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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1540 on: June 25, 2021, 03:12:22 PM »
Coming around on this album, definitely their best in a while. It's not classic Helloween, obviously, but I like more than half of the songs here which is good. I respect Deris, but Kiske really makes this album shine for me. It's not even the high notes, it's just his voice works really well as a counterpoint to Andi's rougher voice.

I love him all throughout his range.
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1541 on: June 25, 2021, 04:04:50 PM »
Thatís the alternative vocals mix that was released with the Skyfall Edit single.
Ok, thanks. I thought it was diffrent but couldn't find info on it.
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1542 on: June 25, 2021, 04:12:40 PM »
'Helloween' has debuted on the official German Charts at number 1.
First time ever the band has been at the top of their home country charts.

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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1543 on: June 25, 2021, 04:24:35 PM »
'Helloween' has debuted on the official German Charts at number 1.
First time ever the band has been at the top of their home country charts.

I watched an interview with Ken Mary last night and apparently the new F&J is at #9. Germany doing it right!
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1544 on: June 25, 2021, 07:40:07 PM »
The part at :50 of Mass Pollution totally reminds me of Alex Harvey.

And :20 of Angels feels straight out of Heaven's Cove.
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1545 on: June 25, 2021, 08:24:11 PM »
'Mass Pollution' reminds of 'Riding On The Wind', the riff and vocals in the first chorus, sounds somewhat similar to my ears  :metal

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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1546 on: June 25, 2021, 08:31:45 PM »
'Mass Pollution' reminds of 'Riding On The Wind', the riff and vocals in the first chorus, sounds somewhat similar to my ears  :metal

Hmm..I'm trying, brother. :lol

Riding On The Wind is a Top 10 Priest tune for me.
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« Reply #1547 on: June 25, 2021, 08:54:58 PM »

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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1548 on: June 25, 2021, 08:57:17 PM »
Coming around on this album, definitely their best in a while. It's not classic Helloween, obviously, but I like more than half of the songs here which is good. I respect Deris, but Kiske really makes this album shine for me. It's not even the high notes, it's just his voice works really well as a counterpoint to Andi's rougher voice.

I think my favorite line from Kiske on the entire album is in Skyfall where he goes: "The dark, the fear of the night
And the pain settles down deep within"


Followed by Andi's amazing "Coming home to a place still unknown And the hope as I dream is undying"
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1549 on: June 25, 2021, 08:59:28 PM »
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1550 on: June 25, 2021, 09:15:30 PM »
https://youtu.be/BRlKD1-QALY

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Love the comments.

Popeye being strangled.
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« Reply #1551 on: June 26, 2021, 12:13:33 PM »
The album is coming together for me. I like how it doesn't pander to nostalgic people - here's another Eagle, here's another Dr. Stein.... it's "just" a modern Helloween album with the added benefit of Kiske's vocals, and a monumental epic by Kai Hansen. Solid stuff.
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1552 on: June 26, 2021, 05:51:50 PM »
My CD was delivered today!!!

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« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2021, 05:57:16 PM »
Got mine last week from CD Japan, waiting for the vinyl versions now.
More restrictions where I live so I can't travel to my 'local' metal shop in person.

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« Reply #1554 on: June 27, 2021, 04:18:34 AM »
My CD was delivered today!!!



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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1555 on: June 27, 2021, 09:06:09 AM »
To this day, that is one of my favorite scenes in the movie. I get choked up only looking at the GIF.

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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1556 on: June 28, 2021, 02:35:02 PM »
This album grows on me every day. I really dig the old school feel to it while still sounding fresh. I love the section 4:00 in Out for the Glory with the riffs and bass lines and King Diamond:esque screams.
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1557 on: June 28, 2021, 02:45:03 PM »
Check out what arrived for me today with a couple of other purchases. Click to enlarge. This is the prettiest looking vinyl I've ever owned, hats off to the band for such awe inspiring artwork.



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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1558 on: June 28, 2021, 03:09:18 PM »
That looks amazing.
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« Reply #1559 on: June 28, 2021, 03:14:29 PM »
Check out what arrived for me today with a couple of other purchases. Click to enlarge. This is the prettiest looking vinyl I've ever owned, hats off to the band for such awe inspiring artwork.




Damn, is that the "regular" picture disc version? I usually don't buy picture discs but that looks ace.

I love that recently some bands have been returning to good artwork.

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« Reply #1560 on: June 28, 2021, 03:16:50 PM »
It is this version. I wasn't expecting to get it so quickly. I ordered it exactly one week ago (Monday night) and it shipped Friday. https://shop.nuclearblast.com/en/products/sound/vinyl/2pic-lp/helloween-helloween-picture-vinyl-import-.html

I'm not even going to play it. This thing is staying in its package forever and will just be taken out to admire occasionally. That's the only reason I buy new vinyls; I only listen to 'older' vinyls on my record player.

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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1561 on: June 28, 2021, 03:50:18 PM »
Picture Disc vinyl are great to look at, but quality is poor and I never play mine.

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« Reply #1562 on: June 28, 2021, 04:11:45 PM »
That's a magnificent looking picture disc indeed.
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« Reply #1563 on: June 29, 2021, 01:50:59 AM »
The best thing about it is Cyanide leading into Orbit and Skyfall. Damn, I wish Down in the dumps was among the bonus tracks on the CD issue as well.  :lol

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« Reply #1564 on: June 29, 2021, 05:02:42 AM »
The best thing about it is Cyanide leading into Orbit and Skyfall. Damn, I wish Down in the dumps was among the bonus tracks on the CD issue as well.  :lol

That's interesting with that tracklisting.
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« Reply #1565 on: June 29, 2021, 07:26:50 AM »
Down in the Dumps is one of my favorites. It's such a fierce song and Andi's screams are the cherry on the top.

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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1566 on: June 29, 2021, 04:32:28 PM »
The best thing about it is Cyanide leading into Orbit and Skyfall. Damn, I wish Down in the dumps was among the bonus tracks on the CD issue as well.  :lol

That's interesting with that tracklisting.

I love Down In The Dumps. The vocals on that are ridiculous and the vocal harmonies and melodies are great. If I could make one switch, I'd swap out Cyanide for Golden Times.
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« Reply #1567 on: June 29, 2021, 07:39:00 PM »
This album is a clinic in vocal harmonies. In an interview with Kiske, he said that Dennis Ward was basically in charge of the vocals. Instead of the guys hammering out which parts they'd sing, Ward created a roadmap of who'd sing what. They said that 60% of the vocals were as planned by Ward, but that the other 40% were decided in studio after hearing each singer sing.

Kiske also said the Kai expected to sing Skyfall, and was pretty adamant about it.
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« Reply #1568 on: June 30, 2021, 04:06:17 AM »
I really liked Skyfall when I first heard it, but as I like it more with each listening, I now really love the song. Same applies to the entire album to some extent.

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« Reply #1569 on: June 30, 2021, 04:27:59 AM »
I really liked Skyfall when I first heard it, but as I like it more with each listening, I now really love the song. Same applies to the entire album to some extent.
Yea it's been a real grower the whole album for me.

Right now favourites are:

Out for the Glory (2:30  :metal)
Fear of the Fallen (4:30 layered vocal section)
Robot King (Love the straight to the point chorus with the high vocals)
Golden Times
Skyfall

This album is a clinic in vocal harmonies. In an interview with Kiske, he said that Dennis Ward was basically in charge of the vocals. Instead of the guys hammering out which parts they'd sing, Ward created a roadmap of who'd sing what. They said that 60% of the vocals were as planned by Ward, but that the other 40% were decided in studio after hearing each singer sing.

Kiske also said the Kai expected to sing Skyfall, and was pretty adamant about it.
Yea there's so many great vocal layers in the mix. Who is actually singing the really high pitched parts?
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1570 on: June 30, 2021, 06:09:06 AM »
Who is actually singing the really high pitched parts?

Most likely it's Kiske, but I think Deris can get up there too.
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1571 on: June 30, 2021, 07:03:46 PM »
Also, Dani recorded this album on Ingo's drums.
Oh interesting, the drums sounds so huge especially the toms. I wonder what kind of afterwork that's been done from the acoustic stage.

Found a video of Daniel playing on the Keepers kit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXZH50QM6GQ&ab_channel=Helloween

Also stumbled upon some footage of Ingo in action. As a drummer sometimes i'm blown away how ahead of it's time some were, I mean hearing someone blasting away on doublepedals in 1989 wasn't exactly as common as it is today. Altough I was 7 at that time so how would I know I guess. :lol

Helloween - Eagle Fly Free (Ingo Schwichtenberg) 1989 Live in Japan
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Re: Official Helloween thread v. Pumpkins United
« Reply #1572 on: June 30, 2021, 07:42:16 PM »
Also stumbled upon some footage of Ingo in action. As a drummer sometimes i'm blown away how ahead of it's time some were, I mean hearing someone blasting away on doublepedals in 1989 wasn't exactly as common as it is today. Altough I was 7 at that time so how would I know I guess. :lol

Helloween - Eagle Fly Free (Ingo Schwichtenberg) 1989 Live in Japan

I've seen that before and yes, it is ridiculous. :metal
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« Reply #1573 on: July 01, 2021, 07:48:15 AM »
This popped up on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZX3kwkAaNs

Full concert from the Master of the Rings tour. Could be fun...

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« Reply #1574 on: July 01, 2021, 08:51:27 PM »
This popped up on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZX3kwkAaNs

Full concert from the Master of the Rings tour. Could be fun...

I was watching part of that the other day. Very cool.




Was just watching an interview with Andi. He mentioned that the band's original running order had Fear Of The Fallen as the first track, but the record company wanted Out For The Glory.


Down In The Dumps continues to grow on me. Such great melodic vocal lines throughout the entire song.
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You know that a mark of a great song is if TAC hates it with a special passion.