down during the 3 weeks that they wrote it.

Oh you are right sorry my bad... I just watched the video and he speaks at the end of the writing I thought he wasn't there beacuse songs in TOT booklet are credited to Petrucci, Portnoy, Myung, Rudess and in 8VM and SC the credits are just Dream Theter and in BC&SL again only Petrucci, Portnoy, Myung, Rudess so he probably didn't do anything during TOT but you are right that he was there

[Bargey]

As great as the guys in DT are individually as musicians, I find that DT's best stuff is where there is a collaboration between all of them and the whole becomes greater than the sum of it's parts. Some of my favourite DT songs involve JLB's lyrics (Blind Faith, Medicate Me, Disappear, One Last Time) so I'd love to see him contribute more to DT's music from here on out. Likewise JMX, his lyrics are completely different to the rest of the guys and add some nice variety. I'm hoping one of the few good things to come from Mike not being around next time is that everyone will contribute more to the band, and I find that prospect quite exciting.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

I don't know if this has jack to do with songwriting, but I just listened to "Beyond This Life" for the first time in awhile and JLB sounded out of this world.