Poll: Bush better president than Obama

[EPICVIEW]

There is no solid evidence in either of those clippings that says that he was a terrorist. Only that he had contact with someone with radical views. And I don't doubt that Awlaki had no knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Just because somebody has extreme views doesn't mean they act on them.

I think a lot of people these days are far too quick to label Muslims as terrorists if they have extreme views

but he acted on them..so what should we call him? a Boy Scout?


The funny part is Obama wont call him a terrorist.. in Obamas world nobody is a terrorist..they dont even exist..and thats dangerous..

[EPICVIEW]

Now...can you imagine if this was GWBs history of appointments?...

if it was..Id hate GWB..LOL

[Durg]

I agree 100% with Tick...and who was Obama? he is not qualified for much...But Soros bought that election

we were told he was the great "orator" and he cant even form a sentence without a teleprompter..

GWB would screw up a few words with no teleprompter talking from the heart, and the media would scream that GWB was an idiot..

Man do I hate the Liberal media..

so you are siding with a spoiled drunk who got the job thanks to his daddy than a guy who actually worked with the poor and worked his way up the party on his own? good to know.

Yea I guess that's true.  I believe he likes working with the poor.  It's pretty obvious since he's working so hard to make us all poor.

[EPICVIEW]

I agree 100% with Tick...and who was Obama? he is not qualified for much...But Soros bought that election

we were told he was the great "orator" and he cant even form a sentence without a teleprompter..

GWB would screw up a few words with no teleprompter talking from the heart, and the media would scream that GWB was an idiot..

Man do I hate the Liberal media..

so you are siding with a spoiled drunk who got the job thanks to his daddy than a guy who actually worked with the poor and worked his way up the party on his own? good to know.

Yea I guess that's true.  I believe he likes working with the poor.  It's pretty obvious since he's working so hard to make us all poor.

LOL..good one!!

[William Wallace]

I can't help but groan when I see people attempting to defend Bush. There's no reason to try and rank him in a historical context yet, but that shouldn't prevent us from acknowledging that the man was a horrible president. On every front, from protecting civil liberties to reducing the size government, things conservatives supposedly stand for, W. sucked out loud. What's more, Obama is essentially no different, but somehow Obama is a "radical." What a bunch of bullshit.

I guess I'l post this again; it's my favorite demolishing of the "OMG Obama's a radical socialist!" argument.
https://reason.com/archives/2009/10/08/obama-and-the-socialist-canard

[eric42434224]

your epic view of teh world is too much for me to handle, i will let you stay in your world and please keep out of our sane world.

fine ...

but in the sane world.. we see that Obama is spending us into bankruptcy...

Bush started the spending far before Obama did. We were essentially bankrupt when he took office. The continued spending doesn't help, but what else do you suggest he do?

We can't raise taxes to make money; that's a big no-no

We can't spend money on programs to help people/business stay afloat to stimulate the economy (if only a little bit), because that's a no-no too


Any solutions?

How about instead of the focus being corporate bailouts and an infrastructure stimulus, you take some of that money and make it available for the small businessman who is teetering on going out of business the availability for funds to stay a float?  If small business survives, people are working. If people are working, the economy works better.
If business's close more people lose homes and the deeper the shit becomes.
The stimulus was poorly thought out. America needs people to work to thrive. If business has no access to loans, were doomed.

Only problem with that is it would be a logistical impossibility.  You cant make small loans to millions of small companies....the due diligence, application and approval process, and administration and collection of the loans...would be a nightmare.
The only thing that the govt could do was to make sure the only infrastructure that could do the small business loans (the banks) stayed healthy.  There were requirements in the bailout to make sure the banks loaned money out and get credit unfroxzen.  Did it work?  Not as good as hoped...but there really wanst any other realistic alterrnative.

[EPICVIEW]

this was interesting:

IQ Obama vs GWB

How come Obama's IQ. is lower then Bush's?
Bush 148
Obama 128

[PlaysLikeMyung]

The Intelligence Quotient isn't an accurate measure of intelligence, as you should know. Depending on how old you were when you were tested and a bunch of other variables, it can change

My IQ was tested at 13 and it was 130. But how do I know it's the same today?

[EPICVIEW]

The Intelligence Quotient isn't an accurate measure of intelligence, as you should know. Depending on how old you were when you were tested and a bunch of other variables, it can change

My IQ was tested at 13 and it was 130. But how do I know it's the same today?

mine is in that range also...

Im not sure what it means...all I know is GWB can fly a plane...Ive never seen Obama even drive a car. LOL

[Perpetual Change]

Bush's IQ is 148? You gotta be shittin' me.

[EPICVIEW]

Bush's IQ is 148? You gotta be shittin' me.

look it up..see what you find..be objective

[eric42434224]

Bush's IQ is 148? You gotta be shittin' me.

You forgot the decimal
it was .148
and it wasnt his IQ, it was his BAC

[EPICVIEW]

Bush's IQ is 148? You gotta be shittin' me.

You forgot the decimal
it was .148
and it wasnt his IQ, it was his BAC

haha   

[Adami]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

[EPICVIEW]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

[eric42434224]

this was interesting:

IQ Obama vs GWB

How come Obama's IQ. is lower then Bush's?
Bush 148
Obama 128

source?

[Adami]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

[EPICVIEW]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

from looking at a bunch of thier IQ's..suffice to say they are close...they both are between 120 and 130

[eric42434224]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

I think it might have been 2006
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9221.2006.00524.x/pdf

[eric42434224]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

from looking at a bunch of thier IQ's..suffice to say they are close...they both are between 120 and 130

so where did you get 148 for bush?

[EPICVIEW]

I know who can throw a better first pitch at a ball game..!!!

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

Bush's IQ is 148? You gotta be shittin' me.

You forgot the decimal
it was .148
and it wasnt his IQ, it was his BAC

Now that's some funny shit right there.  

[Adami]

Who cares?

I don't judge a president based on their IQs or potential IQ's. I don't base it off of their history or their personal life. I base it 100% solely on what they do as president.

That said. Bush did really really bad and dumb things.

Obama has done very little to correct said things.

So I'd say Bush was a terrible president, and as of yet, Obama is a worthless president.

[EPICVIEW]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

from looking at a bunch of thier IQ's..suffice to say they are close...they both are between 120 and 130

so where did you get 148 for bush?

prove it not...arent you worried about why I said Obamas was so high?

[eric42434224]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

from looking at a bunch of thier IQ's..suffice to say they are close...they both are between 120 and 130

so where did you get 148 for bush?

prove it not...arent you worried about why I said Obamas was so high?

cant prove a negative.  I guess you just made it up.

[EPICVIEW]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

from looking at a bunch of thier IQ's..suffice to say they are close...they both are between 120 and 130

so where did you get 148 for bush?

prove it not...arent you worried about why I said Obamas was so high?

cant prove a negative.  I guess you just made it up.

again....do some research and be objective...try to find a good source..

[eric42434224]

The Journal of Psychology estimated that Bush's IQ was about 125.

Let's also note that IQ greatly measures memory, and from what I understand he has a great memory. That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

estimated? and what did they estimate Obamas..

They haven't. It was done in 2008 I believe. But I think they estimated clintons at 148.

from looking at a bunch of thier IQ's..suffice to say they are close...they both are between 120 and 130

so where did you get 148 for bush?

prove it not...arent you worried about why I said Obamas was so high?

cant prove a negative.  I guess you just made it up.

again....do some research and be objective...try to find a good source..

Already did.  125.  I guess you just think that misunderestimates his intelligence

[Adami]

Yea I looked around at a bunch of sites too, 125 seems to be the general answer.

And stop the quoting, good xenu.

[EPICVIEW]

I can't help but groan when I see people attempting to defend Bush. There's no reason to try and rank him in a historical context yet, but that shouldn't prevent us from acknowledging that the man was a horrible president. On every front, from protecting civil liberties to reducing the size government, things conservatives supposedly stand for, W. sucked out loud. What's more, Obama is essentially no different, but somehow Obama is a "radical." What a bunch of bullshit.

I guess I'l post this again; it's my favorite demolishing of the "OMG Obama's a radical socialist!" argument.
https://reason.com/archives/2009/10/08/obama-and-the-socialist-canard

I jsut listed the reasons... how many attacks on the USA did we have after 9/11...and then how many after Obama got into office?...why is Obama looking to dismantle the HSA?


and what right did youy lose under GWB?...that cannard is really BS,  find out about how Obamas is taking your rights away..with healthcare...thats a real canard there

[EPICVIEW]

Yea I looked around at a bunch of sites too, 125 seems to be the general answer.

And stop the quoting, good xenu.

yep...I agree...they both are pretty close..the point being the beloved genius Obama is not a genius..unless GWB is a genius too...LOL..

to my point..the media each day beat the drum that GWB was an idiot..and they tell us each day Obama is a genius...thats BS

[Adami]

IQ has nothing to do with being a genius.

[EPICVIEW]

IQ has nothing to do with being a genius.

If you insist..I understand your macro point..

[eric42434224]

I met Bush once.  He was at a restaurant one night after a fund raiser.  I was there picking up wings.  I stood with him and a couple other people, and talked for a few minutes.  I definitely felt he has a certain charisma, and seemed intelligent.....but some of the things he would say would have me go  .
The first thing I said about Obama after watching a speech was that he was light years ahead in his mastery of public speaking and communication.
I dont feel either of them are geniuses, or retards.  They are both intelligent men as far as I can tell.

[EPICVIEW]

I met Bush once.  He was at a restaurant one night after a fund raiser.  I was there picking up wings.  I stood with him and a couple other people, and talked for a few minutes.  I definitely felt he has a certain charisma, and seemed intelligent.....but some of the things he would say would have me go  .
The first thing I said about Obama after watching a speech was that he was light years ahead in his mastery of public speaking and communication.
I dont feel either of them are geniuses, or retards.  They are both intelligent men as far as I can tell.

well..that was kinda objective..

My issues on Obama I have posted here...I also think Obama is dangerous and if you dont think Obama says stupid things then I dont know what to say..unless you just believe that the GOP is the "enemy" lol..

PS: How were the wings?

[Seventh Son]

Obama is no more dangerous than Bush was.