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Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« on: October 21, 2010, 10:02:36 AM »
Every time I listen to Innocence Faded, when it gets to the bridge, instrumental part of the song, it sounds exactly like the Dregs! Johns guitar sound just like Steve Morse. Am I the only one who has noticed this?
I posted this on MP.com quite awhile back and not surprisingly the thread was completely ignored.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 10:54:35 AM »
I don't know the dregs. Maybe say a song title an position so that we can compare.

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 11:08:47 AM »
I don't know the dregs. Maybe say a song title an position so that we can compare.
Its the style. You would have to know the music of the Dregs to understand.

Listen to this and see if it helps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cK38NERcWI&feature=related


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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 11:48:23 AM »
The instrumental section clearly sounds like rush. Red Barchetta I believe.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 12:27:54 PM »
Well, think the fact DT covers The Dregs on the Black Clouds bonus disc adds some credence to my feeling that its very Dregs influenced.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 12:40:45 PM »
Well, think the fact DT covers The Dregs on the Black Clouds bonus disc adds some credence to my feeling that its very Dregs influenced.
Plus, Petrucci has stated many times that he loves/idolizes Steve Morse.

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 03:35:47 PM »
Don't forget that JR worked with the Dregs before joining DT.

I hear a slight influence, but not really.  When I think of the Dregs, I think of a spacious, electronic musical quality.  I don't hear that too much in IF.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 04:25:26 PM »
Don't forget that JR worked with the Dregs before joining DT.

I hear a slight influence, but not really.  When I think of the Dregs, I think of a spacious, electronic musical quality.  I don't hear that too much in IF.
It also sounds like the way Kansas did on the two albums they had Steve Morse.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 04:30:09 PM »
It sounds almost identical to Red Barchetta, how can no one else see this? (or hear this)
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 04:44:25 PM »
Every time I listen to Innocence Faded, when it gets to the bridge, instrumental part of the song, it sounds exactly like the Dregs! Johns guitar sound just like Steve Morse. Am I the only one who has noticed this?
I posted this on MP.com quite awhile back and not surprisingly the thread was completely ignored.
If you don't know the music of The Dregs then there is nothing for you to see hear.

Man, now that you mention it, I would agree there is some definite dregs influence.  Such an amazing band.  Morse, Morgenstein, West.....amazing!!

John I believe always cites Morse as an influence, what a great guitar player.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 04:44:48 PM »
I don't know the dregs.

You really should do something about that.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2010, 04:52:15 PM »
It sounds almost identical to Red Barchetta, how can no one else see this? (or hear this)
I don't hear it, Adami, sorry. I am a life long Rush fan and I see no similarities between DT and Rush besides great musicianship.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 04:54:59 PM »
Strange Deja Vu groovy riff = heavy Rush influence

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2010, 04:55:47 PM »
Strange Deja Vu groovy riff = heavy Rush influence
Yup, that one I agree with. Good reference.
There are more I'm sure now that I think about it.
Their is the tune on FII that sounds like the beginning of Xanadu.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2010, 05:15:07 PM »
It sounds almost identical to Red Barchetta, how can no one else see this? (or hear this)
I don't hear it, Adami, sorry. I am a life long Rush fan and I see no similarities between DT and Rush besides great musicianship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U

Click that, go right to 2:33 or so. And if that has NO similarity to the instrumental ending of IF, I will kill myself and take Jackie along with me.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 05:22:14 PM »
It sounds almost identical to Red Barchetta, how can no one else see this? (or hear this)
I don't hear it, Adami, sorry. I am a life long Rush fan and I see no similarities between DT and Rush besides great musicianship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U

Click that, go right to 2:33 or so. And if that has NO similarity to the instrumental ending of IF, I will kill myself and take Jackie along with me.
I almost feel I should lie to save Jackie, but I'm not feelin it. I know what your thinking...but no.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2010, 05:28:00 PM »
GOD DAMNIT TICK IT'S ALL OVER!!


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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2010, 05:30:29 PM »
GOD DAMNIT TICK IT'S ALL OVER!!


I'LL NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN!

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2010, 05:33:16 PM »
At first I felt like this

Then I just did this.

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2010, 07:11:17 PM »
Red Bacharacaraca... Came on the radio today and I heard something very familiar. You know when the instrumental starts in IF, the DUN.... DUN DUN part, the same thing is in the Rush song. Is this what you're talking about Adami?

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2010, 07:14:52 PM »
Red Bacharacaraca... Came on the radio today and I heard something very familiar. You know when the instrumental starts in IF, the DUN.... DUN DUN part, the same thing is in the Rush song. Is this what you're talking about Adami?

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2010, 07:24:01 PM »
Red Bacharacaraca... Came on the radio today and I heard something very familiar. You know when the instrumental starts in IF, the DUN.... DUN DUN part, the same thing is in the Rush song. Is this what you're talking about Adami?
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2010, 07:30:04 PM »
I know what he's thinking... and yes.

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2010, 07:32:50 PM »
nah.

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2010, 07:39:25 PM »
nah.

I'm going to rip off your head, stick it on a pole, cover each side with graham crackers, roast it and feed it to small children in return for their lunch money. I will then take that money and invest it in the stock market, assuming I make a hefty profit, I will take that accumilated wealth and buy your family. I will then eat each and every one of them, and then take the droppings I produce from them, and mold them into crap statues of your family.

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2010, 08:25:32 PM »
nah.

I'm going to rip off your head, stick it on a pole, cover each side with graham crackers, roast it

Isn't that a Chulupa?
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2010, 08:30:35 PM »
nah.

I'm going to rip off your head, stick it on a pole, cover each side with graham crackers, roast it

Isn't that a Chulupa?

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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2010, 08:34:10 PM »
nah.

I'm going to rip off your head, stick it on a pole, cover each side with graham crackers, roast it

Isn't that a Chulupa?

YOUR MOM'S A CHULUPA!
No, actually she is just an old white woman.
YOUR MOM IS STUFFED CRUST PIZZA!
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2010, 08:36:20 PM »
inb4 the :lokked:
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2010, 08:48:38 PM »
inb4 the :lokked:
NO LOCK!
Innocence faded sounds like The Dregs, NOT Rush!
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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM »
No, Rush.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2010, 09:00:24 PM »
Tick, did you listen to the part of Red Barchetta? I can't possibly understand how you don't see it.
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2010, 12:23:00 AM »
Strange Deja Vu groovy riff = heavy Rush influence
Yup, that one I agree with. Good reference.
There are more I'm sure now that I think about it.
Their is the tune on FII that sounds like the beginning of Xanadu.

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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2010, 01:08:53 AM »
I like rush.  :hat
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Re: Innocence Faded / Does anyone else think...
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2010, 01:11:58 AM »
tick, yes, you're right.  I completely agree with you.  It does sound very Steve Morse-esque and Dregs-ish. 
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