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Started by ariich, August 23, 2010, 05:41:11 AM

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Adami

Quote from: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 05:16:26 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.

Well I'd put it a little below Gone, but it's still damn good.

1. Gone
2. Mortar Grind
3. If You Wait
4. Hair
5. Cover song
6. Linoleum
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ClairvoyantCat

Quote from: Adami on July 21, 2011, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 05:16:26 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.

Well I'd put it a little below Gone, but it's still damn good.

1. Gone
2. Mortar Grind
3. If You Wait
4. Hair
5. Cover song
6. Linoleum

Switch 2 and 3 and that's basically my ranking as well.

TheVoxyn

Linoleum (song) is awesome and you guys suck.

Adami

Quote from: TheVoxyn on July 21, 2011, 05:45:41 PM
Linoleum (song) is awesome and you guys suck.

I can't stand the drums on the verse's but yea, it's a cool song. I have just heard it too many times.
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wolfking

I'm listening to the EP right now.  :metal

ClairvoyantCat

I've got a certain gripe with Mortar Grind (and it's not one I often have with Pain of Salvation) and that is the lyrics.  I think I understand what they were trying to do with the "Emily is sad" thing but it just doesn't work.  Also, the verse is a bit of a bore to me in general.  Definitely one of my lesser favorites of theirs, but I'd be interested in seeing how it turns out after getting a remix job in RS2.  (Assuming it did, of course)

abydos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYvdUSxwv6Q
These guys will be supporting PoS in the show I am not going to go to in a few months.

NecessaryPain

Got tickets for the Manchester gig w/ Opeth.

Gonna be fucking brutal.

Zantera

Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

Ranking the albums I know:

1. Entropia
2. Remedy Lane
3. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
4. Road Salt (not bad quality-wise, but it's a bit less interesting overall, though I still really enjoy it)

Will probably get my copy of 12:5 this week, then order TPE. ;)

CrimsonSunrise

Quote from: Zantera on July 25, 2011, 05:07:07 AM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

Ranking the albums I know:

1. Entropia
2. Remedy Lane
3. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
4. Road Salt (not bad quality-wise, but it's a bit less interesting overall, though I still really enjoy it)

Will probably get my copy of 12:5 this week, then order TPE. ;)

Bro..... do The Perfect Element mucho rapido!!!!!!! :lol  You're missing the best.

Zantera

I'm gonna order it after I get 12:5. :) Then get BE and Scarsick as well.

AwakeFromOctavarium

Quote from: Zantera on July 25, 2011, 05:07:07 AM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

YES. Entropia used to be my favorite PoS album until TPE struck me like a meteor, but still it remains such a memorable and impressive album to me.

wolfking

https://www.radiometal.com/en/article/pain-of-salvation-road-salt-two-is-almost-there,37093

Radio Metal: Don't worry, it's not going to be like a boring interview of twenty minutes... It's for fun

Daniel Gildenlöw: You might think that! Until I start answering! (Laughs)

(Laughs) Ok, so, how are you doing?

I'm fine. We've done the gig, so that's nice.

How was it?

It was OK. Good crowd, lots of people.

I was a little surprised, because this is a metal festival, and yet a lot of people seemed to react to Pain Of Salvation's music. That's cool, because bands like Anathema or Pain Of Salvation might not get the same response as other bands in a purely metal festival. This time, it was the contrary, actually.

I think that when people see us live, they can't but notice that there's a groove you have to respond to. I'm just happy it works out. Every time we're playing at Hellfest, we're like: "Should we play the metal material?" But then we stick to what's us, and it usually pays off. That's good.

The two times you played at Hellfest, it was in the afternoon, so it was quite sunny. I think it's good conditions for Pain Of Salvation. Some bands look better when it's dark, but for you, I really enjoy these conditions.

Yeah? I guess we work with different conditions. Of course, as a band, being on stage, it's always nice when it's sort of dark, and you can make a light show that sort of underlines the music. But daytime gigs have another type of fascination that comes with them, I guess.

Some bands might tend to hide behind the light show.

Exactly. I'm leaning towards something brutally honest and naked right now, so it would go along with that. We can't hide behind any cool light shows or whatever; we have to make ourselves and the music talk by themselves.

Have you seen other bands on stage?

I was out and watched a bit of Mr. Big, which was nice. I did the Hammer Of The Gods thing a few years ago, together with Paul Gilbert, so it was nice to see him on stage.

Actually, the two bands, Pain Of Salvation and Mr. Big, can be compared in terms of vocal harmonies. There's a lot of work there, and that's quite rare in metal today.

We've just been... I wouldn't say lucky, because we've been trying really hard to get the right people in the band. But we have at least three people that are above average when it comes to lead singing. Which is pretty nice, because you can do quite a lot of stuff that other bands can't really do. Normally, you have like one singer, and the rest of them are sort of singers. But with Johan and Leo in the band, all of this can go extremely high up and become lead singing, which is pretty nice.

It's also nice because your guitarist can do the lead singing and you can go over the top...

Yeah, I need to jump around sometimes! (laughs) When we do full shows, especially when we play two and a half hours, like we just did in Brazil, for the encore, we can just throw whatever's out there. I was playing drums for some Dio song, and Leo would do the lead vocals; Johan also did vocals for some Beatles songs. It's pretty nice. We can do so many different things, 'cause all of us have sort of a wide foundation to start with. It's a pleasure and an honor, I guess. Good line-up, I like it a lot.

The last song you played today was a bit different than usual...

The thing is, we only had 45 minutes, which is not really a gig for us. It's sort of a warm-up! When we started to do the set-list, we figured that we would not be able to play the whole Perfect Element, because there's the "Falling" intro, where I play a lead solo thing. It starts off pretty soft before it kicks in, and we thought we had to kick in from the start, pretty much. It made for a pretty different experience, we've never done that before. We never even played it, we just talked about it twenty minutes before the show! (Laughs) We were like, "ok, maybe if you just did like 'tick clack uh' and then we start playing." So, even though we talked about it, it still felt really odd doing it, because we have never actually done it. It was a weird situation, I guess.

You have already changed some songs in the past. I'm thinking of "Ashes" in major scale, for example. That was really cool.

The one song that has probably gone through the most transformations through the years would be "Nightmist". I have an old demo recording somewhere, from '93 or '94, where it's really straight through the whole song. And then we've been developing it all the time. Already on our first album in 1997, we had introduced a lot of details. Now it's been going through quite some transformations. We have a reggae part, a power death metal part, and we're ending with a long twelve-bar blues in five/four. It's a constant change, everything is up for grabs through the years.

You should to more live albums, to immortalize these changes!

Live albums always seem like a good idea. Today, people want to re-record so much stuff afterwards, and I'm just so against that. So I never do that. But of course, I always get involved in the mixing process. It always starts off like: "We'll just record the live gig, and release the whole gig or whatever". Then it ends up being lots more work. I prefer to work on new material. I'm sort of anxious and restless to move on.

Speaking of new material, when is Road Salt Two coming out?

End of September. I think it's the 27th of September. But I've heard it already, so it's old news to me! (laughs)

What can we expect?

It's pretty much the same beast as Road Salt One. It's really the same sort of sound. I used to say that it's probably darker than Road Salt One, but I'm not sure anymore, 'cause I'm so subjective. I'm so completely into it, it's hard to tell. We have more seventies, old-rock-style, sort of Zeppelin or Sabbath-sounding songs, but we also have some soft, sensitive material. It's really difficult to say how it's gonna be received by people who've never heard it before. It's more in the same style as the previous album than you can usually expect from Pain Of Salvation, since it's part of the same thing, really.

You seem pretty enthusiastic about the seventies style, first with Road Salt One, and now Road Salt Two. Is it a new Pain Of Salvation? Can we expect that style in the future?

I'll probably get sick of that too and change it to something else! (laughs) I don't know. Right now I'm so fed up with modern production, with clicky-based drums, wall-of-sound guitars and rectifiers and all that crap. I'm sick of it, I can't stand it, I can't listen to it. So I needed to find something that felt more true and honest. I just went back all the time to the sound from the seventies, the grainy, just really honest, live-played material. It still moves me, in a way that music from the eighties and nineties simply doesn't.

Is your bass player a permanent member now?

No! That's the funny thing. It's sort of an almost-full bandmember. He's our first-hand choice when we go out and play. When we played India, we had a guy also called Daniel playing keyboards, because Fredrik was unavailable at that point. So this guy Daniel, who was actually our stage technician for the 2007 tour, managed to play the keyboards. He's a really good keyboard player. But from the start he's a bass player – he's a really good bass player too! So for Brazil that we just did, he came along, but since Fredrik was playing the keyboards, he came along and played the bass, because Per couldn't be there to play the bass! So it's sort of open, but we'll see in the future what happens. It's hard enough to have four people being able to come to the rehearsals and put in the time and effort that's needed. With five people, everything starts to get very complicated. We're not eighteen anymore; we have families, we have lots of other commitments. It's difficult to get things working out.

Have you heard the album your brother put out with The Shadow Theory, his new band?

No. I would love to say yes to that question. It would just seem so much better if I said yes, I guess! (Laughs) No, I haven't, actually. Is it good?

It's excellent. It's with Devon Graves from Psychotic Waltz.

Oh, that's cool. Does it have clicky-based drums?

No, I think not! Actually, it also features the drummer from Threshold.

Johanne? Oh, wait, they had three different ones... We've played with them a few times through the years, but they've had different ones. Is it Johanne, the black guy?

Yes, that's him!

He's a really good drummer. A nice guy too. That's cool.

Sorry, but how is it possible you didn't listen to an album your own brother is playing on?!

I've said it before today, but you'd be surprised about what I haven't listened to or heard actually!

You know this will end up on Blabbermouth and be twisted around, and people will think you hate your brother and there is a problem in the Gildenlöw family?!

(Laughs) OK, so let's me rephrase that: I haven't heard it, but I'm sure it's good! I'm sure Kristoffer does a stand-out job on the bass! (Laughs) I mean, I really like music. But I think I'm just so deep into the creative part of music that, when I have free time, I like silence. Or possibly watching a good TV series or a movie. Or reading books. Or even better, taking a hot bath while reading books! Listening to music, it's just... It's like I need a break from it when I'm not into the whole creative process. I spend so much time getting all the details right, it really makes me go nuts sometimes. So that's pretty much the reason. Actually, I've been on so many different albums outside Pain Of Salvation, and I haven't even listened to most of them afterwards! It's like, when I've done it, I'm happy with having heard that song. I know what I did, I know what they did, and that's fine. I don't need to go back and revisit that. Don't tell anyone, but I still have the Transatlantic stuff, or the Axamenta stuff, still wrapped in plastic at home. It's really, really embarrassing! But luckily, that goes with the Pain Of Salvation stuff, too. Like the last DVD: I spent so much time working on it, looking at the menus, going through all the little details... After it was done and I got the final product, I opened it up, I looked at it, but it's gonna take years for me to be able to put that into my DVD player and actually watch it. I'm done with it for now!

You said we would be surprised about all the things you haven't listened to. But I'm sure you've listened to Lady Gaga!

I've heard that one song that's always on the radio. And that's it! Why, is she playing here? (laughs)

But every metalhead has already listened to Lady Gaga!

Yeah? I didn't know that!

She's a Kiss and Anthrax fan, actually.

Oh yeah? That's cool. The one song I've heard, although it's extremely commercial at one point, it's still sort of interesting. It's a bit uncompromising in a way. I mean, you have that really catchy chorus, but the rest of the song is not really what you would expect from truly mainstream stuff. So I'm not surprised to hear that.

You did a bit of Lady Gaga before Lady Gaga with "Disco Queen"!

Yeah! It's just that the world didn't notice it as much, did they? (Laughs) We were kind of Mister Gaga, I guess! (laughs)

So what are you going to do or watch now?

I know Per wants to watch Judas and... What's the other stuff? Ozzy? I just met up with an old friend who plays in Dark Tranquillity these days. It's funny: back in 1994, I think, we won this national music contest in Sweden with Pain Of Salvation. And we had this music college band on the side, called The Q-Krunkers From Hell – I won't even describe what that means. He was 19 years old at that point, and he was one of the two guys taking care of our band. We went to their rehearsal room at one point. He was on stage with this joke band, because we had decided to highjack the stage for their first night. He played the bongo and I played the drums. It was like thrash death metal with country influences – in Swedish, of course! It was really bizarre, satanic and sexist lyrics. But it was a joke, of course, I must emphasize that: it was a joke band. He was playing the bongo for that, and now he's playing in Dark Tranquillity. I think that was actually the last time we met, in 1994, and now we just met up. So I think I'm gonna check his band out. It will be nice, seeing the old bongo player from The Q-Krunkers From Hell on stage! (Laughs)

Ok, you know, you're not really interesting so we'd better cut short this interview now...

See, that's what I said! I told you so! (Laughs)

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Interesting! Think I will definitely dig RS2...

LieLowTheWantedMan


russellmania

really surprised at the number of people on this board who liked RS1.  i thought it was awful and cut out the best parts of the Linoleum EP that preceded it.

Also, just curious, has Daniel ever acknowledged or defended the ridiculous similarity between 'Sisters' and 'Nocturne'.  Seems like the most blatant musical plagiarism I've heard in a long time.  Forgive me if this is a topic that has been discussed extensively, I haven't really been following the band much since Scarsick.

ClairvoyantCat

Quote from: russellmania on August 02, 2011, 11:29:47 AM
Also, just curious, has Daniel ever acknowledged or defended the ridiculous similarity between 'Sisters' and 'Nocturne'.  Seems like the most blatant musical plagiarism I've heard in a long time.  Forgive me if this is a topic that has been discussed extensively, I haven't really been following the band much since Scarsick.

If I'm remembering correctly, he said that the similarity really bothered him when it was pointed out to him and he nearly cut/changed the song because of it.  So, according to him it was an unintentional similarity, not a ripoff. 

russellmania

seems to me that it should have been cut and that both albums could have been served by being trimmed and released as 1 album.  Maybe I'll be wrong and RS2 will be great, but I expect it will have as much filler as RS1.

Adami

Quote from: russellmania on August 02, 2011, 12:11:11 PM
seems to me that it should have been cut and that both albums could have been served by being trimmed and released as 1 album.  Maybe I'll be wrong and RS2 will be great, but I expect it will have as much filler as RS1.

Sisters should have been cut?


No way.



Also, I assume you guys mean Chopins Nocturne? If so, which part I can't seem to find a similarity.
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ClairvoyantCat

Nope.  Nocture - Secret Garden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0K_zBV8IHc

I will admit, they are strikingly similar.

Adami

Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
Nope.  Nocture - Secret Garden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0K_zBV8IHc

I will admit, they are strikingly similar.

Well that would explain why I couldn't find any similarity to Chopin.


But wow that's the same melody. Oh well, stuff like that happens.
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73109

Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.

ClairvoyantCat

I do think it's possibly that Daniel unconsciously had the Secret Garden melody in his head when he wrote the song.  It's happened to me when writing music before.  The way that they both do the exact same little run at about :15 of the Secret Garden video makes a coincidence a little less credible.  But hey, it doesn't bother me.  Also, no way they should have cut Sisters.   :angry:

Adami

#1038
Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 12:21:47 PM
I do think it's possibly that Daniel unconsciously had the Secret Garden melody in his head when he wrote the song.  It's happened to me when writing music before.  The way that they both do the exact same little run at about :15 of the Secret Garden video makes a coincidence a little less credible.  But hey, it doesn't bother me.  Also, no way they should have cut Sisters.   :angry:

To be fair I wrote an extremely distinctive Korn riff about a month before it was released. It does happen.
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73109

I was messing around on the guitar and "wrote" the intro to Harvester of Sorrow by Metallica. Shit happens.

Adami

Quote from: 73109 on August 02, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.

Pretty sure this disqualifies you as a Pain of Salvation fan. It would be like saying you're a Metallica fan, but you only like Death Magnetic.
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contest_sanity

Quote from: Adami on August 02, 2011, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: 73109 on August 02, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.
Pretty sure this disqualifies you as a Pain of Salvation fan. It would be like saying you're a Metallica fan, but you only like Death Magnetic.
No, he can be a fan, just as long as he doesn't go to a concert and up on stage singing next to Daniel.

Zantera

Oh yeah, haven't posted here in a while.

Listened to BE and Scarsick once, they still need more time to grow, so ranking them is too early.
Album rankings for the rest:

1. Entropia
2. The Perfect Element
3. Remedy Lane
4. One Hour By the Conrete Lake
5. Road Salt One

As of now, it's tempting to put both Scarsick and BE between RL and One Hour, but yeah they need more time.
12:5 is probably my favorite album by them though, but it's not fair to rank it with the studio's.

Aniland

I assume most of the people here are familiar with Pain of Salvation, being one of the biggest prog metal bands and all. Of course, that's all changed as of the past couple of years with the blues rock release Road Salt One, styles of past albums practically all forgotten. With that said, I think that it's one of the best records I've ever heard and while I want more like The Perfect Element, I appreciate what they're doing just as much. Now, Road Salt Two comes in a couple months.

What's your thoughts on this new PoS?

Adami

Dude, I know you get off on starting threads, but there's a PoS thread like right beneath this one.
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Gorille85

Quote from: Adami on August 02, 2011, 03:16:50 PM
Dude, I know you get off on starting threads, but there's a PoS thread like right beneath this one.

Came here to post that.

Zantera

There's already a PoS-thread.

However to stay on topic, even though I like Road Salt One, I would still probably rank it the lowest out of the PoS albums I know.
It's a solid listen, but few of the songs stand out (to me) as being better then just 'good', but again... the whole "going back to the 70's" thing is kinda lame and overdone for me.

ClairvoyantCat


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