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Who's that Pokémon?!

Virgil Donati
6 (2.2%)
Peter Wildoer
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Mike Mangini
157 (56.3%)
Marco Minnemann
49 (17.6%)
Thomas Lang
23 (8.2%)
Derek Roddy
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Aquiles Priester
4 (1.4%)
emindead
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1645 on: January 04, 2011, 11:16:59 AM »
meanwhile on the virgil message board:

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A little bird just told me that Marco Minneman is the new drummer for DT, but this is not confirmed. It was on Blabbermouth, but that's not my source, I heard it from several other people who are well connected. We'll see....

Yes, but by who on Virgil's board?  Virgil, or someone else?

The post is here:

https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=9&pp=15

Doesn't seem to be Virgil himself, but some random guy (haven't been following that forum so he might not be that random, but...).

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1646 on: January 04, 2011, 11:17:09 AM »
If he is revamping his own studio for a session starting in two weeks, it seems like this could put a damper on him being the drummer for DT.  Unless they are planning on doing drum tracks at Mangini's studio.

This does indeed put his involvement into question. I seriously can't see them doing drum tracks at his studio.
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1647 on: January 04, 2011, 11:18:13 AM »
on Taps board its pretty much confirmed that it is " Joe Mamma Besser"

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1648 on: January 04, 2011, 11:28:05 AM »
Long time lurker, first time poster, blah blah blah.  Been a huge fan of DT since the ACoS days - I randomly bought I&W and ACoS in a record store because I thought the album covers were interesting, and they have been among my favorite bands ever since.  Opeth, Porcupine Tree, and DT rotate the #1/2/3 spots depending on the month.

I'm quite excited for some new blood in DT.  IMO they have stagnated significantly over the last several albums, with Octavarium being the last album I loved start to finish.  While for the most part I loved MP as a drummer, I always felt he "was who he was" and was never going to explore much new ground with his drumming.  His use of effect cymbals (circa SFAM), and the blastbeats on the latest albums were about as close to new ground as we ever saw.  I always have wondered how much differently DT would have evolved with a drummer who was as obsessive with practicing and trying new techniques, equipment, etc. as JP and JR clearly are.  And so when MP quit the band, I was actually pretty excited.  Not that I felt MP was holding them back, per se - clearly DT and MP are essentially synonymous - but I'm excited for the future, JLB-style.

I would love to see Minnemann as the new drummer (best drummer on planet earth IMO), but I think it's Mangini given the available "evidence". I saw Mangini give a drum clinic in Chandler, AZ about a decade ago, and I was blown away by his technical ability.  Clearly the man has chops to burn, but I am concerned by two things:

I have never heard an album on which I loved the sound of his drums.  I know this is largely in the hands of the engineer and mixer, but it's a decades-long trend that concerns me.  MP has such a distinctive drum sound - one can instantly tell he is drumming on any album (including side projects) after about FII - that the sound of the album will change pretty significantly with a different guy.  MP's drums were also very high in the mix compared to other heavy bands.

I also don't love Mangini's playing style - he just doesn't seem to have much "soul" in his playing.  He clearly cares about fitting his drumming into the music, but in the past I think he has done so to a fault, resulting in drum parts that are less than interesting.  Most of his career has been as a session player, though, so perhaps I shouldn't hold that against him.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1649 on: January 04, 2011, 11:32:59 AM »
I agree^

Marco is really the one I want, I think Marco is amazing and his style and sound to my ears is fantastic
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1650 on: January 04, 2011, 11:33:29 AM »
Welcome, scoutmasterdave.

The drum sound issue is an odd problem.  I definitely know what you mean.  I take Jimmy DeGrasso as a perfect example.  Not the best drummer on earth, but very good, and one of my personal favorites.  Anyhow, his drumming with Y&T from the time he joined in 1987 or so through the time he eventually lfe was AMAZING.  His drum sound, on the other hand, was just horrendous.  His work with White Lion and Suicidal Tendences was about the same.  Then he went to Megadeth, and suddenly, his drum sound was as incredible as his playing.  I think you nailed it when you said it is largely in the hands of others.  But when you have people who know what drums should sound like, great drummers can truly shine.
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1651 on: January 04, 2011, 11:39:01 AM »
On the clips I've seen of Mangini it's the fact that he overplays to the extent that the song is lost that concerns me. you know like on the Aerosmith albums after they reformed, where it sounds like the guitar solos were recorded to different songs (Ragdoll for example)? Mangini sounds like that to me, but maybe that's just 'cos he's showing off. On the La Brie albums he was on there was nothing to grab the attention.
I had my heart set on Lang or Minneman but it looks unlikely from the admittedly circumstantial evidence.
He may turn out to be awesome though.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1652 on: January 04, 2011, 12:16:50 PM »
The good news is  a lot of people, myself included, have had to take closer looks at some really talented individuals and be exposed to some high level drumming. I think that's great! Somebody is going to be happy in a few days/weeks.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1653 on: January 04, 2011, 12:22:43 PM »
I for one didn't know who Mangini or Minnemann were before coming to this forum. I then started listening to them and watching some videos and I have to say I think Mangini is a great drummer but doesn't really do it for me. I really can't see him playing some proggy drums. As for Marco, I absolutely love the guy. Saw videos of him playing jazz, metal, rock, prog rock, improv and he just kicks ass. I think he would be the wise choice here if DT wants to make something new and wants a really involved drummer. Plus he plays guitar and piano so...
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1654 on: January 04, 2011, 12:32:16 PM »
On the clips I've seen of Mangini it's the fact that he overplays to the extent that the song is lost that concerns me. you know like on the Aerosmith albums after they reformed, where it sounds like the guitar solos were recorded to different songs (Ragdoll for example)? Mangini sounds like that to me, but maybe that's just 'cos he's showing off. On the La Brie albums he was on there was nothing to grab the attention.
I had my heart set on Lang or Minneman but it looks unlikely from the admittedly circumstantial evidence.
He may turn out to be awesome though.

Lowdz.  did you ever see Mangini play with Extreme?  The guy can play some groove.
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1655 on: January 04, 2011, 12:43:22 PM »
As time keep going and i keep watching and watching tons of videos of all this drummers.... it just give me more reasons to vote for lang


just to see his capabilities and attention in little details look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xshrk4D0Rw

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1656 on: January 04, 2011, 12:55:10 PM »
On the clips I've seen of Mangini it's the fact that he overplays to the extent that the song is lost that concerns me. you know like on the Aerosmith albums after they reformed, where it sounds like the guitar solos were recorded to different songs (Ragdoll for example)? Mangini sounds like that to me, but maybe that's just 'cos he's showing off. On the La Brie albums he was on there was nothing to grab the attention.
I had my heart set on Lang or Minneman but it looks unlikely from the admittedly circumstantial evidence.
He may turn out to be awesome though.

Lowdz.  did you ever see Mangini play with Extreme?  The guy can play some groove.

I did see him on that tour but nothing really stood out. Extreme was hardly taxing for a drummer and I was kinda following Nuno all night. And I hated the Punchline album. And groove isn't really what I expect from a DT drummer. All drummers should be able to groove. That should be the easy bit.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1657 on: January 04, 2011, 01:08:17 PM »
I'm not saying he'll groove but it shows his versatility.
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1658 on: January 04, 2011, 01:10:28 PM »
Extreme was hardly taxing for a drummer

???  What?
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1659 on: January 04, 2011, 01:22:15 PM »
I haven't seen much about Lang really. There are two things I can say though. He is an awesome drummer and would probably be a good addition to DT. On the other hand I think Marco's accent is way better. :D
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1660 on: January 04, 2011, 01:29:19 PM »
I'm sorry I've kept waiting for a Mangini video that would blow me away, and I'm honestly an easily blown away person, but people have kept posting videos like "omg, look at this drum solo it will change your mind", but every time it was just kinda Mangini hitting the drums at full velocity every time in some kind of straight groove, and then doing a fast and kinda sloppy "Mangini-style roll", that I've seen Marco Minnemann do better.

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« Reply #1661 on: January 04, 2011, 02:17:27 PM »
I haven't seen much about Lang really. There are two things I can say though. He is an awesome drummer and would probably be a good addition to DT. On the other hand I think Marco's accent is way better. :D

Totally agree.... Lang is the best option for DT, his sound is much heavier & powerful than Minnemann.... Marco's ability is pretty impressive, I don't mind seeing him with DT as a second option (after Lang)

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1662 on: January 04, 2011, 02:27:47 PM »
Extreme was hardly taxing for a drummer

???  What?

just gone back to Pornograffitti and listened to the drums and I have to say I see what you're saying. I never quite realised before what the drums are doing as I was always listening to that guitar. And live Paul geary never appeared at all flashy. I take my statement back!
Still not been impressed by Mangini though. He may, as I said, be awesome in DT though. We'll have to wait and see (possibly).

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1663 on: January 05, 2011, 08:34:13 AM »
Ok.....seems I was wrong in my betting, it seems after all that it is not Wildoer, as he commented on facebook that he is writing the new Darkane record.

Then I really hope it's Lang.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1664 on: January 05, 2011, 08:43:58 AM »
Whether it's Mangini or Minnemann (sp?), I'm confident they both have the ability (and groove) to be just fine in DT.

I still think it would be awesome if it was some totally unknown guy.
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1665 on: January 05, 2011, 10:46:19 AM »
From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)

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« Reply #1666 on: January 05, 2011, 10:47:30 AM »
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1667 on: January 05, 2011, 11:15:31 AM »
Interesting.
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1668 on: January 05, 2011, 11:27:39 AM »
From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)

Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1669 on: January 05, 2011, 11:28:53 AM »
From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)

So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1670 on: January 05, 2011, 11:29:49 AM »
From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)

So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.

Yes please!!!! Go Marco!!!!
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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1671 on: January 05, 2011, 11:30:30 AM »
From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)

So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.

He could at least say "I'm not the new DT drummer."

That wouldn't be news by DT so it shouldn't break any contract. This silence from all the contenders is what annoys me, because I KNOW they know we're dying to know.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1672 on: January 05, 2011, 11:31:32 AM »
From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)

So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1673 on: January 05, 2011, 11:32:34 AM »

Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......

Lets not forget aquiles! still a contender i think.

i still hope its Lang!!!!

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« Reply #1674 on: January 05, 2011, 11:33:50 AM »

Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......

Lets not forget aquiles! still a contender i think.


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« Reply #1675 on: January 05, 2011, 11:35:23 AM »

Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......

Lets not forget aquiles! still a contender i think.


No he's not.

:o is he really out of the fight??? for me, thats a relieve

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« Reply #1676 on: January 05, 2011, 11:35:41 AM »
From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)

So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.

Not at all.

Yeah, that post doesn't suggest anything about him being "out."

That said, though I've posted sporadically I've been on holiday and pretty much off DTF for over ten days. Just got back tonight. I can't believe we still don't know who the drummer is.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1677 on: January 05, 2011, 11:37:08 AM »
I'd been thinking Mangini was a foregone conclusion for a fair few weeks now, so that's pretty interesting.

His schedule isn't at odds with the DT schedule at all, and even if it were he may be taking a slightly less hands-on role, so nothing here precludes him being DT's new drummer.

But if - as he suggests - the decision to cancel his lectures wasn't DT linked, that particular gem does have to be removed from the "evidence" pile.

Not to say that it might not still be true. But it turns what looked like a fairly concrete hint into a bit of a red herring.

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1678 on: January 05, 2011, 11:38:21 AM »
It could always be down in preparation for an announcement from DT to streamline his with their info and to handle all the traffic coming from being the new drummer. That seems a valid reason to me, but I'm not a web designer at all so who knows.  I don't think this counts him out at all. If anything makes it look MORE probable to me.      

I want it to be Lang. Still.  ;D

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Re: Place your bets - DT's new drummer.
« Reply #1679 on: January 05, 2011, 12:22:58 PM »
Gawd, enough with the build-up, I just wanna know who it is already! :omg:
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