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Which of the following applies to your views on 9/11?

It was blatanly perpetrated or allowed to happen by the US to further government / individual interests
4 (9.5%)
It was most likely perpetrated by the US, but I still have some doubts
4 (9.5%)
I'm not sure; both scenarios seem plausible to me
0 (0%)
There are some inconsistencies with the official story, but it was most likely perpetrated by Al Qaeda
7 (16.7%)
Al Qaeda is to blame; no doubt about it
22 (52.4%)
The US most likely allowed it to happen but took no part in it directly
5 (11.9%)

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2010, 01:20:43 PM »
At least we're not blackballing people for being muslim in america.

Yet.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2010, 01:21:58 PM »
The cold war was one of the most notorious for pointing fingers and propaganda. I mean, if you even wore a red t-shirt that looked communist, you'd be victimized instantly. It's not nearly as bad with this so called "terrorism".
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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2010, 01:23:44 PM »
I think people better find out about the Jihad against the West... what fuels it..

it has nothing to with GWB, he was just the first to take it on directly...

Clinton passed.. and he failed us post WTC1.... its like the first attack on the WTC didnt exist to liberals...
Work calls, so I don't have time to do more homework for you, but you keep asserting that Clinton passed on Osama, which is fundamentally false.  There's tons of info on all that out there if you'd just take the time to look for something that isn't cranked out by the lackeys at fox.  Frankly, Clinton was absolutely right when he said that he did a helluva lot more to confront al Qaeda than Bush, and he was roundly criticized for it by the right.  

And weren't you already warned about knocking off the thoroughly disproved Uncle Odinga bullshit?



why do people claim the Odinga connection is false? its not false...and Clinton did have a call that Osama was available to be offed and he passed on the attempt.. sighting civis could be harmed
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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2010, 01:24:14 PM »
By the way, the options in the poll are pretty weak.  At the very least, "It was blatanly perpetrated or allowed to happen by the US to further government / individual interests" should be two different options since they are two different things.  I find it completely impossible that the government could have pulled it off, but I'd certainly be willing to go with "allowed it to happen," given that option.  
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« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2010, 01:25:26 PM »
Why is George Bush so horrible? Hmm...: potential involvement in 9/11, Overall retard, supporter and instigator of the bombing of many civilian cities in the ME because they were harboring "bad guys" or WMD's, cause of the recession we are in today *cough Obama haters who still believe he is Muslim cough*, "where wings take dream!"

I see these kinds of arguments all the time, and I don't understand them. If the government was responsible for 9/11, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people would have to be kept silent. How did the government manage to identify and pay off every person who claims to have seen a plane hit the Pentagon with their own eyes. How about every person who came into work a bit early in the Twin Towers and saw the demolition crews leaving. How about he people who had to get to the Pentagon after the missile hit and plant the plane debris. How about every scientist who has a physics-based explanation for why the plane crashes could have brought the towers down.

To pull off the hypothetical 9/11 conspiracy, you'd have to be literally the smartest person who ever lived. Yet you say Bush is an "overall retard" who can't manage the economy? Normally I hate to be lame, but in this case I have no problem asking: Do you have even the slightest comprehension of what it would take for the government to successfully have planned 9/11? I also have no problem guessing that you don't. It's the only way you can have an opinion so removed from logic and reality.

Cute, but for every physicist who has a physics based explanation for why the plane crashes could have brought it down yields another physicist who explains why it is illogical that they came down or the manner in which they came down. You are also making assumptions of what my beliefs are on the Pentagon crash, etc. I'm not saying they are true or false claims, but preparations for such an event could have been made much earlier than one thinks. Also, granted, many people who would bring forth suspicious evidence from the WTC's or Pentagon would most likely be dead now or labeled as raving lunatics *cough*. And I'm not saying "Bush done it" - hell no - as established, he IS a retard. But it certainly is a distinct possibility that the US allowed in to happen or even aided it in happening.
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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2010, 01:27:57 PM »
I don't believe that the US was responsible for assisting with the attacks that day. Now whether or not they new about them and allowed it to happen is a totally different story. I find that actually believable, not many people would be involved and it would be easy to keep secret.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #77 on: October 14, 2010, 01:30:29 PM »
not to get off subejct


Not to continue off subject you mean?

I believe this:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15108.0

is the thread where you were making these posts previously, for anyone who's interested.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #78 on: October 14, 2010, 01:31:49 PM »
and Clinton did have a  call that Osama was avaialable to be offed and he passed on the attmept.. siting civis could be harmed
The only people who believe that the Ugandans offered him up (the so-called silver platter) were the people who weren't there, and insist that it's true simply because the people who were there deny it.  Furthermore, even if it weren't true, the issue wouldn't have been civilian casualties (that was a different incident where some advisers wanted to flambé a playground thinking that Osama might be near by).  The Ugandan thing wouldn't have flown because at that point Osama was not a suspect in any crime.  The FBI had refused to sign off on him as the culprit of the Cole bombing.  At that point, he was just a guy who didn't like America and might be funneling some money around--not a criminal act. Snatching him would have been a simple case of kidnapping, and while I know that sort of thing became trendy under Dumbass's administration, it was and still is not cool.  

Honestly, dude, these things aren't that hard to research.  
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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2010, 01:32:13 PM »
not to get off subejct


Not to continue off subject you mean?

I believe this:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15108.0

is the thread where you were making these posts previously, for anyone who's interested.



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« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2010, 01:32:40 PM »
No and I don't care to.  This is not the thread to discuss it.

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« Reply #81 on: October 14, 2010, 01:33:56 PM »
Cute, but for every physicist who has a physics based explanation for why the plane crashes could have brought it down yields another physicist who explains why it is illogical that they came down or the manner in which they came down.

Lemme ask you something, have you ever studied physics or engineering? By studying I mean actually take a class or learn from a credible source.

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« Reply #82 on: October 14, 2010, 01:34:38 PM »
and Clinton did have a  call that Osama was avaialable to be offed and he passed on the attmept.. siting civis could be harmed
The only people who believe that the Ugandans offered him up (the so-called silver platter) were the people who weren't there, and insist that it's true simply because the people who were there deny it.  Furthermore, even if it weren't true, the issue wouldn't have been civilian casualties (that was a different incident where some advisers wanted to flambé a playground thinking that Osama might be near by).  The Ugandan thing wouldn't have flown because at that point Osama was not a suspect in any crime.  The FBI had refused to sign off on him as the culprit of the Cole bombing.  At that point, he was just a guy who didn't like America and might be funneling some money around--not a criminal act. Snatching him would have been a simple case of kidnapping, and while I know that sort of thing became trendy under Dumbass's administration, it was and still is not cool.  

Honestly, dude, these things aren't that hard to research.  
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President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates.

But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of carrying out the embassy attacks.

Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.

The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.

Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.

But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.

Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not. Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national security threat.

And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S. counter-terrorism officials.

The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2010, 01:38:11 PM »
No and I don't care to.  This is not the thread to discuss it.


to me its all inter-related... Im reacting to anothers post that my view is not true..when the connection is TRUE...

But thats cool.. but its a FACT that Odinga and Obama campaigned together.. and Odinga enforced Sharia law..and even today Obama is sending him money.

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« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2010, 01:45:13 PM »
not to get off subejct.. but it is TRUE Obama and Odinga campaigned together for Sharia law in Kenya


https://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/obama-and-odinga-campaign-in-kenya/caa1d0712f6b517378e7caa1d0712f6b517378e7-281268519751?q=obama%20odinga%20video&FORM=VIRE5


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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2010, 01:45:23 PM »
BTW, I was at NIST a few months ago, the agency that did simulations of the tower and its collapse after 9/11. Very cool actually, they had a small fractured piece of steel of the tower on display.

Of course, they were all bought. The hundreds of people involved were all silenced, the outside agencies, everybody. Only the guys on the internet are right, the ones who know it's right because it can't be wrong.

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« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2010, 01:50:26 PM »
BTW, I was at NIST a few months ago, the agency that did simulations of the tower and its collapse after 9/11. Very cool actually, they had a small fractured piece of steel of the tower on display.

Of course, they were all bought. The hundreds of people involved were all silenced, the outside agencies, everybody. Only the guys on the internet are right, the ones who know it's right because it can't be wrong.

rumborak


But at the same time, if you were a government agency tasked with looking at the 9/11 disaster, and you found that everything wasn't as it seemed, are you going to be the one with the balls to out the whole government?  Not likely.

NOT saying that's the case at all.  I'm with everyone who has the hint of skepticism in the government over it, but overall thinks it was Al Qaeda.  Just playing Devil's Advocate, that I can see how one might be distrustful of the government in that instance.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2010, 01:55:00 PM »
EPICVIEW, you've rightly been told that the Obama/Odinga issue is off-topic.  Next post I see of yours that isn't on topic earns you a 1-month vaction from P/R.
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« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2010, 02:10:21 PM »
OK sorry...

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« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2010, 02:33:48 PM »
But at the same time, if you were a government agency tasked with looking at the 9/11 disaster, and you found that everything wasn't as it seemed, are you going to be the one with the balls to out the whole government?  Not likely.

Yes, actually I do. Do you really think of the hundreds of people involved in this investigation, not a single one would go to the media, even if just anonymously, and proclaim that the results are plain wrong and politically motivated?
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they always presume a completely unrealistic "in-line-ness" of the people involved.

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« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2010, 02:36:01 PM »
Yeah, for once (not really just "once," but I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect), I have to agree with rumborak.
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« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2010, 02:37:38 PM »
Conspiracy theorists have to think that they're the only ones honest, skeptical, and and intelligent to see the truth though.  That's the allure.  Everyone else are sheeple; only you have the capacity to see through the lies.
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« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2010, 02:45:07 PM »
Yeah, definitely that part (the self-flattery), and the "me/us against them" seems to have an allure. Somehow people actually like to feel they are being controlled by unseen forces. Some channel this into New Age crap talking about "energies" and communicating with dead people, some channel it into their religion (God being the "controller"), others build conspiracy theories in response.

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« Reply #94 on: October 14, 2010, 02:49:30 PM »
Cute, but for every physicist who has a physics based explanation for why the plane crashes could have brought it down yields another physicist who explains why it is illogical that they came down or the manner in which they came down.

Zero percent chance this is true.

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You are also making assumptions of what my beliefs are on the Pentagon crash, etc. I'm not saying they are true or false claims, but preparations for such an event could have been made much earlier than one thinks.

The fact you're saying it's possible the Pentagon wasn't hit by a plane is already insane. It's not something you can debate.

And no, they couldn't have been made earlier. People would notice plane debris just happening to sit around on the lawn. The people involved in preparing it by tearing apart the plane would have blabbed.

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Also, granted, many people who would bring forth suspicious evidence from the WTC's or Pentagon would most likely be dead now or labeled as raving lunatics *cough*. And I'm not saying "Bush done it" - hell no - as established, he IS a retard. But it certainly is a distinct possibility that the US allowed in to happen or even aided it in happening.

Alright, so Bush wasn't involved. But you certainly didn't make it seem that way.

And if you want to say certain aspects of the WTC are suspicious, fine. I sorta feel the same way. But hypothesis must become observable evidence or it is meaningless. You haven't even presented any actual evidence in your posts. What did the government do to plant the explosives? Who might have done it?
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« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2010, 03:14:06 PM »
Cute, but for every physicist who has a physics based explanation for why the plane crashes could have brought it down yields another physicist who explains why it is illogical that they came down or the manner in which they came down.

Zero percent chance this is true.

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You are also making assumptions of what my beliefs are on the Pentagon crash, etc. I'm not saying they are true or false claims, but preparations for such an event could have been made much earlier than one thinks.

The fact you're saying it's possible the Pentagon wasn't hit by a plane is already insane. It's not something you can debate.

And no, they couldn't have been made earlier. People would notice plane debris just happening to sit around on the lawn. The people involved in preparing it by tearing apart the plane would have blabbed.

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Also, granted, many people who would bring forth suspicious evidence from the WTC's or Pentagon would most likely be dead now or labeled as raving lunatics *cough*. And I'm not saying "Bush done it" - hell no - as established, he IS a retard. But it certainly is a distinct possibility that the US allowed in to happen or even aided it in happening.

Alright, so Bush wasn't involved. But you certainly didn't make it seem that way.

And if you want to say certain aspects of the WTC are suspicious, fine. I sorta feel the same way. But hypothesis must become observable evidence or it is meaningless. You haven't even presented any actual evidence in your posts. What did the government do to plant the explosives? Who might have done it?

What evidence am I supposed to post online; especially "evidence" that has most likely been destroyed or buried 15 feet under?

"The fact you're saying it's possible the Pentagon wasn't hit by a plane is already insane." You must not have read my reply thoroughly (or misinterpreted it); this is exactly the accusation I was trying to avoid.

"Alright, so Bush wasn't involved." - in the organization of the potential plan, no. He wouldn't have anything intelligible to add. But he may have simply been coerced into approving of a potential plan with the lure of exiting the White House richer than he ever dreamed of, with companies he has high stakes in raking in cash from the war machine.
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« Reply #96 on: October 14, 2010, 03:26:08 PM »
What evidence am I supposed to post online; especially "evidence" that has most likely been destroyed or buried 15 feet under?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Absence_of_evidence
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« Reply #97 on: October 14, 2010, 03:29:49 PM »
What evidence am I supposed to post online; especially "evidence" that has most likely been destroyed or buried 15 feet under?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Absence_of_evidence

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« Reply #98 on: October 14, 2010, 03:33:33 PM »
My reading of the thread leads me to believe it's you.
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« Reply #99 on: October 14, 2010, 03:42:03 PM »
What evidence am I supposed to post online; especially "evidence" that has most likely been destroyed or buried 15 feet under?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Absence_of_evidence

...Is it me, or did you just miss the whole point?

You are bringing an argument that essentially rests on evidence you are unable to produce. Because the existing evidence speaks against your theory, you are relying on the non-existent one.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2010, 03:43:12 PM »
What evidence am I supposed to post online; especially "evidence" that has most likely been destroyed or buried 15 feet under?

Well more than just typical Truther claims, for one. Any studies, reports, diagrams, charts, Etch-a-Sketches, anything. The stuff that made you actually believe there was a government involvement.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2010, 05:17:41 PM »
Having had a very personal experience with the CIVILIAN JET LINER that hit the Pentagon on 9/11, I'm going to say something radical here. We should have a rule that states basically that unless you have some new and earth shattering evidence to add to the events of that fateful day, then shut the fuck up, and keep this drivel out of here. I don't mean to offend anyone with that comment, but no one had to convince me it was an AIRPLANE that hit the Pentagon; and quite frankly for those of us who were basically RIGHT THERE, this type of bullshit only opens very raw, and emotional wounds, and is insensitive as fuck. I'd rather we just have a forum rule that says, "We have adopted REALITY as our guide on this issue, so leave your conspiracy theories about this topic at home in your mom's basement where they belong."

I hope you can understand my feelings about this, and I do not mean to be so straightforward, but for me, this is like if my parents were killed at fucking Treblinka, or Auschwitz and then you told me that it never happened. Fucking asshole extremists boarded airplanes on 9/11 and killed a whole bunch of innocent people. That is the truth. Sorry if that's hard to swallow for some people, and I know it doesn't make for good discussion at the conclusion of a fucking Pendragon or Conspiracy X meeting, but it was real...It happened. Let it the fuck go, please.

Again, I promise I mean no ill will to anyone personally. If you believe that horseshit, you may in fact be a real stand-up person, and I do not mean to disrepect you or name call in the slightest, but please keep that opinion to yourself, unless you have FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back it up. Here's a little hint: There is none to be found....anywhere.

While I wasn't IN the Pentagon that day, I WAS two blocks away. The fucking airplane flew over my house. It rattled my windows. I felt it's vibrations. I ran outside and WITNESSED the aftermath. I held a woman in my arms on the street while she repeated between heavy sobs over and over again how the people were looking out the windows at her as the plane went by. I could smell the jet fuel, and smoke. I saw the clipped light poles on the highway. I experienced first hand the aftermath, and the chaos at the Crystal City/Pentagon Mall. THOUSANDS of people all had the same experience that day. I lived through the months of therapy and the depression that followed. I wish I had NEVER experienced that. I am JEALOUS when I hear people share their experience of that day that they had through their TV set. While I saw the plane live on TV hit the WTC, like millions of other people,  I was there at the Pentagon. I can't EVER take that away. EVER. And even then I wasn't as unlucky as the stranger I held in my arms, while she bawled her eyes out.

I've shared this experience on the board once before. It was in a way therapeutic for me. Now, not so much. I don't want to share it again.

Sorry if I upset or pissed anyone off.
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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2010, 06:45:25 PM »
Very well said, Tempus. :clap:
I felt its length in quite a few places.

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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2010, 12:34:35 AM »
I'd rather we just have a forum rule that says, "We have adopted REALITY as our guide on this issue, so leave your conspiracy theories about this topic at home in your mom's basement where they belong."
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Re: 9/11 Official Story: True or False?
« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2010, 01:13:59 AM »
Having had a very personal experience with the CIVILIAN JET LINER that hit the Pentagon on 9/11, I'm going to say something radical here. We should have a rule that states basically that unless you have some new and earth shattering evidence to add to the events of that fateful day, then shut the fuck up, and keep this drivel out of here. I don't mean to offend anyone with that comment, but no one had to convince me it was an AIRPLANE that hit the Pentagon; and quite frankly for those of us who were basically RIGHT THERE, this type of bullshit only opens very raw, and emotional wounds, and is insensitive as fuck. I'd rather we just have a forum rule that says, "We have adopted REALITY as our guide on this issue, so leave your conspiracy theories about this topic at home in your mom's basement where they belong."

I hope you can understand my feelings about this, and I do not mean to be so straightforward, but for me, this is like if my parents were killed at fucking Treblinka, or Auschwitz and then you told me that it never happened. Fucking asshole extremists boarded airplanes on 9/11 and killed a whole bunch of innocent people. That is the truth. Sorry if that's hard to swallow for some people, and I know it doesn't make for good discussion at the conclusion of a fucking Pendragon or Conspiracy X meeting, but it was real...It happened. Let it the fuck go, please.

Again, I promise I mean no ill will to anyone personally. If you believe that horseshit, you may in fact be a real stand-up person, and I do not mean to disrepect you or name call in the slightest, but please keep that opinion to yourself, unless you have FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back it up. Here's a little hint: There is none to be found....anywhere.

While I wasn't IN the Pentagon that day, I WAS two blocks away. The fucking airplane flew over my house. It rattled my windows. I felt it's vibrations. I ran outside and WITNESSED the aftermath. I held a woman in my arms on the street while she repeated between heavy sobs over and over again how the people were looking out the windows at her as the plane went by. I could smell the jet fuel, and smoke. I saw the clipped light poles on the highway. I experienced first hand the aftermath, and the chaos at the Crystal City/Pentagon Mall. THOUSANDS of people all had the same experience that day. I lived through the months of therapy and the depression that followed. I wish I had NEVER experienced that. I am JEALOUS when I hear people share their experience of that day that they had through their TV set. While I saw the plane live on TV hit the WTC, like millions of other people,  I was there at the Pentagon. I can't EVER take that away. EVER. And even then I wasn't as unlucky as the stranger I held in my arms, while she bawled her eyes out.

I've shared this experience on the board once before. It was in a way therapeutic for me. Now, not so much. I don't want to share it again.

Sorry if I upset or pissed anyone off.

Can we all quote this, in its entirety, to add extra emphasis? Seriously. Grand slam of a post, Tempus.

Also, I dislike how the poll has like 10,000 options, but there's not a "The terrorists did it, not because 'they hate our freedom' but because our foreign policy in the Middle East over the past several decades has bred local contempt."