Author Topic: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (Read 508046 times)

Quadrochosis · « **Reply #1085 on:** May 05, 2011, 12:16:56 PM »

Quote from: tick on May 05, 2011, 05:51:46 AM

Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.
I love Vapor Trails! Its light years better then Snakes And Arrows, imo.

No, VT is easily the weakest Rush album.

That being said, I'm perfectly OK with a band releasing ONE bad album considering the fact that they have like 17.

Also, they were going through a ton of shit around that time, hadn't played together in like five years, etc. Perfectly understandable why VT came out the way it did.

Mladen · « **Reply #1086 on:** May 05, 2011, 12:19:46 PM »

Vapor trails is one of my favorites, so many great songs. We're still waiting for the remastered version so that we can enjoy the songs even more, though.

Nick · « **Reply #1087 on:** May 05, 2011, 12:20:10 PM »

The sub-par song-writing on Vapor Trails is certainly forgivable given the circumstances, but there is NO excuse for how that album sounds. For the time and money a band like Rush put into that album it is absolutely mind-blowing that at the end of it all an album could come out that sounds that bad. There are very few instances were I will come straight out and unequivocally blame Rush for something but it's there record and the way Vapor Trails sounds is one of the worst mistakes in their entire career.

ZBomber · « **Reply #1088 on:** May 05, 2011, 12:21:58 PM »

Quote from: Nick on May 05, 2011, 12:20:10 PM

The sub-par song-writing on Vapor Trails is certainly forgivable given the circumstances, but there is NO excuse for how that album sounds. For the time and money a band like Rush put into that album it is absolutely mind-blowing that at the end of it all an album could come out that sounds that bad. There are very few instances were I will come straight out and unequivocally blame Rush for something but it's there record and the way Vapor Trails sounds is one of the worst mistakes in their entire career.

I agree completely with this. I can't enjoy the album at all because of how bad it is.

Nick · « **Reply #1089 on:** May 05, 2011, 12:23:25 PM »

And before anyone comes out and says "I don't see what's so bad about Vapor Trails", listen to what I made below and tell me what sticks out to you...

www.wpapu.com/sounds/rushgasm.mp3

skydivingninja · « **Reply #1090 on:** May 05, 2011, 01:21:34 PM »

You know, I knew Vapor Trails was bad, and a major casualty in the loudness war, but I just never realized how bad until you juxtapose it with any other Rush album like you did in that clip, even the modern-day ones.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1091 on:** May 05, 2011, 01:28:53 PM »

Sound yes. No solo's, yes, but I still love the rawness and the emotion of VT and wished it was recorded differently. I think we all know how the band feels about it too.

Orbert · « **Reply #1092 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:23:27 PM »

I kinda like the songs on Vapor Trails, too. High energy, different direction. I don't care if there aren't guitar solos. But the sound is absolutely crap.

ZBomber · « **Reply #1093 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:27:23 PM »

Got my MP blu-ray. Is the CD a new mix, and if so, how different is it from the last remaster?

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1094 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:35:57 PM »

Quote from: ZBomber on May 05, 2011, 02:27:23 PM

Got my MP blu-ray. Is the CD a new mix, and if so, how different is it from the last remaster?

It is digitally remastered but I haven't A/B it yet.

Mladen · « **Reply #1095 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:39:59 PM »

Quote from: Nick on May 05, 2011, 12:23:25 PM

And before anyone comes out and says "I don't see what's so bad about Vapor Trails", listen to what I made below and tell me what sticks out to you...

www.wpapu.com/sounds/rushgasm.mp3

Oh my God, I literally shuddered when I heard One little victory in there. We actually have the remixed version of that particular song, why didn't you put that in?

Still an incredible riff that kicks some serious ass, though.

EDIT: Actually, what the clip did for me was make me realize how much I love Rush and why.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1096 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:46:44 PM »

Check this out boys and girls.

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/05/2608/Excerpts-from-Classic-Rocks-Prog-magazine-Rush-feature

Lowdz · « **Reply #1097 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:52:28 PM »

Quote from: Nick on May 03, 2011, 12:15:03 PM

I'd take Roll the Bones over Counterparts by a hair.

Like Counterparts but love RTB.

Orbert · « **Reply #1098 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:52:51 PM »

Ha ha, I love that cover!

contest_sanity · « **Reply #1099 on:** May 05, 2011, 03:10:33 PM »

... "We're going in a conceptual direction on this record, for sure," says Lee. "We started with a 10-minute song idea that then turned into a concept and it's feeding off itself. It's like that question that Steven Colbert asked us in the movie. Are your songs so long that by the end you're influencing yourself? I think we're doing that now. We're like a feedback loop, influencing ourselves now. We're spending so much time on this concept. It's been fun, because we haven't gone down that road in a while. Let's see if we can pull it off!" ... "It's not just the fans! We're hoping for another great Rush album ourselves!" ...

We So Excited!!!

SystematicThought · « **Reply #1100 on:** May 05, 2011, 04:04:22 PM »

Can I just say that the snare on Snakes and Arrows is absolutely fantastic

jsem · « **Reply #1101 on:** May 05, 2011, 04:06:12 PM »

I have high hopes for this record. Going to be epic.

ALSO CONCERT IN LESS THAN 24 HRS

Tick · « **Reply #1102 on:** May 05, 2011, 07:27:08 PM »

Quote from: Quadrochosis on May 05, 2011, 12:16:56 PM

Quote from: tick on May 05, 2011, 05:51:46 AM
Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.
I love Vapor Trails! Its light years better then Snakes And Arrows, imo.

No, VT is easily the weakest Rush album.

That being said, I'm perfectly OK with a band releasing ONE bad album considering the fact that they have like 17.

Also, they were going through a ton of shit around that time, hadn't played together in like five years, etc. Perfectly understandable why VT came out the way it did.

To each his own. I love Vapor Trails while I don't care for Snakes And Arrows.
But then again, I am in the minority who thinks SC is better the BCSL.

KevShmev · « **Reply #1103 on:** May 05, 2011, 11:00:10 PM »

VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess. The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it. So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.

Nick · « **Reply #1104 on:** May 05, 2011, 11:03:50 PM »

The problem with the version of Earthshine you're talking about is that the problem with the album wasn't one with the mix/mastering, it was mainly with the recording. In order to make it sound better in the remix/master they basically had to take away the energy of the song. If they completely redid the song right it could have the best of both worlds.

ZBomber · « **Reply #1105 on:** May 05, 2011, 11:05:43 PM »

Quote from: KevShmev on May 05, 2011, 11:00:10 PM

VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess. The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it. So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.

I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.

There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.

Tick · « **Reply #1106 on:** May 06, 2011, 05:52:20 AM »

There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.

Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless" "Bravest Face" "Good News First" "The Larger Bowl" "We Hold On" "Working Them Angels"

I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.

jsem · « **Reply #1107 on:** May 06, 2011, 05:59:01 AM »

Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.

Zydar · « **Reply #1108 on:** May 06, 2011, 05:59:54 AM »

Quote from: jsem on May 06, 2011, 05:59:01 AM

Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.

Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!

jsem · « **Reply #1109 on:** May 06, 2011, 06:00:31 AM »

Quote from: Zydar on May 06, 2011, 05:59:54 AM

Quote from: jsem on May 06, 2011, 05:59:01 AM
Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.

Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!

You should've bought tickets man $:-\$

Zydar · « **Reply #1110 on:** May 06, 2011, 06:06:59 AM »

Quote from: jsem on May 06, 2011, 06:00:31 AM

Quote from: Zydar on May 06, 2011, 05:59:54 AM
Quote from: jsem on May 06, 2011, 05:59:01 AM
Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.

Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!
You should've bought tickets man $:-\$

Yeah I know, couldn't afford it at the time $:-\$

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1111 on:** May 06, 2011, 06:07:15 AM »

Report back jsem on everything!!

PlaysLikeMyung · « **Reply #1112 on:** May 06, 2011, 08:49:17 AM »

Quote from: tick on May 06, 2011, 05:52:20 AM

There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.

Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless" "Bravest Face" "Good News First" "The Larger Bowl" "We Hold On" "Working Them Angels"

I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.

But... you're wrong

Tick · « **Reply #1113 on:** May 06, 2011, 08:56:07 AM »

Quote from: PlaysLikeMyung on May 06, 2011, 08:49:17 AM

Quote from: tick on May 06, 2011, 05:52:20 AM
There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.

Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless" "Bravest Face" "Good News First" "The Larger Bowl" "We Hold On" "Working Them Angels"

I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.

But... you're wrong

You fixed my wagon.

KevShmev · « **Reply #1114 on:** May 06, 2011, 08:59:50 AM »

Quote from: ZBomber on May 05, 2011, 11:05:43 PM

Quote from: KevShmev on May 05, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess. The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it. So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.

I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.

There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.

Good thing I didn't specifically say that "clipping gives a song punch" then, eh?

ZBomber · « **Reply #1115 on:** May 06, 2011, 09:04:27 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on May 06, 2011, 08:59:50 AM

Quote from: ZBomber on May 05, 2011, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 05, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess. The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it. So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.

I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.

There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.

Good thing I didn't specifically say that "clipping gives a song punch" then, eh?

I know, and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was putting words in your mouth, but I've seen this argument a few times before, and even posted here (I think in the PT thread). I just don't understand it at all.

KevShmev · « **Reply #1116 on:** May 06, 2011, 09:08:28 AM »

No, it's all good.

I can see why my post might have implied that I thought that, but, no, I just mean that some of the songs benefit by having that loud edginess to it. For example, I like the production and sound of S&A, but a song like "Freeze" would lose a lot of its punch with that kind of production. Sure, it would still rock, but it would lose some of that extra oomph that the VT sound gives it, which is why I except it as is, warts and all. The more average songs aren't as listenable, so therefore the clipping and loudness stands out more, and definitely in a negative way. I mean, I have no idea what they were trying to do with the verses of "The Stars Look Down."

Kosmo · « **Reply #1117 on:** May 06, 2011, 10:20:18 AM »

So the show in Finland was pretty cool. They played Moving Pictures all the way through and newer stuff too. And some other shit. But Moving Pictures is the best. Yes.

jsem · « **Reply #1118 on:** May 06, 2011, 04:23:11 PM »

WOAH! Epic show.

Highlights, apart from Moving Picture in its entirety, was Temple of Syrinx part of 2112... and the encore including La Villa Strangiato.

Seriously. I couldn't believe it when I heard the 2112 space sounds. I mangini'd instantly.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #1119 on:** May 06, 2011, 04:25:01 PM »

Even after seeing them twice on this tour, I still have this burning desire to see them yet again. They're amazing performers.

News: Track-by-track video for Untethered Angel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Co1_h0GtAw

Author Topic: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (Read 508046 times)

Kosmo