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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1365 on: September 15, 2010, 10:18:28 PM »
also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit

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Bleh, this kind of false dichotomy between focusing on playing well and having a big kit is ridiculous.

Whoever they get is gonna be a big kit drummer. The previous material simply requires it to be reproduced.

And, I mean, dude, Gavin Harrison is a big kit drummer. Would anyone say that holds him back from focusing on groove?
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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1366 on: September 15, 2010, 10:24:45 PM »
As a drummer, I also agree with the whole "Big kits are less creative, and small kits are more tasteful" thing. They should be as big or small as the drummer needs. It's like saying 6 string guitarists are more creative than 8 string simply because of the number of strings.
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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1367 on: September 15, 2010, 11:29:58 PM »
It's weird that there haven't been any more updates from the band yet.

I'm assuming they are trying to figure and sort their lives out before they say something that they might have to contradict again in the future.

This. Frankly, I think the next thing we're going to hear from the band is the announcement of the new drummer.
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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1368 on: September 15, 2010, 11:44:22 PM »
It's weird that there haven't been any more updates from the band yet.

I'm assuming they are trying to figure and sort their lives out before they say something that they might have to contradict again in the future.

This. Frankly, I think the next thing we're going to hear from the band is the announcement of the new drummer.

This... and I don't expect any related announcement until at LEAST Christmas. These guys have projects to write/record/release/promote between now and going back into the studio in January, so they'll be busy. Choosing a drummer right now may only be in the "Suggestion Box" phase, but actual auditions may not happen until they're ready to go into the studio.

Why do auditions and leave them hanging for 4 months, whether or not they make a choice? Also, I think whoever they chose may influence the direction of the writing, so if they still want to write/record simultaneously as they have done for the majority of their last few albums, they'll probably wait, which is why I don't think they'll audition, let alone choose a drummer until December or January.

It would be silly to audition now and pick someone and be like "Hang tight, we'll see you in 4 months". They have no deadlines for the band right now, so they can relax on that subject. JLB has Static Impulse coming out, and IIRC he said he wanted to do some shows to promote it; JP is working on his second solo album; JMX is/was working on the third Jelly Jam; JR is toying around with instruments/improvising/writing an orchestra piece. They're busy, just not touring (like MP is), so I don't think they'll take the time to reconvene to pick anyone so soon.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1369 on: September 16, 2010, 06:23:38 AM »
As a drummer, I also agree with the whole "Big kits are less creative, and small kits are more tasteful" thing. They should be as big or small as the drummer needs. It's like saying 6 string guitarists are more creative than 8 string simply because of the number of strings.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1370 on: September 16, 2010, 07:42:49 AM »
Back to my question then.  Under what circumstances do you need three bass drums?

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1371 on: September 16, 2010, 07:55:25 AM »
Back to my question then.  Under what circumstances do you need three bass drums?

When you basically need two different kits on stage at the same time....

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1372 on: September 16, 2010, 08:09:17 AM »
Neil Peart's kit is fucking huge, and he manages to be extremely creative with it.

I don't care how big the drum kit is, as long as he makes good music with it

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1373 on: September 16, 2010, 08:34:02 AM »
Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?

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« Reply #1374 on: September 16, 2010, 08:36:34 AM »
Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?
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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1375 on: September 16, 2010, 09:17:09 AM »
As I have been living under a rock on Mars for the last few weeks, I've only heard this news today. I'm still in shock. Like so many others on here, I read the announcement in disbelief.

I'm trying to remain optimistic. I'm looking forward to the next DT album, as it will be interesting to see what direction their music goes in without Mike, but goddamn, it won't be the same band. Mike gave DT 200% more than any other band-member has given any other band. The set-lists, the Ytsejam boots, etc etc. I feel so sorry for whoever the next drummer is - he has some mighty big shoes to fill.

Also, knowing Mike, he won't be away too long. I can see him putting together his own band in a few years time.

I wonder how much of this is down to the poor ticket sales on the last tour. I said at the time that it was a mistake to tour the ProgNation tour first - too many people stayed away and waited for a full BC&SL tour that never came. I can fully see that the rest of DT would want to get back on the road with a new album/tour as quickly as possible.

Part of me wonders whether this is a temporary thing - DT are planing to  do one album and tour without MP before reuniting with him after the break Mike clearly wants and needs.
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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1376 on: September 16, 2010, 09:19:36 AM »
Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?

Yes, but I get that some fans want to think that their musical heroes would never not tell us everything, even though some things are obviously better left unsaid, at least for now.

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« Reply #1377 on: September 16, 2010, 09:33:56 AM »
Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?

No, actually I don't think there's a huge underlying factor. Mike makes the impression of an open book to me. Of course he didn't say totally everything but I think that if there were something really huge, he'd not manage to not mention it.

I think the most major unsaid factor can be that Mike simply acts and talks a bit egocentric, which the band is discreetly silent of.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1378 on: September 16, 2010, 10:49:24 AM »
Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it. Members leave bands all the time with no controversy, why should this be any different?

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1379 on: September 16, 2010, 10:56:46 AM »
exactly. I'm amazed how much people are starting rumors or their minds are thinkin up all kinds of crazy idea's when it was plainly said he wanted a break. Don't read to much into it because theirs nothing else.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1380 on: September 16, 2010, 11:21:07 AM »
Neil Peart's kit is fucking huge, and he manages to be extremely creative with it.

I don't care how big the drum kit is, as long as he makes good music with it

Obviously there is not a "everybody with a big kit sucks" relation as there are clearly quite a few great drummers with big kits. But, big kits invite themselves to boring fills and sound overkill ("now splash #2, now China #5!"). Overall I find that drummers with smaller kits have their priorities more often in order.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1381 on: September 16, 2010, 11:27:21 AM »
also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit

opposite for me. I would love to see a drummer with less material around him, who instead focuses more on the rhythms themselves than on the drum sound.
I always have to think of Paul Geary, Extreme's first drummer, who had a bass drum, a snare, hihat and a crash. And he left nothing to be desired.

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That is basically what everyother lame drummer plays these days. In the words of Neil Peart "often less is not more less is just less"
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« Reply #1382 on: September 16, 2010, 11:36:17 AM »
I don't believe Mike, or Neil (or many big kit drummers for that matter) have ever played a big kit to just be like "Hey, look at how big my kit is". Many of them have evolved their drum kit over the years, to help them express and play certain things with more sounds. MP's kit started with just 6 toms, a snare and two basses, but then it GREW. It's not like he started with the Siamese monster. Neil's classic Slingerland was just two floor toms, 3 rack toms, 2 basses and a snare during Fly By Night, but later added the concert toms to allow for more creatively expressive fills. Besides, as a drummer, I get chills when I heard the full 8-tom run fills that Neil did back in the day.

I think if you have a big kit, you gotta prove you can use everything, and effectively, to the point of each piece being meaningful, and not just being a show-piece. John Bonham only had 3 toms, a snare, and a bass drums but he made it SOUND huge, and I think he's one famous drummer who effectively used what he had. Sure he could've played with as many toms as Keith Moon did but that wasn't his style. It also all comes down to style. Progressive rock/metal are often known for drummer with big kits, and as such, some drummers LEARN that style, and grow up playing big kits (like myself). But there is no reason these drummers have to be labelled any way that a stereo-type of "big kit drummers" might be. If they can play well, I think kit size shouldn't matter. If they want to prove something, they'll play a smaller kit sometimes. Really, to me, the best drummers are the ones who can sit behind any size kit and just PLAY, and play well. Adaption from kit to kit really shows what a drummer can do outside of their comfort zone. I enjoy playing a 4-piece every now and then, it's challenging and allows me to focus of the dynamics and range of what's there, rather than relying on the multiple things to express certain dynamics and range (be they drums or cymbals).

For example, I loved that Neil recorded "Malignant Narcissism" on a small kit, and that in no way hindered his playing on that song. I think it's a close-minded mentality when people thing "small kits = no creativity". Sometimes it's just the opposite. But again the kit size may depend on the genre or style you're trying to employ, and as I said, bands like DT often have the sound of big kits.

And whoever they decide to get to replace MP will probably have a relatively big kit (i.e. bigger than a 5-piece). They also have to learn how to cover the band's older songs too, which have the signature big kit sound that MP had... but that really depends on who they get. I wouldn't mind hearing old DT songs on a 6 or 7 piece kit, like NDV or Gavin Harrison use. I will miss the octabans though.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1383 on: September 16, 2010, 11:38:11 AM »
also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit

opposite for me. I would love to see a drummer with less material around him, who instead focuses more on the rhythms themselves than on the drum sound.
I always have to think of Paul Geary, Extreme's first drummer, who had a bass drum, a snare, hihat and a crash. And he left nothing to be desired.

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Bleh, this kind of false dichotomy between focusing on playing well and having a big kit is ridiculous.

Whoever they get is gonna be a big kit drummer. The previous material simply requires it to be reproduced.

And, I mean, dude, Gavin Harrison is a big kit drummer. Would anyone say that holds him back from focusing on groove?

Great point, Gavin is amazing and a grooving mf'er. I always wish drummers like Brann Dailor would play a larger kit so we can really see some creativity.
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« Reply #1384 on: September 16, 2010, 11:57:32 AM »
Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it. 

Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it.  I am sorry, but I just don't buy that. 

Portnoy saying his personal relationships weren't as good with the DT members is a major implication that something was wrong besides him just being tired of DT.  Odds are, the truth will come out in time.

Members leave bands all the time with no controversy, why should this be any different?

Are you really asking that?  Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater is a pretty big deal, relatively speaking, in regards to the band and its dynamic.  That doesn't just happen without any controversy, like some random bass player leaving his band because he wanted to spend more time with his family.  I know you know better than that.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1385 on: September 16, 2010, 12:06:53 PM »
If Mike really was a total open book, wouldn't everyone have known about his thoughts about leaving/taking a break a year ago?

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« Reply #1386 on: September 16, 2010, 12:11:59 PM »
If Mike really was a total open book, wouldn't everyone have known about his thoughts about leaving/taking a break a year ago?
Mike never wanted to leave and it was a known fact that DT (read MP) wanted to take a break.

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« Reply #1387 on: September 16, 2010, 12:23:04 PM »

Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it.  I am sorry, but I just don't buy that. 


I agree their might be more, but if they don't want to say anything then good for them, I don't care at all. Theirs reasons why they might not want to say anything. Just saying MP was leaving caused so much to happen and with the internet how it is today, one thing can cause a massive storm to brew and then all hell breaks loose.
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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1388 on: September 16, 2010, 01:33:39 PM »
Neil Peart's kit is fucking huge, and he manages to be extremely creative with it.

I don't care how big the drum kit is, as long as he makes good music with it

Obviously there is not a "everybody with a big kit sucks" relation as there are clearly quite a few great drummers with big kits. But, big kits invite themselves to boring fills and sound overkill ("now splash #2, now China #5!"). Overall I find that drummers with smaller kits have their priorities more often in order.

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1389 on: September 16, 2010, 01:43:57 PM »
I will sum my thoughts up very quickly.

You can do everything on a big kit that you can do on a small kit, and more.
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« Reply #1390 on: September 16, 2010, 02:14:08 PM »
and more.
Not trying to be rude... but no you can't...

(That wasn't sounding rude, I'm just disagreeing)

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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1391 on: September 16, 2010, 02:15:14 PM »
and more.
Not trying to be rude... but no you can't...

(That wasn't sounding rude, I'm just disagreeing)

I have no idea what this post is. It's neither funny nor logically correct.
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« Reply #1392 on: September 16, 2010, 02:16:31 PM »
What do you mean? I wasn't trying to be funny at all.

How can you do more on a small kit?

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« Reply #1393 on: September 16, 2010, 02:22:41 PM »
read his post again

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« Reply #1394 on: September 16, 2010, 02:23:25 PM »
and more.
Not trying to be rude... but no you can't...

(That wasn't sounding rude, I'm just disagreeing)

I don't think you read his post the right way.

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« Reply #1395 on: September 16, 2010, 02:24:27 PM »
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Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
« Reply #1396 on: September 16, 2010, 03:46:56 PM »
It's still surreal that he left. I found out last week and my jaw dropped.

Still, even more excited to see what DT can produce.

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« Reply #1397 on: September 16, 2010, 04:44:14 PM »
Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it. 

Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it.  I am sorry, but I just don't buy that. 

Yup.  I would think this is pretty obvious.  It's painfully naive to think that you've been given the whole story, just as it's overly cynical to make it into a giant conspiracy.

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« Reply #1398 on: September 16, 2010, 04:51:58 PM »
Maybe MP will form a semi-permanent band with his buddies Paul Gilbert, Billy Sheehan, and Gary Cherone.
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« Reply #1399 on: September 16, 2010, 04:55:47 PM »
Maybe MP will form a semi-permanent band with his buddies Paul Gilbert, Billy Sheehan, and Gary Cherone.

What I'm hoping he'll do is reunite Yellow Matter Custard for another show with an entirely different set. On the commentary for the One Night In New York DVD, he mentions they had a set of over 60 songs or so, and wittled it down to half that for the final set list and said they could've done a second show with an entirely different set list!

I'm hoping he revisits that idea and presents 25-30 more Beatles covers, entirely different from the ones he did back then.

Also, any band (cover or otherwise) he does with Paul Gilbert would be amazing. Perhaps he could cover a different band (one that isn't The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Rush, or The Who), or do the supposed 5th cover album he wanted to do with Dream Theater. Whatever he does, Paul could cover ANYTHING Mike would have his heart set on.

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