Author Topic: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (Read 508000 times)

dbrooks22 · « **Reply #1540 on:** September 25, 2011, 07:18:26 AM »

Neil's brain operates on a frequency above the rest of us mortals...

There is tic and toc in atomic
Leaders make a deal
The cosmic is largely comic
A con they couldn't conceal

There is no safe seat at the feast
Take your best stab at the beast
The night is turning thin
The saint is turning to sin

Raise the art to resistance
Danger dare to be grand
Pride reduced to humble pie
Diamonds down to sand

Take heart from earth and weather
The brightness of new birth
Take heart from the harvest
Shave the harvest from the earth

Reasoning is partly insane
Image just an eyeless game
The night is turning thin
The saint is turning to sin

KevShmev · « **Reply #1541 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:32:13 AM »

"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1542 on:** September 25, 2011, 09:23:53 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on September 25, 2011, 08:32:13 AM

"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

Man I would love to see that live.

The King in Crimson · « **Reply #1543 on:** September 25, 2011, 09:27:36 AM »

Quote from: PlaysLikeMyung on September 25, 2011, 06:12:10 AM

"I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
A wound that will not heal
A heart that cannot feel
Hoping that the horror will recede
Hoping that tomorrow, we'll all be free"

DT isn't known for their stellar lyrics though lol

God, I love that song.

ZBomber · « **Reply #1544 on:** September 25, 2011, 10:06:59 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on September 25, 2011, 08:32:13 AM

"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

That song, along with The Pass, have my favorite Rush lyrics. So brilliant/beautiful.

carl320 · « **Reply #1545 on:** September 25, 2011, 02:43:39 PM »

I'm slowly adding to my Rush collection. Bought Fly by Night today, so now I have everything (studio albums at least) from FBN to Hold your Fire.

Quote from: KevShmev on September 25, 2011, 08:32:13 AM

"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

Such a great song.

contest_sanity · « **Reply #1546 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:39:01 PM »

"If the future's looking dark
We're the ones who have to shine
If there's no one in control
We're the ones who draw the line
Though we live in trying times
We're the ones who have to try
Though we know that time has wings
We're the ones who have to fly..."

senecadawg2 · « **Reply #1547 on:** September 25, 2011, 07:20:36 PM »

Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

glaurung · « **Reply #1548 on:** September 25, 2011, 07:35:45 PM »

Permenant Waves
Moving Pictures
Power Windows
Snakes & Arrows
2112

That should cover all the bases as far as the albums goes.

Phoenix87x · « **Reply #1549 on:** September 25, 2011, 07:38:55 PM »

Quote from: senecadawg2 on September 25, 2011, 07:20:36 PM

Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums

1. 2112
2. Hemispheres
3. A farewell to Kings
4. Moving Pictures
5. Power Windows (for a little diversity)

dbrooks22 · « **Reply #1550 on:** September 25, 2011, 07:40:55 PM »

Quote from: senecadawg2 on September 25, 2011, 07:20:36 PM

Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

You're probably going to get a different answer from everyone here. Start with Moving Pictures, and then Permanent Waves. Most people will agree on those. Then, if you like the more "raw" and hard rock side of Rush, move backward in time to 2112. If you like the synthesizers, move forward to Signals. Then you can fill in the rest as your budget allows.

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #1551 on:** September 25, 2011, 07:42:47 PM »

1. Permanent Waves
2. Signals
3. A Farewell To Kings
4. Moving Pictures
5. Grace Under Pressure

I say Rush Peaked from 77-84.

Still, all of the first 13 albums range from good to fan-fucking-tastic!

From 991 onwards, they ranged from very good (Counterparts and Vapor Trails) to mostly crap (Roll The Bones).

jammindude · « **Reply #1552 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:03:10 PM »

1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. A Farewell to Kings/Signals/Test For Echo/Snakes and Arrows

Songs

1. Cygnus X-1 (Part one is on AFTK, part 2 is the title track of Hemispheres...both pieces make one complete song)

...more songs in chronological order...

What You're Doing
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Best I Can
The Necromancer
I Think I'm Going Bald
2112
A Farewell to Kings
Xanadu
Cinderella Man
La Villa Strangiato
Jacob's Ladder
Natural Science
Red Barchetta
Camera Eye
Subdivisions
The Analog Kid
The Weapon
Grand Designs
Manhattan Project
Territories
Middletown Dreams
Prime Mover
Driven
The Color of Right
Time and Motion
Ghost Rider
Armor and Sword
The Larger Bowl
Malignant Narcissism
The Main Monkey Business
Hope
Faithless

dbrooks22 · « **Reply #1553 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:11:40 PM »

I don't know HOW Shaq can recommend Vapor Trails over Roll the Bones. That is ridiculous beyond ridiculous.

and i don't know how jammindude can leave out everything but "Prime Mover" between 87-93, and recommend songs from Test For Echo? The Color of Right - are you serious??

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #1554 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:14:14 PM »

Roll the Bones is tired adult contemporary to me.

Vapor Trails, if not as good as much of early Rush, is still a fun and rocking attempt at Alt-rock, and has some real killers.

dbrooks22 · « **Reply #1555 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:19:12 PM »

OK, i understand that criticism. But Roll the Bones is Rush's bestselling album since Moving Pictures, and the band (and I) considers it their best songwriting in the past 25yrs. We all know the production is lacking, but you cannot, CANNOT call it "mostly crap."

And by the way, i mostly agree about them peaking between 77 and 84.

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #1556 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:21:10 PM »

Aside from the first 2 songs and the instrumental, it does nothing for me. Nothing.

And really, just because something is high selling, that doesn't make it excellent.

I mean, really, think of some of the weak-ass acts that managed to push out 2x Platinum albums around 90-92.

dbrooks22 · « **Reply #1557 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:24:07 PM »

I think Roll the Bones is Rush's second best album behind Moving Pictures. People have a hard time because it sounds nothing like the Rush they love. OK - i get it. But my points stand.

Pols Voice · « **Reply #1558 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:26:38 PM »

I like Roll the Bones waaaay more than Vapor Trails. Of course VT's production is a mess, but even if that's improved, the album is just bloated and a chore to listen to all at once.

The King in Crimson · « **Reply #1559 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:27:08 PM »

1. Moving Pictures
2. Grace Under Pressure
3. Permanent Waves
4. A Farewell To Kings
5. Counterparts

My Top 15 Songs (In No Particular Order):
1. Subdivisions
2. Red Barchetta
3. Natural Science
4. 2112
5. Red Sector A
6. La Villa Strangiatto
7. Anthem
8. Bastille Day
9. By-Tor and the Snow Dog
10. Armor and Sword
11. Freewill
12. Jacob's Ladder
13. Kid Gloves
14. Limelight
15. Xanadu

contest_sanity · « **Reply #1560 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:29:58 PM »

Quote from: MasterShakezula on September 25, 2011, 08:21:10 PM

Aside from the first 2 songs and the instrumental, it does nothing for me. Nothing.

"Ghost Of a Chance" does nothing for you?

You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity...

skydivingninja · « **Reply #1561 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:33:01 PM »

Quote from: senecadawg2 on September 25, 2011, 07:20:36 PM

Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

Moving Pictures
A Farewell to Kings
Power Windows
Permanent Waves
Counterparts

My Top 15 songs (in no order)
Natural Science
Limelight
2112
Red Barchetta
Freewill
Marathon
Subdivisions
Xanadu
A Farewell to Kings
Vital Signs
Leave That Thing Alone
Bravado
Bastille Day
Tom Sawyer
YYZ

Just listen to all the albums.

Quote from: MasterShakezula on September 25, 2011, 08:14:14 PM

Roll the Bones is tired adult contemporary to me.

Vapor Trails, if not as good as much of early Rush, is still a fun and rocking attempt at Alt-rock, and has some real killers.

No, and maybe.

Pols Voice · « **Reply #1562 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:37:53 PM »

I'll just list my favorite song from each album.

Working Man (I haven't heard the rest of the album, but I don't care to)
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Bastille Day
2112
A Farewell to Kings
La Villa Strangiato
Natural Science
Tom Sawyer
The Analog Kid
Distant Early Warning
Marathon
Prime Mover
Chain Lightning
Dreamline
Cut to the Chase
Driven
Vapor Trail
The Main Monkey Business

jammindude · « **Reply #1563 on:** September 25, 2011, 09:05:43 PM »

Wow....really have to disagree with the defense of Roll the Bones. I really enjoyed Presto...but Roll the Bones was TERRIBLE. I'll do you one better. I actually LOVE the first three songs, Ghost of a Chance and Where's my Thing. The other 5 songs make up my top five WORST Rush songs in their catalog. Yes I'm serious, no I'm not kidding. Yes...they are all far worse than Rivendell, Dog Years, Virtuality or whatever other commonly hated Rush song you can come up with. It's that bad.

IMO of course....

As a matter of fact...I can't think of any other Rush songs that I *actively* dislike except those five.

skydivingninja · « **Reply #1564 on:** September 25, 2011, 09:13:50 PM »

Quote from: Pols Voice on September 25, 2011, 08:37:53 PM

I'll just list my favorite song from each album.

Working Man (I haven't heard the rest of the album, but I don't care to)

Fix that. Its quite good.

KevShmev · « **Reply #1565 on:** September 25, 2011, 11:09:07 PM »

Roll the Bones is a very good record. I have always liked it more than most seem to. The well-known songs are all great, and I dig gems like Heresy (one of their most underrated tunes ever) and The Big Wheel. Plus, when you listen to the record from start to finish, even the average songs like Face Up and You Bet Your Life sound pretty good. It is a great listen from start to finish, bottom line.

TempusVox · « **Reply #1566 on:** September 26, 2011, 12:26:21 AM »

As for great lyric...

They say there are strangers who threaten us
Our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness too dangerous
In our theaters and bookstore shelves

Those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge, quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand

WildeSilas · « **Reply #1567 on:** September 26, 2011, 12:32:16 AM »

Farewell to Kings
Moving Pictures
Counterparts
Signals
Presto

Actually, what I'd REALLY recommend is getting Rush Chronicles or a few Retrospective discs and check out the various Rush "eras" - there are essentially four of them and they are quite different at first listen. In other words, don't listen to 2112 and assume you won't like other stuff because Test for Echo or Hold Your Fire (for example) are much more accessible in some ways. Your affinity for keyboards vs. guitar has a lot to do with how you should first approach Rush as well. If I'd heard Signals or Power Windows first, I would have never listened to anything else by them. Luckily as a metalhead, I discovered Counterparts first and was able to work my way backwards toward the more proggy and keyboard heavy stuff and appreciate their development as I went.

The Letter M · « **Reply #1568 on:** September 26, 2011, 12:47:17 AM »

Quote from: senecadawg2 on September 25, 2011, 07:20:36 PM

Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

I'll go a different route and give you what I feel is the best album from each of the band's five "periods" (of 4 album-groups)
Pre-Prog: 2112
Prog-Era: Hemispheres
Synth-Era: Power Windows
Post-Synth: Counterparts
Modern: Snakes & Arrows (granted only 2 albums count for this, but S&A slightly edges VT, but I feel CA will slay both)

I say sample each era of Rush and work your way around it, or complete whichever era you like the most.

-Marc.

Zydar · « **Reply #1569 on:** September 26, 2011, 03:29:25 AM »

My Top 5 after one year of being a Rush fan:

Moving Pictures
A Farewell To Kings
2112
Permanent Waves
Power Windows

dbrooks22 · « **Reply #1570 on:** September 26, 2011, 07:56:54 AM »

Quote from: WildeSilas on September 26, 2011, 12:32:16 AM

Farewell to Kings
Moving Pictures
Counterparts
Signals
Presto

Actually, what I'd REALLY recommend is getting Rush Chronicles or a few Retrospective discs and check out the various Rush "eras" - there are essentially four of them and they are quite different at first listen. In other words, don't listen to 2112 and assume you won't like other stuff because Test for Echo or Hold Your Fire (for example) are much more accessible in some ways. Your affinity for keyboards vs. guitar has a lot to do with how you should first approach Rush as well. If I'd heard Signals or Power Windows first, I would have never listened to anything else by them. Luckily as a metalhead, I discovered Counterparts first and was able to work my way backwards toward the more proggy and keyboard heavy stuff and appreciate their development as I went.

Wilde - your posts are always great. PRESTO

Orbert · « **Reply #1571 on:** September 26, 2011, 10:29:51 AM »

Ditto. Something that comes up often, but probably cannot be repeated enough, is that Rush has always been truly progressive in the sense that their music has constantly evolved over time. They keep trying new things, their sound keeps changing, their very approach to songwriting and recording has even had a few experiments along the way.

Therefore there is no single Rush album to start with, and the idea that someone would ask for five albums to check out is encouraging. It definitely makes sense to sample each of the different eras, multiple times if necessary. (In other words, if you can't find something by Rush that you like, you're not trying hard enough!)

carl320 · « **Reply #1572 on:** September 26, 2011, 11:02:25 AM »

I have to agree with the Retrospective/Chronicles route in discovering Rush. I first bought the two Retrospectives (before the third one was released) and found I really dug the 80s sound. So I started with Moving Pictures and Signals. Since then the bands earlier output has grown on me, even though I'm still partial to the 80s sound.

senecadawg2 · « **Reply #1573 on:** September 26, 2011, 08:33:36 PM »

Well. Thanks for all the advice. I'm currently listening to A Farewell to Kings and Hold your fire. I really like Force Ten, although that doesn't seem to be too popular as none of you listed that particular song.

Orbert · « **Reply #1574 on:** September 26, 2011, 09:23:37 PM »

I like Force Ten. There's just so many albums, and so many great songs.

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Author Topic: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (Read 508000 times)