Not a good week for Obama, huh? LOL

[SnakeEyes]

Both videos.... especially the AIDS one.... wow.  LOL 

https://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100924/el_yblog_upshot/obamas-no-good-very-bad-week;_ylt=AojhhCYesGP29ILlq4Lpxqus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTRhdDlkdG0wBGFzc2V0A3libG9nX3Vwc2hvdC8yMDEwMDkyNC9vYmFtYXMtbm8tZ29vZC12ZXJ5LWJhZC13ZWVrBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDNwRwb3MDNARwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA29iYW1hc25vLWdvbw--

[El Barto]

Blaming him for congressional obstructionism is bullshit, but certainly not surprising.  People, right or wrong, have expectations that aren't possible to meet in this climate; see the democracy/failure thread. 

However, what I find intriguing is that he's catching heat from his own supporters; I find that somewhat refreshing.  Dumbass surrounded himself with loyalists who would defend him no matter how badly he fucked things up.  Perhaps if some of his supporters had been willing to tell him when he was bungling something, things might have gone better.  You always expect to be criticized by your opposition, but hearing it from your allies stings.  Obama deserves some of it, and Chimpy damn sure could have used some, as well. 

However, at the end of the day it just doesn't matter.  Both of them and all who come after do whatever they want, and none of us have anything to say or do about it.   They couldn't do anything differently, even if they wanted to.     

[Nigerius Rex]

The man can work a room, I'll give him that.

I guess the other things like leading a country and being just don't really matter.

[rumborak]

I don't get it. I watched both videos, and in both of them he came out looking good. What am i missing?

rumborak

[William Wallace]

Both videos.... especially the AIDS one.... wow.  LOL 

https://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100924/el_yblog_upshot/obamas-no-good-very-bad-week;_ylt=AojhhCYesGP29ILlq4Lpxqus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTRhdDlkdG0wBGFzc2V0A3libG9nX3Vwc2hvdC8yMDEwMDkyNC9vYmFtYXMtbm8tZ29vZC12ZXJ5LWJhZC13ZWVrBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDNwRwb3MDNARwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA29iYW1hc25vLWdvbw--

I can't stand his policies or his smarmy, condescending attitude, but he bitch slapped both of them. What are you getting all worked up over, snake eyes?

[SnakeEyes]

Are you people insane?  HE won the argument?  Watch the videos again.  Thank you.  That's all I can say. 

[rumborak]

SnakeEyes, none of us here is the same level of Obama hater as you are. To any moderate, Obama looked good in those videos.

rumborak

[Perpetual Change]

Yeah, El Barto nailed it.

[SnakeEyes]

SnakeEyes, none of us here is the same level of Obama hater as you are. To any moderate, Obama looked good in those videos.

Um, I don't "hate" anyone.  Why can't someone just dislike his policies without being called a "hater"?  

Now, to get back onto the actual topic, Obama gave the woman three things he has done as his rebuttal:

-  college loans
-  credit cards
-  health care

Now, let's talk about these things.  Let's take college loans.  First of all, you don't HAVE to go to a really expensive school.  You CAN start out at a community college (I actually did this, so I know) and then move on to a four-year college.  That's more of a sidenote than anything.  But, what if you don't have kids?  Or, what if you don't have kids who are anywhere near the age of going to college?  Or, what if you don't have kids that want to go to college?

The second point - credit cards.  Okay, that's one thing I have given Obama credit for.  I think that's a good thing.  I'm sure that will help the middle class in some way, but for Obama to say that this dinky little law is going to massively help the middle class in this awful recession is just absurd.  Like I said, it's a good thing and no one can argue that it isn't, but it's not going to get us out of the situation we're in.  So, yeah, that point is void.  

The last one - health care - first of all, health care isn't going to kick in for another couple of years, so overall, this point is void, too.  Health care hasn't helped anyone yet.  Then, he made the point about pre-existing conditions.  This is just like the credit card thing - maybe it's a good thing, but it's not going to do anything!  

Making some dinky little law about how credit card companies handle their fees and signing a health care bill that won't even kick in for another couple of years isn't evidence of anything.  I'd say Obama got bitch slapped and he had to go to his pre-planned list of things to recite just in case someone called him out.  

[SnakeEyes]

Oh, and the AIDS video....

So, all the advocates for AIDS funding are pissed because he hasn't lived up to his promise to fund AIDS as much as he said he was going to and his reply.... "uh, well, if the Republicans were in control, you wouldn't have ANY funding!" 



Oh, yeah, he really told them!  LOL!

[Perpetual Change]

LOL!!!!!

OBAMA!!!!!!!!! ROFL!

Edit: Honestly, it's really not that funny, and the videos really didn't make Obama look especially bad. This kind of shit from both the right and the far left has pretty much defined Obama's stewardship over the US presidency. The fact that he's still got a degree of composure at this point says a lot. Even though I'm not exactly happy with him, the way he handles the public is much better than what we had under W.

I could start a list of campaign promises not kept by Obama or W., or any other president. And, you know what? It'd take awhile, but I think all the lists would be at about the same length. Thankfully, I'm a moderate, so I don't start fapping every time I see a candidate from the party I don't like showing signs of inconsistency.

[SnakeEyes]

We're not talking about Bush, we're talking about Obama.  And, how he handles the public doesn't matter.  What matters is what he says and what he says is BS.  His BS is what makes him look bad. 

[Perpetual Change]

We're not talking about Bush, we're talking about Obama.  And, how he handles the public doesn't matter.  What matters is what he says and what he says is BS.  His BS is what makes him look bad. 

And I'm pointing out that the level of hilarity you suggest here (lol's around every corner) completely disappears when you consider that this is what always happens, and, in Obama's case, it's happened to a much lesser degree than some of the fiascos that have happened in our nation's recent history.

[SnakeEyes]

No, it's just funny in every case and this is no exception.  Why is it funny for Bush, but "disappears" for Obama?

[Perpetual Change]

I don't mean this in a bad way but, given your posting history, I have absolutely no reason to believe that you thought it was funny (or even extant) under Bush.

It just seems like this is another LOL OBAMA SUX topic that doesn't really bring anything new to discuss. Most people would probably agree that he's doing a bad job, but the attitude here is just bad. The whole "LOL LOOK WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID WRONG TODAY" thing is the reason why I don't watch shows like Oberman and Hannity, and I'm surprised you'd think the regulars here are into that kind of thing.

[SnakeEyes]

Sure I did, when Bush was wrong.  

edit..

By the way - were you posting on these forums around 2004/ 2005?

[GuineaPig]

SnakeEyes, none of us here is the same level of Obama hater as you are. To any moderate, Obama looked good in those videos.

Now, let's talk about these things.  Let's take college loans.  First of all, you don't HAVE to go to a really expensive school.  You CAN start out at a community college (I actually did this, so I know) and then move on to a four-year college.  That's more of a sidenote than anything.  But, what if you don't have kids?  Or, what if you don't have kids who are anywhere near the age of going to college?  Or, what if you don't have kids that want to go to college?

Wait a second, you don't support the idea of college loans?

[SnakeEyes]

I never said that.  I just think that some parents want to send their kids to schools that they know they can't afford when there are other options.  Like I said, kids can start college at community college or cheaper state schools, then go somewhere else for higher education later.  Plus, like I said - that was more of a sidenote, anyway.  Why'd you ignore the rest of my main points?

[El Barto]

Alright.  I'll play.

From what my quick bit of research suggests,  the Student loans thing actually looks like a pretty good plan.  They're not handouts, they're loans that'll be repayed with interest.  The only people who get hurt in this deal is Fannie Mae, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't your right wing leaders the guys trying to convince everybody that Fannie Mae is the mother-fucking Antichrist?  The government reinvests the money it's not giving to Fannie into better loan conditions so that it's citizens are better able to pay for ridiculously overpriced educations.  Not sure where the actual problem is.

I actually agree with you about the credit card thing.  It's pretty nice and I appreciate it.  It's not really helping me very much, though.

I suppose you're factually correct about Obamacare not doing anything yet, for whatever that's worth.  Though I will point out that coverage for pre-existing conditions is huge.  It's about time.

And honestly, the post really does come across as obvious trolling.  Over the years, you've become associated with blind loyalty and blind hatred of the two parties.  Perhaps you might actually be trying to start some actual discourse, but "LOL, Obama SUCKS!" doesn't really convey that. 

[Perpetual Change]

Sure I did, when Bush was wrong.  

edit..

By the way - were you posting on these forums around 2004/ 2005?

I was around, but not in P/R. So... when was Bush wrong? Sorry, but as El Barto just ninja'd me in pointing out, most of your posts in this particular forum as long as I've been visiting have been rushing to the defense of the Republicans and bringing up "issues" currently making the rounds in the Rupert Murdoch "news" circuit.

[William Wallace]

We're not talking about Bush, we're talking about Obama.  And, how he handles the public doesn't matter.  What matters is what he says and what he says is BS.  His BS is what makes him look bad. 

How he handles the public does matter. Most people aren't going to seriously analyze his policies, and that's why winning rhetorical battles means so much. Is flooding universities with money going to make a college degree more useful or improve education? No. But when you can come back at angry, middle age women on the fly with clear answers, you win the P/R fight. Obama did that admirably in those videos. 

[orcus116]

I suppose you're factually correct about Obamacare not doing anything yet, for whatever that's worth.  Though I will point out that coverage for pre-existing conditions is huge.  It's about time.

Hasn't most of it not even gone into effect yet aside from the pre-existing conditions portion which just did? It's hard to judge the results of something that hasn't even started.

[GuineaPig]

But socialism.

[SnakeEyes]

From what my quick bit of research suggests,  the Student loans thing actually looks like a pretty good plan.  They're not handouts, they're loans that'll be repayed with interest.  The only people who get hurt in this deal is Fannie Mae, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't your right wing leaders the guys trying to convince everybody that Fannie Mae is the mother-fucking Antichrist?  The government reinvests the money it's not giving to Fannie into better loan conditions so that it's citizens are better able to pay for ridiculously overpriced educations.  Not sure where the actual problem is.

Well, I don't remember saying there was a problem with it.  What I did say was that it's not massively going to help the middle class and get us out of a recession.  It might help parents whose kids are going to college, but it's not going to do a thing for the parents who don't have kids old enough to be in school or whose kids don't want to go to school. 

And honestly, the post really does come across as obvious trolling.  Over the years, you've become associated with blind loyalty and blind hatred of the two parties.  Perhaps you might actually be trying to start some actual discourse, but "LOL, Obama SUCKS!" doesn't really convey that. 

"Chimpy"? 

How he handles the public does matter. Most people aren't going to seriously analyze his policies, and that's why winning rhetorical battles means so much. Is flooding universities with money going to make a college degree more useful or improve education? No. But when you can come back at angry, middle age women on the fly with clear answers, you win the P/R fight. Obama did that admirably in those videos.

So, what you're saying is that Obama won the fight, not on substance, but on how well he can BS?  Right?  I just want to be clear about that. 

I was around, but not in P/R. So... when was Bush wrong? Sorry, but as El Barto just ninja'd me in pointing out, most of your posts in this particular forum as long as I've been visiting have been rushing to the defense of the Republicans and bringing up "issues" currently making the rounds in the Rupert Murdoch "news" circuit.

If you had been around in 2004, you would have seen people who didn't like Bush doing the SAME EXACT THING every single day, 24 hours a day on this forum (well, DT.net.... close enough).  But, I didn't bitch and complain about it saying, "you're a hater!"  You know what I did?  I actually replied to the points they made.  Now, it's Obama's turn and I'm a "troll," even though it was perfectly fine five or six years ago.   

[Perpetual Change]

If you had been around in 2004, you would have seen people who didn't like Bush doing the SAME EXACT THING every single day, 24 hours a day on this forum (well, DT.net.... close enough).  But, I didn't bitch and complain about it saying, "you're a hater!"  You know what I did?  I actually replied to the points they made.  Now, it's Obama's turn and I'm a "troll," even though it was perfectly fine five or six years ago.  

To borrow your logic, we're not talking about DT.net. We're talking about now. And furthermore, there's no point to respond to here. As WW pointed out, Obama looks good in those videos. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, they make him look the same cool-headed and rational politician that won the election. Frankly, I'm not sure what response your looking for. You post up a topic "ROFLMAOBAMA*", there's nothing to laugh about, and now you're acting like any of this requires and intellectual response.

*I'm really proud of this. Not only did I manage to suffix Obama to ROFLMAO, but ROFLMAOBAMA actually has the name "Mao" written in the middle. Can I join the Tea Party now?

[El Barto]

And honestly, the post really does come across as obvious trolling.  Over the years, you've become associated with blind loyalty and blind hatred of the two parties.  Perhaps you might actually be trying to start some actual discourse, but "LOL, Obama SUCKS!" doesn't really convey that. 

"Chimpy"? 

First off, I never started any threads suggesting that Bush's apelike facade made him a bad president.  That would have been trolling.  Secondly, I think my analysis over the years has been pretty fair and even-handed, so I don't think that anybody here would begrudge me the right to poke fun at him for being an evolutionary throwback.  It's certainly not like I haven't referred to his successor as President Dickhead plenty of times.  (Yes, I know it's not very creative, but I'm still looking for something that's as natural a fit as Dumbasss before him.) 

[rumborak]

I for one am still personally convinced that SnakeEyes is just TheTerminator. Exactly same blind support for Bush, and appeared shortly after TT was banned.

rumborak

[Progmetty]

I don't see what promotes frantic laughter in these videos honestly.

[SnakeEyes]

To borrow your logic, we're not talking about DT.net. We're talking about now.

When DT.net ended, most of the same people went to one of two forums and this is one of them.  Therefore, a lot of the same people from DT.net are here.   

And furthermore, there's no point to respond to here. As WW pointed out, Obama looks good in those videos. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, they make him look the same cool-headed and rational politician that won the election. Frankly, I'm not sure what response your looking for. You post up a topic "ROFLMAOBAMA*", there's nothing to laugh about, and now you're acting like any of this requires and intellectual response.

It's a difference of opinion.  You think that just because he was able to completely BS through an answer, that it somehow made him look good.  If that's all it takes to make you happy with the people who are running this country, that's fine.  What I look for is depth and whether the person really believes what he or she is saying, not how they're appearing to look.  And, I'd say most people agree with me because the video with the lady in the town hall meeting has been all over the news - and, not to show Obama in a positive light (and, also not just on Fox News). 

And, as for, "there's nothing to laugh about," yeah there is.  And, to Obama there was, too, because HE LAUGHED when the first woman asked him the question because he knew she got him and he knew he was about to BS his way through a reply to her.  To anyone that actually cares whether the President of the United States is being honest and not trying to save his own butt, his answers were funny.  An honest answer would have been something like, "Well, I thank you for your support, but - instead of doing something about the economy, like trying to creat jobs or help the economy grow - I spent the past year and a half trying to get a health care bill passed that no one wanted.  I completely disregarded the will of the people, especially when Scott Brown was elected and I lost the vote necessary for Health Care, and even went so far as to pass the bill without support from the Republicans, even though I said I was going to be a uniter, not a divider.  So, to answer your question, maam, I didn't do a damn thing to actually help the middle class.  I've just been worrying about my legacy and how *I'll*look, even though none of you people really wanted this." 

THAT is why his answers were hilarious - because what I wrote is the truth and he actually had the audacity to pass off his BS as valid examples of, "how he has helped the middle class."  But, hey, as long as he looked good doing it!   
 

[Perpetual Change]

If that's all it takes to make you happy with the people who are running this country, that's fine.

Never said that.

What I look for is depth and whether the person really believes what he or she is saying, not how they're appearing to look.

LOLkay.

And, I'd say most people agree with me because the video with the lady in the town hall meeting has been all over the news - and, not to show Obama in a positive light (and, also not just on Fox News).  

I haven't seen it anyway. Newsmax is not a real alternative to Fox.

And, as for, "there's nothing to laugh about," yeah there is.

No, there isn't.

And, to Obama there was, too, because HE LAUGHED when the first woman asked him the question because he knew she got him and he knew he was about to BS his way through a reply to her.

Now you're just twisting things.

To anyone that actually cares whether the President of the United States is being honest and not trying to save his own butt, his answers were funny.

Yeah, SnakeEyes, you're right. That's why people don't find it funny. Because they don't care about the country, unlike you.

 An honest answer would have been something like, "Well, I thank you for your support, but - instead of doing something about the economy, like trying to creat jobs or help the economy grow - I spent the past year and a half trying to get a health care bill passed that no one wanted.

Uh, these leftists supporters you keep showing wanted a BETTER health-care bill, not the one Republicans forced him to water down. So no.

because what I wrote is the truth

No

and he actually had the audacity to pass off his BS as valid examples of, "how he has helped the middle class."  

And you call that a bad week?

This reminds me of watching the Cheney/Edwards debate years ago. Who won that debate? Edwards. Who came out, through BS, confidence, lying, twisting questions, and all-around looking like the winner? Cheney. Who had the bad week? Edwards. Who had the good week?

LOLCHENEY

[William Wallace]

o, what you're saying is that Obama won the fight, not on substance, but on how well he can BS?  Right?  I just want to be clear about that.

Yes. That's the essence of politics - bullshit.

[SnakeEyes]

Never said that.

This is what you said:

As WW pointed out, Obama looks good in those videos. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, they make him look the same cool-headed and rational politician that won the election.

You clearly agreed with WW that Obama won the, "P/R fight" because he was able to BS the woman and it didn't matter because, as WW said:

Most people aren't going to seriously analyze his policies, and that's why winning rhetorical battles means so much.

So, yeah, you did say that. 

Uh, these leftists supporters you keep showing wanted a BETTER health-care bill, not the one Republicans forced him to water down. So no.

Uh, I don't believe I specified which groups did or didn't want the health care bill passed and to what extent they would have been satisfied with one.  I think I said, ".... health care bill that NO ONE wanted." 

And, by, "no one," I meant the majority of people.  I realize that there are still some crazy people in the world who want the government to control every little thing and think that the government owes people everything.  But, unfortunately for these people, there's this other, rational group of people.... they're called logical people.... who don't want the government controlling their health care and don't want their taxes raised to pay for it or, like me, don't want wealthier people paying for their health care. 

The people of MA are a great example.  I live on the RI/ MA line and I work in MA, so I had conversations with tons of people during the whole Scott Brown election.  I used to think that MA was a crazy liberal state, and parts kind of are, but there are A LOT of moderate people who proved that they won't automatically vote "Democrat" just because they voted for Ted Kennedy for 150 years.  They had a clear choice between a pro-Obamacare candidate and a guy who was going to shoot Obamacrap right down.  And, they chose the guy who was going to shoot it down. 

So, going back to my original point - instead of actually doing something about the economy, Obama spent a year and a half ramming a bill down the throats of the American people when that's not what we needed.  Then, this lady calls him out for not doing anything and he [comedically] uses health care - the thing he was busy doing that no one wanted - as an example of something that allegedly "helped her" - DESPITE the economy still being in the toilet and unemployment being sky-high.  And, you don't find any humor in this?  And, then to top it all off, health care hasn't even kicked in yet and he's still using it as an example. 

This reminds me of watching the Cheney/Edwards debate years ago. Who won that debate? Edwards. Who came out, through BS, confidence, lying, twisting questions, and all-around looking like the winner? Cheney. Who had the bad week? Edwards. Who had the good week?

I don't remember the debate very much.  I do remember thinking that Cheney made Edwards look like a scared little girl, though.  And, the famous, "I've been a senator for 200 years and this is the first time I've ever met you" comment. 

LOLCHENEY

Cheney is kind of funny sometimes.  There's a lot of material there. 

[Perpetual Change]

So, yeah, you did say that. 

No, I didn't. I never said that "that's all it takes to make me happy with the people running the nation." Please, stop constructing fake people with fake positions to win arguments against when you create threads as full of Fail as this one.

[SnakeEyes]

No, I didn't. I never said that "that's all it takes to make me happy with the people running the nation." Please, stop constructing fake people with fake positions to win arguments against when you create threads as full of Fail as this one.

Okay, let me rephrase:  you are happy with Obama (or, any person running this country) BS'ing as long as - in your own words - they, "look good" doing it. 

[Perpetual Change]

Try again.