Poll: Bush better president than Obama

[EPICVIEW]

He sees us as the enemy obviously

Only to you and fellow haters.

hater? you have me confused with Jeremiah Wright...LOL...Im just viewing the total mosaic of this Obama..

No.  Not confused.  Your posts have given us a pretty good "mosaic" of EPICVIEW.

I gave you facts.. he carried the book, is photod with it.. and taught from it.. its a hate filled book.and shows us what he believes in as far as social re-engineering..

[EPICVIEW]

I dont get it.. I gave my reasons.. gave the back up..and showed why I dislike Obama..a lot.

My question is "This Obama aint nothing like GWB..and I ask why would I like Obama?


simple question to the people who like Obama...why do you like him?
please list reasons to like him? I DONT SEE IT!!!!!! at all

[El Barto]

Honestly, dude, not many people here actually do like him.  We just think your reasons for hating him are insane. 

[eric42434224]

Honestly, dude, not many people here actually do like him.  We just think your reasons for hating him are insane.  

I give him credit for doing some things that HAD to be done, even though there would be a huge negative backlash from the uninformed public.
Bailing out the financial industry, even though it seemed unfair to the common man, was something that had to be done.  The clusterfuck this economy would be in if it wasnt done would be mindboggling.

I dont "like" or "dislike" him.  I actually feel a bit bad for him, as I feel that he hasnt had much of a choice in many matters due to the seriously fucked up economy he inherited.  (An economy which wasnt soley Bush's fault either...the President doesnt have all that much influence on a globally intertwined economy)

[EPICVIEW]

Honestly, dude, not many people here actually do like him.  We just think your reasons for hating him are insane.  

EB,

I swear I havent even scratched the surface on Obama... I gues my point is, "if people did their homework on Obama, I think they would be blown away"...I am honeslty very worried about Obama and would he protect us, he is bringing the country to its knees financially..adn we have shunned our true allies like the UK, France Germany, and Poland for some insanity that our sworn enemies will be blinded by Obamas smile and now like us..we jsut saw Syria laugh at us and reject our overtures.. I dont think Obama knows what he is doing at best..and at worst I think he is not that keen on our country period...

[eric42434224]

EB,

I swear I havent even scratched the surface on Obama... I gues my point is, "if people did their homework on Obama, I think they would be blown away"...

 

We just think your reasons for hating him are insane. 
Quoted for truth

[EPICVIEW]

EB,

I swear I havent even scratched the surface on Obama... I gues my point is, "if people did their homework on Obama, I think they would be blown away"...

 

We just think your reasons for hating him are insane. 
Quoted for truth

who is we?

[Seventh Son]

EB,

I swear I havent even scratched the surface on Obama... I gues my point is, "if people did their homework on Obama, I think they would be blown away"...

 

We just think your reasons for hating him are insane. 
Quoted for truth

who is we?

Virtually everyone on P/R.

[eric42434224]

EB,

I swear I havent even scratched the surface on Obama... I gues my point is, "if people did their homework on Obama, I think they would be blown away"...

 

We just think your reasons for hating him are insane. 
Quoted for truth

who is we?

start a poll and find out

[EPICVIEW]

Wright

Rezko

Ayers

Koh

Dohrn

Khalidi

The name I cant say

Van Jones

Anita Dunne

Holder

PJ Crowley

Kagen

Soros

Move On

Acorn

Farakan

Alinsky

Susan Rice

Illegal National Healthcare

Trillions in Debt on a False Stimulus

SEIU

Natioanlizing of the Auto Industry

Illegal Tax policies

Class warfare

Phleger

defunding of the military

dismantling of the HSA

Napalitano

Fort Hood not being called what it really was

Not securing the border

Treatment of our true Allies


need I go on? those are not valid reasons?

[EPICVIEW]

EB,

I swear I havent even scratched the surface on Obama... I gues my point is, "if people did their homework on Obama, I think they would be blown away"...

 

We just think your reasons for hating him are insane.  
Quoted for truth

who is we?

start a poll and find out

I hope its a long list.. you do it..you have the answers!!

longer then my list?

[eric42434224]

Wright

Rezko

Ayers

Dorin

Khalidi

The name I cant say

Van Jones

Anita Dunne

Holder

PJ Crowley

Soros

Move On

Acorn

Farakan

Alinsky

Susan Rice

Illegal National Healthcare

Trillions in Debt on a False Stimulus

SEIU

Natioanlizing of the Auto Industry

Illegal Tax policies

Class warfare

defunding of the military

dismantling of the HSA

Napalitano

Fort Hood not being called what it really was

Not securing the border

Treatment of our true Allies


need I go on? those are not valid reasons?

LOL
no, and no.

[EPICVIEW]

Eric,
show me a list of reasons to like Obama?

good luck..

I cant wait to see the list..

I gave you real reasons not sutff like " I dont like the way he talks, he is a losuy speaker, his jokes are bad"..

these are real concerns..

[eric42434224]

Eric,
show me a list of reasons to like Obama?

good luck..

I cant wait to see the list..

You are just having a tough time understanding, and I must admit, I am feeling kind of sorry for you.
I would try to explain better, but I just dont think I could do any better, make it any more clear or concise, than ElBarto did:

Honestly, dude, not many people here actually do like him.  We just think your reasons for hating him are insane. 

[EPICVIEW]

Eric,
show me a list of reasons to like Obama?

good luck..

I cant wait to see the list..

You are just having a tough time understanding, and I must admit, I am feeling kind of sorry for you.
I would try to explain better, but I just dont think I could do any better, make it any more clear or concise, than ElBarto did:

Honestly, dude, not many people here actually do like him.  We just think your reasons for hating him are insane.  

again you dwell in subjective...when Im and dealing in objective reality...and you always go personal..its not enough to just say my reasons are "insane" they are not,and you feel sorry for me?  please dont

[eric42434224]

Eric,
show me a list of reasons to like Obama?

good luck..

I cant wait to see the list..

You are just having a tough time understanding, and I must admit, I am feeling kind of sorry for you.
I would try to explain better, but I just dont think I could do any better, make it any more clear or concise, than ElBarto did:

Honestly, dude, not many people here actually do like him.  We just think your reasons for hating him are insane.  

again you dwell in subjective...when Im and dealing in objective reality...and you always go personal..its not enough to just say my reasons are "insane" they are not,and you feel sorry for me?  please dont

Not getting personal at all...just quoting ElBarto.
Saying your reasons are "objective" IS insane.

Anyway, Im out.  Hey, Its 4:20!!!  

[EPICVIEW]

Eric,
show me a list of reasons to like Obama?

good luck..

I cant wait to see the list..

You are just having a tough time understanding, and I must admit, I am feeling kind of sorry for you.
I would try to explain better, but I just dont think I could do any better, make it any more clear or concise, than ElBarto did:

Honestly, dude, not many people here actually do like him.  We just think your reasons for hating him are insane.  

again you dwell in subjective...when Im and dealing in objective reality...and you always go personal..its not enough to just say my reasons are "insane" they are not,and you feel sorry for me?  please dont

Not getting personal at all...just quoting ElBarto.
Saying your reasons are "objective" IS insane.

Anyway, Im out.  Hey, Its 4:20!!!  

no its not..each of those names are valid concerns..and or the subject is of real concern

[El Barto]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

[EPICVIEW]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

sure..sleaze is on both sides.. but Im being very honest about Obamas associations and how they affect us, policy and funding. to dismiss that as "insane" is not nice, nor is it correct.

ok EB, you have a real vocal "dislike" of GWB ...so can you for the sake of discussion list his radical associations that made you feel uncomfortable, unsafe.. so we can compare and contrast it with my list on Obama..

[eric42434224]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

sure..sleaze is on both sides.. but Im being very honest about Obamas associations and how they affect us, policy and funding. to dismiss that as "insane" is not nice, nor is it correct.

ok EB, you have a real vocal "dislike" of GWB ...so can you for the sake of discussion list his radical associations that made you feel uncomfortable, unsafe.. so we can compare and contrast it with my list on Obama..

Many would think that his association with Cheney qualifies, and is then magified exponentially by making him vice-president

[PlaysLikeMyung]

I can't participate in this thread anymore.


It's just too... silly now

[Adami]

[El Barto]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

sure..sleaze is on both sides.. but Im being very honest about Obamas associations and how they affect us, policy and funding. to dismiss that as "insane" is not nice, nor is it correct.

ok EB, you have a real vocal "dislike" of GWB ...so can you for the sake of discussion list his radical associations that made you feel uncomfortable, unsafe.. so we can compare and contrast it with my list on Obama..

There's no way I'm going to get into a lunacy competition with you. 

My point was that associating with nutjobs, crooks or otherwise sleazy individuals doesn't necessarily make you a nutjob, crook or sleazeball.  If so, there would be nobody left to run. 

[EPICVIEW]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

sure..sleaze is on both sides.. but Im being very honest about Obamas associations and how they affect us, policy and funding. to dismiss that as "insane" is not nice, nor is it correct.

ok EB, you have a real vocal "dislike" of GWB ...so can you for the sake of discussion list his radical associations that made you feel uncomfortable, unsafe.. so we can compare and contrast it with my list on Obama..

Many would think that his association with Cheney qualifies, and is then magified exponentially by making him vice-president

if you can prove why , but the Haliburton thing just dont cut it to me

[EPICVIEW]

I can't participate in this thread anymore.


It's just too... silly now

I hope I answered your 3 questions ..

[TL]

Epicview, not to say you're crazy, but Glenn Beck would tell you to tone it down.

[Adami]

Epicview, not to say you're crazy, but Glenn Beck would tell you to tone it down.

He's actually made some great points. Let's recap in bulletpoint form.

1. Bush can fly a plane and Obama can not.
2. Bush has an IQ of 148 that no one in the world can confirm
3. Obama has friends who aren't cool.
4. So does bush, but whatever
5. Obama thinks of america as the enemy
6. Obama wants to impose sharia law
7. Obama is black
8. Bush is white



All of these FACTS prove 100% that bush was a better president than anyone in history.

[Seventh Son]

Epicview, not to say you're crazy, but Glenn Beck would tell you to tone it down.

He's actually made some great points. Let's recap in bulletpoint form.

1. Bush can fly a plane and Obama can not.
2. Bush has an IQ of 148 that no one in the world can confirm
3. Obama has friends who aren't cool.
4. So does bush, but whatever
5. Obama thinks of america as the enemy
6. Obama wants to impose sharia law
7. Obama is black
8. Bush is white



All of these FACTS prove 100% that bush was a better president than anyone in history.

How can you argue with logic like that?

[Tick]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

sure..sleaze is on both sides.. but Im being very honest about Obamas associations and how they affect us, policy and funding. to dismiss that as "insane" is not nice, nor is it correct.

ok EB, you have a real vocal "dislike" of GWB ...so can you for the sake of discussion list his radical associations that made you feel uncomfortable, unsafe.. so we can compare and contrast it with my list on Obama..

There's no way I'm going to get into a lunacy competition with you. 

My point was that associating with nutjobs, crooks or otherwise sleazy individuals doesn't necessarily make you a nutjob, crook or sleazeball.  If so, there would be nobody left to run. 

That's pretty broad isn't it? Are their no parameters at all to separate what should give us pause and what shouldn't when judging someones character? Or should we just lump everyone together is a bowl and call them all equal slime regardless of their transgressions?
Just sayin...

[El Barto]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

sure..sleaze is on both sides.. but Im being very honest about Obamas associations and how they affect us, policy and funding. to dismiss that as "insane" is not nice, nor is it correct.

ok EB, you have a real vocal "dislike" of GWB ...so can you for the sake of discussion list his radical associations that made you feel uncomfortable, unsafe.. so we can compare and contrast it with my list on Obama..

There's no way I'm going to get into a lunacy competition with you. 

My point was that associating with nutjobs, crooks or otherwise sleazy individuals doesn't necessarily make you a nutjob, crook or sleazeball.  If so, there would be nobody left to run. 

That's pretty broad isn't it? Are their no parameters at all to separate what should give us pause and what shouldn't when judging someones character? Or should we just lump everyone together is a bowl and call them all equal slime regardless of their transgressions?
Just sayin...

Deeds remain more important than associations.  Consider that Jerry Falwell and Larry Flynt were good friends up until the Reverend's death.  Nobody ever accused one of being the slightest bit similar to the other.  If Falwell had been caught banging strippers, or Flynt attending church, then their associations might be relevant, but until then, it just doesn't matter.  All politicians have highly dubious affiliations, but unless the affiliations affect their actions, they shouldn't matter.

[Tick]

Let's try and keep this simple.  Can you accept that all presidents have associated with sleazy people?  All meaning both Republicans and Democrats?

sure..sleaze is on both sides.. but Im being very honest about Obamas associations and how they affect us, policy and funding. to dismiss that as "insane" is not nice, nor is it correct.

ok EB, you have a real vocal "dislike" of GWB ...so can you for the sake of discussion list his radical associations that made you feel uncomfortable, unsafe.. so we can compare and contrast it with my list on Obama..

There's no way I'm going to get into a lunacy competition with you. 

My point was that associating with nutjobs, crooks or otherwise sleazy individuals doesn't necessarily make you a nutjob, crook or sleazeball.  If so, there would be nobody left to run. 

That's pretty broad isn't it? Are their no parameters at all to separate what should give us pause and what shouldn't when judging someones character? Or should we just lump everyone together is a bowl and call them all equal slime regardless of their transgressions?
Just sayin...

Deeds remain more important than associations.  Consider that Jerry Falwell and Larry Flynt were good friends up until the Reverend's death.  Nobody ever accused one of being the slightest bit similar to the other.  If Falwell had been caught banging strippers, or Flynt attending church, then their associations might be relevant, but until then, it just doesn't matter.  All politicians have highly dubious affiliations, but unless the affiliations affect their actions, they shouldn't matter.

I respect your perspective, but I also respect someone who chooses to judge based on associations. In my eyes its fair. That's pretty much all I want to say about it. Carry on.

[GuineaPig]

Epicview, not to say you're crazy, but Glenn Beck would tell you to tone it down.

He's actually made some great points. Let's recap in bulletpoint form.

1. Bush can fly a plane and Obama can not.
2. Bush has an IQ of 148 that no one in the world can confirm
3. Obama has friends who aren't cool.
4. So does bush, but whatever
5. Obama thinks of america as the enemy
6. Obama wants to impose sharia law
7. Obama is black
8. Bush is white



All of these FACTS prove 100% that bush was a better president than anyone in history.

I don't think we have to worry about that from Obama.  It's Palin who really wants to make us all submit to Islamic law.


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Coincidence?

[Adami]

Oh......my.........god.



And if you spell Obama backwards it's "I hate america and want every day to be 9/11"

Coincidence?

[rumborak]

If you squint your eyes, EPICVIEW reads as EPICFAIL. And when you unsquint, it doesn't change. It's like, 3-D or something.

rumborak

[Tick]

If you squint your eyes, EPICVIEW reads as EPICFAIL. And when you unsquint, it doesn't change. It's like, 3-D or something.

rumborak

The problem I have with everyone ripping him is, he is not being dick or abrasive to anyone is he? As long as someone one remains respectful in there thoughts and feelings I tend to leave them be. That's how I feel.
If I'm wrong and he has been disrespectful to others, point out his posts and I will understand the abuse more then I currently do.