Place your bets again - DT's next top model.

[ricky]

Older= assured experience
I would think DT would want to make the more solid choice in this decision rather than the risky one (picking a younger guy).

meh, a good point.

[ricky]

rumby, where you at?

[Nick]

I think that the smart choice is someone 5-10 years younger than their average age now. Someone who still looks like one of their peers, but will have more youth to them, which is key because drums in Dream Theater is very physically demanding, and while I'm sure JP might still be able to shred at 60, asking a 60 year old drummer to play 2.5 hours of Dream Theater a night at 60 might be pushing it.

[ricky]

but jp isnt 60

[Nick]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

[ricky]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

i totally agree.

metropolis part 3 by then?

i think so.

[dongringo]

How old is Neil Peart?

[bloop]

metropolis part 3 by then?

ohboyherewego

[Nick]

How old is Neil Peart?

Old, and Rush fans should count their blessing every day that the man is still able to do what he does.

[ricky]

How old is Neil Peart?

Old, and Rush fans should count their blessing every day that the man is still able to do what he does.

man thats cold.

[ricky]

metropolis part 3 by then?

ohboyherewego

IT WILL HAPPEN.

[dongringo]

Could be someone that's not even on the list.

While that's very possible, and obviously fine, it would make the constant statements of "you guys will understand.....you guys will NOT be disappointed" etc to make much less sense.

So it's Marco Minneman?  

[ricky]

it could  be.

nobody knows.

[Nick]

How old is Neil Peart?

Old, and Rush fans should count their blessing every day that the man is still able to do what he does.

man thats cold.

How is that cold? People get old and lose their physical attributes, it's a fact of life, and Rush fans, myself included are lucky that Neil has been able to keep himself at a level where he can do a 30 shows in two months and play for 2.5 hours a night.

[ricky]

but he drinks whiskey...

[rumborak]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.

rumborak

[bloop]

Don't worry, once they hit about 55 they'll just start aging backwards.

[ricky]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.

rumborak

from  here on you will sign your posts as "rumby.'

k?

[rumborak]

How is that cold? People get old and lose their physical attributes, it's a fact of life, and Rush fans, myself included are lucky that Neil has been able to keep himself at a level where he can do a 30 shows in two months and play for 2.5 hours a night.

I think the fact that he kept working on his drumming helped with that. He has a very smooth and efficient drumming style. MP I believe already has issues.

rumborak

[Nick]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.

rumborak

Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.

[bloop]

Still, the thought of Labrie singing tDEN when he's like 70 is sort of funny.

[Nick]

Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.

[ricky]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.

rumborak

Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.

disagree.

while i dont really like DT's past few albums, i still think they have the potential to create awesome music.

age has nothing to do with it.

WDADU > SFAM, cuz WDADU is better cuz they were younger...

with all due respect.

fail.

[dongringo]

The argument that DT will release the name of the drummer with the release of the album is making more and more sense. I mean, if they've had to wait this long...

[ricky]

Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.

all joking aside...

are you serious dude?

[rumborak]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.

rumborak

Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.

You misunderstood me. I wasn't criticizing their late musical output. I rather meant that with their music of very fast and technical prog metal, with a high-pitched singer, I'm not sure I want to see some 70-yo fogies butcher their own material because they just can't pull it off anymore.
In other words, DT shouldn't be another Kansas.

rumborak

[Nick]

Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.

all joking aside...

are you serious dude?

Um... yeah. James has had issues with his voice over the years, and even as a strong fan of him you can't ignore the fact that he had problems with the food poisoning and that later he was almost kicked out of the band because he wasn't taking care of himself or his voice. I don't foresee any of the other members having to sit out prior to James for physical reasons.

[Nick]

But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.

Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.

rumborak

Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.

You misunderstood me. I wasn't criticizing their late musical output. I rather meant that with their music of very fast and technical prog metal, with a high-pitched singer, I'm not sure I want to see some 70-yo fogies butcher their own material because they just can't pull it off anymore.
In other words, DT shouldn't be another Kansas.

rumborak

While I agree that there is a point to be made here, I still do feel that DT has a lot of good years left in them and don't think they've displayed any reasons to start thinking about when they should maybe hang it up due to age.

[ricky]

Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.

all joking aside...

are you serious dude?

Um... yeah. James has had issues with his voice over the years, and even as a strong fan of him you can't ignore the fact that he had problems with the food poisoning and that later he was almost kicked out of the band because he wasn't taking care of himself or his voice. I don't foresee any of the other members having to sit out prior to James for physical reasons.

yah but,

...what does that have to do with the drumming?

[Perpetual Change]

I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer, at least not at the level they have been. Though I've made posts in the past disagreeing with this opinion, I'm seeing more and more sense in the opinion that they 'capped out' in 2007. A couple things:

1.) only so many people are ever going to like prog metal and
2.) on the last tour, Dream Theater played to half-empty crowds most nights. I really hate admitting that, but it's just true.

Part of it, of course, has to do with the economy. Part of it has to do with Mike's ProgNation tour which, though cool, was unfortunately not something enough fans were giving a chance and thus a 'failure'. And I wonder if part of it had to do with releasing the half-assed Chaos in Motion DVD at the peak of the bands' popularity. Seriously, at that point in the game, DT needed to top Score and show their new fans what they were capable of. Instead, they put out a cheapo that good for the hardcore fans but was bad enough to potentially turn any new fan away.

As for PT, I think the same is kinda true. They could be increasingly in popularity right now, but SW is just too concerned with his solo stuff. Last year had not PT and this year will also feature no new PT, yet 3 or 4 new Steve Wilson side-project records. That, I think, is a bad sign for any band.

You misunderstood me. I wasn't criticizing their late musical output. I rather meant that with their music of very fast and technical prog metal, with a high-pitched singer, I'm not sure I want to see some 70-yo fogies butcher their own material because they just can't pull it off anymore.
In other words, DT shouldn't be another Kansas.

rumborak

You know, I've thought about this too and I wonder... what's stopping Dream Theater from just taking things down a notch? They've always loved Yes, Floyd, Genesis, etc... Hell, half of the current membership was spotted at last year's Porcupine Tree show. Why couldn't they become that kind of band in their later years? That, to me, would be their best bet.

[cyberdrummer]

2.) on the last tour, Dream Theater played to half-empty crowds most nights. I really hate admitting that, but it's just true.

In America perhaps, but in Europe DT, on the whole, play to sold out or very nearly sold out venues - and venues of a decent size too.

But I do agree that they should have, and perhaps should instead do on this tour, released a top quality dvd instead of CiM.

[ricky]

I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer

they said that after dt released fif.

[bloop]

I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer

they said that after dt released fif.

Age wasn't part of the equation back then.

[Perpetual Change]

I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer

they said that after dt released fif.

Why did you omit the most important part of my sentence? I meant "going on... as a band known for heavy metal and high-pitched vocals."

[ricky]

I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer

they said that after dt released fif.

Age wasn't part of the equation back then.

rudess is the oldest member of DT? does he suck? no.

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