Author Topic: The Haken thread v. Restoration (Read 413838 times)

ElliottTamer · « **Reply #1960 on:** September 16, 2013, 07:05:35 PM »

Quote from: Jaq on September 16, 2013, 06:47:11 PM

Quote from: Lucien on September 15, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
I think this DT album could touch The Mountain. Shoot me.

DT12 > The Mountain.

Come at me.

I beg to differ! After listening to DT12 only four times and The Mountain over 50 times, I would say The Mountain is definitely the superior album. DT12 sure brings a lot of sound and fury, and maybe it just hasn't clicked for me yet, but it seems to lack The Mountain's a)cohesion, b) ambition, c) variety and d) lyrical depth.

It's all a matter of taste and opinion, I guess, but here's an equation I hope few will disagree with:
The Mountain + DT12 = Happy Prog Fans

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm actually liking DT12 quite a lot. Going in for my fifth listen now!

Lucidity · « **Reply #1961 on:** September 16, 2013, 07:17:44 PM »

The Mountain > DT12

Jaq · « **Reply #1962 on:** September 16, 2013, 07:19:42 PM »

When I go Moon Safari's Himlabacken Vol. 1 > DT12 > The Mountain, that's about when people will start getting ANNOYED

Heretic · « **Reply #1963 on:** September 16, 2013, 08:36:43 PM »

from my perspective, thinking that DT's newest album (which is full of some good stuff but also some of the most uninspired by-the-numbers songwriting I've ever heard) is better than Haken's newest release (which is so inspired, energetic, and shows the band on the top of their game) is mind-boggling.

but y'know, opinions.

Dark Castle · « **Reply #1964 on:** September 16, 2013, 08:42:29 PM »

Yeah, it's funny, I think DT12 is their most radular album yet, only (for now) behind Images & Words.

Haken just don't do it for me really.

Mister Gold · « **Reply #1965 on:** September 16, 2013, 08:51:37 PM »

Quote from: Dark Castle on September 16, 2013, 08:42:29 PM

Yeah, it's funny, I think DT12 is their most radular album yet, only (for now) behind Images & Words.

Haken just don't do it for me really.

I'm not a particularly big fan of Haken either, though I very much liked what I've heard off of The Mountain. I definitely prefer DT12 over it too, though I think the upcoming Fates Warning album is going to top both albums.

Orthogonal · « **Reply #1966 on:** September 16, 2013, 09:13:30 PM »

Oh god, I'm having such hard time comparing The Mountain and DT12, picking a favorite is like picking a favorite child. I love them both so much. Gonna be hard ranking 2013 albums this year. Already had so many stellar releases and we still have Fates Warning and Ayreon to look forward too.

LieLowTheWantedMan · « **Reply #1967 on:** September 16, 2013, 10:34:56 PM »

God this band is consistent.

The Mountain >>> DT12 for me, heh.

Lolzeez · « **Reply #1968 on:** September 16, 2013, 10:42:56 PM »

DT12 >>>>> The Mountain

Zydar · « **Reply #1969 on:** September 16, 2013, 11:31:11 PM »

Quote from: Lucidity on September 16, 2013, 07:17:44 PM

The Mountain > DT12

At the moment, this.

MrBoom_shack-a-lack · « **Reply #1970 on:** September 17, 2013, 12:25:19 AM »

Funny, I don't feel the need in comparing The Mountain with DT like many of you do. Though I can say now with confidence that The Mountain sounds like Haken and DT sounds like DT and i'm very happy with that. Both bands surprised me in a good way.

ariich · « **Reply #1971 on:** September 17, 2013, 12:58:18 AM »

Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 17, 2013, 12:25:19 AM

Funny, I don't feel the need in comparing The Mountain with DT like many of you do. Though I can say now with confidence that The Mountain sounds like Haken and DT sounds like DT and i'm very happy with that. Both bands surprised me in a good way.

Exactly. Personally though, I do prefer The Mountain, but just because it's more suited to my tastes. Both are great!

Quote from: Elite on September 16, 2013, 03:50:22 PM

Quote from: ariich on September 16, 2013, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: moof on September 16, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
Anybody in the uk going to the Haken and Maschine gig in Nov?
Yep, already bought my ticket! Would be great to get a mini DTF meetup.

I WANT IN TOO. But I need to get to the UK first.

DO IT. COME TO LONDON.

BlackInk · « **Reply #1972 on:** September 17, 2013, 01:47:58 AM »

DT12 is fine, not near the top of the DT albums but it's fine. But The Mountain is so far above DT12 I had to climb staircases for three days just to get to it.

Elite · « **Reply #1973 on:** September 17, 2013, 01:51:09 AM »

Quote from: ariich on September 17, 2013, 12:58:18 AM

Quote from: Elite on September 16, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: ariich on September 16, 2013, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: moof on September 16, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
Anybody in the uk going to the Haken and Maschine gig in Nov?
Yep, already bought my ticket! Would be great to get a mini DTF meetup.

I WANT IN TOO. But I need to get to the UK first.
DO IT. COME TO LONDON.

Seriously, it's in London? That's actually pretty doable..

ariich · « **Reply #1974 on:** September 17, 2013, 02:28:50 AM »

Yep, at the Borderline.

me7 · « **Reply #1975 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:02:17 AM »

After The Mountain, comparing Haken to DT doesn't make sense to me anymore. On Aquarius and especially on Visions, comparisons to DT were easy. The Mountain, however, is different. Take Preidolia as an example, a 11 minute song that doesn't have any clear guitar or keyboard solos. Where do you even start to compare it to a DT song?

I don't feel comfortable expressing my opinion too loudly after only two listens to DT12, but I can say one thing with certainty: The Mountain is crazier and more eccentric than DT12, but still manages to be more cohesive and accessible. DT12 sometimes seems to act as if it's more complex than it really is.

Elite · « **Reply #1976 on:** September 17, 2013, 06:28:08 AM »

Quote from: ariich on September 17, 2013, 02:28:50 AM

Yep, at the Borderline.

It would definitely be fun joining in on that show! (Well, I'd think so

) I'll have to look into the possibilities of making it happen though. It seems I have a day off on the Monday, so the time shouldn't really be an issue. Getting to London and back is going to be though.

Nekov · « **Reply #1977 on:** September 17, 2013, 06:32:09 AM »

After 2 1/2 listens on DT12 I would say The Mountain has higher moments but as an overall I like DT12 better. All the quirkiness in TM makes it lose consistency while DT12 is the other way around, not so many great moments but more enjoyable to listen throughout. Plus, DTs ballads are more touching.

BlackInk · « **Reply #1978 on:** September 17, 2013, 07:28:57 AM »

Quote from: Nekov on September 17, 2013, 06:32:09 AM

Plus, DTs ballads are more touching.

For me it's the other way around. DT's ballads are often boringly predictable and lately very cheesy.

Zydar · « **Reply #1979 on:** September 17, 2013, 07:32:15 AM »

Quote from: BlackInk on September 17, 2013, 07:28:57 AM

Quote from: Nekov on September 17, 2013, 06:32:09 AM
Plus, DTs ballads are more touching.

For me it's the other way around. DT's ballads are often boringly predictable and lately very cheesy.

Yeah their ballads hasn't interested me since the days of Disappear and Vacant.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #1980 on:** September 17, 2013, 10:20:11 AM »

But Beneath The Surface.

Mindflux · « **Reply #1981 on:** September 17, 2013, 10:31:50 AM »

Got my copy today (USA). Came with 2 bonus tracks, huzah.

Big Hath · « **Reply #1982 on:** September 17, 2013, 11:01:41 AM »

Quote from: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 10:31:50 AM

Got my copy today (USA). Came with 2 bonus tracks, huzah.

where did you order from?

Mindflux · « **Reply #1983 on:** September 17, 2013, 11:02:47 AM »

Quote from: Big Hath on September 17, 2013, 11:01:41 AM

Quote from: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 10:31:50 AM
Got my copy today (USA). Came with 2 bonus tracks, huzah.

where did you order from?

Amazon

Mindflux · « **Reply #1984 on:** September 17, 2013, 11:20:28 AM »

This album might make me JIMP.

Elite · « **Reply #1985 on:** September 17, 2013, 11:23:24 AM »

Quote from: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 11:20:28 AM

This album might make me JIMP.

TANTALISED BY THE COCKROACH KING

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1986 on:** September 17, 2013, 01:18:29 PM »

Just picked it up today. Can't wait to spin it tonight.

GasparXR · « **Reply #1987 on:** September 17, 2013, 01:47:43 PM »

My copy unfortunately didn't arrive yet.

I won't be able to accurately rank TM against DT12 since I'm only familiar with the former as of yet. I'm sure it will be close though. I can already tell DT12 blew my expectations out of the water, and I felt that MAYBE TM would actually beat DT12 for album of the year, but I really don't know anymore.

Big Hath · « **Reply #1988 on:** September 17, 2013, 02:02:23 PM »

Quote from: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 11:02:47 AM

Quote from: Big Hath on September 17, 2013, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 10:31:50 AM
Got my copy today (USA). Came with 2 bonus tracks, huzah.

where did you order from?

Amazon

and you ordered the version they've been preselling? Just making sure because I am thinking about ordering through amazon as well.

me7 · « **Reply #1989 on:** September 17, 2013, 02:07:15 PM »

While I prefer TM, I'm not sure that pitting them against each other makes much sense. TM is a great example of "PROGRESSIVE metal" while DT12 is more of a "progressive METAL" record. Your opinion will depend more on your genre preference than on the quality of the albums.

Anyway:

The Mountain

DT12

BlackInk · « **Reply #1990 on:** September 17, 2013, 02:44:15 PM »

For me it's

The Mountain -

Dream Theater -

Mindflux · « **Reply #1991 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:23:08 PM »

Quote from: Big Hath on September 17, 2013, 02:02:23 PM

Quote from: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: Big Hath on September 17, 2013, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 10:31:50 AM
Got my copy today (USA). Came with 2 bonus tracks, huzah.

where did you order from?

Amazon

and you ordered the version they've been preselling? Just making sure because I am thinking about ordering through amazon as well.

Yes. There's only one version up there last I looked (I preordered as soon as it was up, before it even had artwork with it)

Mosh · « **Reply #1992 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:45:54 PM »

Pre ordered too, but I guess since I ordered with Aquarius and did the free shipping, I won't get it til next week.

Worth the wait though.

Orthogonal · « **Reply #1993 on:** September 17, 2013, 05:26:39 PM »

Get Prime and they ship orders separately in those cases. They even overnight stuff to get stuff that is delayed some times.

Lucidity · « **Reply #1994 on:** September 17, 2013, 06:06:38 PM »

The Mountain-

Dream Theater-

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