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Re: The Hobbit greenlit!
« Reply #140 on: April 18, 2011, 11:16:12 PM »
And yeah, please no 3D.
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So what if it's filmed in 3D?  It's not hurting anyone

Actually, it does. Many people get massive headaches from the current 3D technology.  It's a marketing ploy, and essentially a technology from the 50s that was plugged in to counter the dwindling theater numbers.
Maybe my standard on realism is too high, but I find it just looks plain bad anyway. It's like cardboard cutouts moving in front of you. And not surprising really; cinema screens have no more resolution than a good LCD monitor. That inherently limits the depths you can portray.

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« Reply #141 on: April 19, 2011, 02:08:26 AM »
Wrong. Cinema projectors have far far far superior resolution to good monitors.

edit: 4K projectors are ~4000 x ~3000 pixels FYI

And do they not do 2D showings of 3D films in your country?
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« Reply #142 on: April 19, 2011, 07:58:55 PM »


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« Reply #143 on: April 19, 2011, 08:07:41 PM »
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« Reply #144 on: April 20, 2011, 08:00:02 AM »
Wrong. Cinema projectors have far far far superior resolution to good monitors.

edit: 4K projectors are ~4000 x ~3000 pixels FYI

So? A 30'' monitor has 2560x1600. And from what I read on the internet, most cinemas use 2K projectors, not 4K.

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They do. But they are also trying to jam 3D down everybody's throat, at the expense of 2D showtimes.

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« Reply #145 on: June 23, 2011, 03:40:19 PM »
Here's a link to some new picks of Bilbo & Gandalf.




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Re: The Hobbit greenlit!
« Reply #146 on: June 23, 2011, 03:46:26 PM »
fuck yeah


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« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2011, 12:37:28 AM »
Thorin, that dwarf in the middle, looks way too young. I'm not sold on some of the casting choices so far, but we'll see.
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Re: The Hobbit greenlit!
« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2011, 11:41:02 AM »
I though Peter Jackson was gonna do more of those video blog things...

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« Reply #149 on: June 24, 2011, 11:46:54 AM »
no trailer date yet eh?

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« Reply #150 on: June 25, 2011, 12:39:01 AM »
Benedict Cumberbatch is the voice of Smaug.
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« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2011, 03:55:44 AM »
Benedict Cumberbatch is the voice of Smaug.

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Re: The Hobbit greenlit!
« Reply #152 on: June 25, 2011, 05:05:34 AM »
Wrong. Cinema projectors have far far far superior resolution to good monitors.

edit: 4K projectors are ~4000 x ~3000 pixels FYI

And do they not do 2D showings of 3D films in your country?
Bit late, but 3d also hurts the movie itself. I was in the cinema two days ago and they showed a trailer for the new harry potter. EVERYTHING was filmed so it went towards the camera, to make it useable for 3d. It looks really really stupid when watching it on 2d. OLOL HARRY FLEW ONTO THE CAMERAMAN.

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« Reply #153 on: June 25, 2011, 08:27:42 AM »
Benedict Cumberbatch is the voice of Smaug.

Will him and Bilbo solve mysteries together?
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« Reply #154 on: June 25, 2011, 12:10:29 PM »
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« Reply #155 on: November 04, 2011, 09:58:14 PM »
New production video from Peter Jackson. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150451523596807
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« Reply #156 on: November 04, 2011, 10:14:21 PM »
God dammit I hate 3D as an entertainment device but watching that I can't help but keep Peter Jackson might make me love it.

He lost he at 48 fps, though. C'mon, Jackson, you know better than that.

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« Reply #157 on: November 04, 2011, 10:21:58 PM »
Yeah, I'm skeptical about the 48 fps.
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« Reply #158 on: November 04, 2011, 10:26:04 PM »
The bad part about that is that while it may become some kind of standard in the future while you're watching even a big budget movie attempting that kind of stuff you're still going to be stuck in that "man this feel very unusual" phase and not actually enjoying what you're seeing. 48 fps will do that, no question, so it's odd that he would attempt this with a lot at stake.

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« Reply #159 on: November 05, 2011, 01:07:52 AM »
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"He's in fantastic form," Peter Jackson says of McKellen. "In a way, his role in The Hobbit has more technical difficulties than Lord of the Rings did, because he has scenes with 14 smaller characters — obviously the dwarves and the hobbit are shorter... I remember saying to him [laughs], "Look, this isn't Waiting for Godot or King Lear. This is The Hobbit. This is the real thing."
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« Reply #160 on: November 05, 2011, 01:49:01 AM »
I don't get the opposition to 48fps here. What possibly negative aspect could a higher frame rate have?

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« Reply #161 on: November 05, 2011, 01:51:05 AM »
Yeah, I don't get what's wrong with 48fps. You guys are posting over my head!

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Re: The Hobbit greenlit!
« Reply #162 on: November 05, 2011, 01:57:09 AM »
I don't get the opposition to 48fps here. What possibly negative aspect could a higher frame rate have?

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I think it's just that people are used to the 24p film look. I hear people complain about 100/120Hz TV for the same reason (although obviously that's a little different as the additional frames are interpolated rather than filmed properly).
I think it's just a matter of people getting used to it. 24p actually has a pretty long exposure time to look smooth, and people associate that with the traditional "movie" look, at least sub-consciously. But technically a higher framerate should more closely approximate reality, as our eyes update a lot faster than 24, or even 48fps.
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« Reply #163 on: November 05, 2011, 03:04:48 AM »
Part of it is that at 48fps, these movies won't visually match the LOTR films. Not to mention the 3D, which a lot of people are tired of. I wanted a somewhat consistent look to make the series feel more cohesive. Leave the visual experiments for a new project.

I admit that I'm a traditionalist in a lot of things, and 24fps is the classic movie look. I also don't know how 48fps will look, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I just hope it doesn't take on a soap opera effect. The more it looks like reality, the more it might look like a bunch of goofballs in silly costumes and wigs running around because we're so used to having movies appear a certain way and the illusion could be broken.
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« Reply #164 on: November 05, 2011, 07:05:53 AM »
I also don't know how 48fps will look, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I just hope it doesn't take on a soap opera effect.

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I never knew what the reason behind the soap opera look was. 48fps is terrible to watch

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« Reply #165 on: November 05, 2011, 07:09:50 AM »
Well, for me it's a heaven sent. I've stopped going to theaters essentially because of the 24fps flicker that I can't stand.

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« Reply #166 on: November 05, 2011, 10:21:45 AM »
My parents have a TV like the one Blob mentioned. I'll just say this: I love Jesus Christ Superstar (lolol a Jew who loves JCSS), but I can't stand it in 48p or whatever that weird thing is. It looks exactly like what Pols Voice described: singing people in silly costumes.
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« Reply #167 on: November 05, 2011, 10:43:41 AM »
I never would have noticed the difference between 24 or 48 fps if you guys wouldn't have said anything. I'm not really sure how you guys can see it.
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« Reply #168 on: November 05, 2011, 10:45:42 AM »
I never would have noticed the difference between 24 or 48 fps if you guys wouldn't have said anything. I'm not really sure how you guys can see it.

This, plus 360kps vs. lossless.

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« Reply #169 on: November 05, 2011, 10:54:16 AM »
I never would have noticed the difference between 24 or 48 fps if you guys wouldn't have said anything. I'm not really sure how you guys can see it.

This, plus 360kps vs. lossless.

People on the internet are starting to make me feel like I'm some sort of inferior human being.

I think it's really easy to spot. The human eye sees a lot faster than 24fps. Ever noticed how much different and smoother a video game looks than a movie?
And I can't tell the difference between a 320kb vs lossless at all. :lol
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« Reply #170 on: November 05, 2011, 11:26:51 AM »
My understanding is that with twice the resolution, things in a sense look "too real".  Kinda like the difference between watching something shot on video versus something shot on film.  When watching a sitcom on TV, video is fine because we're not exactly talking high art, it's generally viewed on a smaller screen, and so on.  But feature films traditionally have a look to them, a softness imposed by the grain that's nearly subconscious (truly subconscious for some) that allows the viewer to immerse himself into it.  People seem to be afraid that the 48fps thing will just plain look wrong.  I'm not enough of a film buff to understand it all, or have seen any real examples of it, but that's what I get from the arguments I've read.

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"He's in fantastic form," Peter Jackson says of McKellen. "In a way, his role in The Hobbit has more technical difficulties than Lord of the Rings did, because he has scenes with 14 smaller characters — obviously the dwarves and the hobbit are shorter... I remember saying to him [laughs], "Look, this isn't Waiting for Godot or King Lear. This is The Hobbit. This is the real thing."
  :lol What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Waiting for Godot and King Lear are two highly respected classics, the type of work for which Sir Ian is known and which he can really tear up.  You would expect the opposite: "Look, this isn't exactly Shakespeare, we're just making a fantasy about dwarves and stuff" but Jackson turns it around.  To him, The Hobbit is far more serious business than that high-brow stuff that only snobs care about.

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« Reply #171 on: November 05, 2011, 12:37:58 PM »
Pretty much what Orbert said. It messes with my ability to suspend my disbelief.
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« Reply #172 on: December 19, 2011, 07:34:59 PM »
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« Reply #173 on: December 19, 2011, 07:35:43 PM »
Is it gonna be with a movie, or online, what?
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« Reply #174 on: December 20, 2011, 12:38:14 AM »
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"He's in fantastic form," Peter Jackson says of McKellen. "In a way, his role in The Hobbit has more technical difficulties than Lord of the Rings did, because he has scenes with 14 smaller characters — obviously the dwarves and the hobbit are shorter... I remember saying to him [laughs], "Look, this isn't Waiting for Godot or King Lear. This is The Hobbit. This is the real thing."
  :lol What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Waiting for Godot and King Lear are two highly respected classics, the type of work for which Sir Ian is known and which he can really tear up.  You would expect the opposite: "Look, this isn't exactly Shakespeare, we're just making a fantasy about dwarves and stuff" but Jackson turns it around.  To him, The Hobbit is far more serious business than that high-brow stuff that only snobs care about.
This does make sense. I was quite lost because, as you said, you expect the opposite. I guess it shows the place that Jackson is coming from, being primarily a film-maker too. "Alright, you can do the academic stuff, cool. Now I need you to deliver in a blockbuster again".

Also, Sir Ian McKellen wrote on his website about travelling through my province with a location scout about a month ago. They seem to have intentionally slipped through very quietly.