Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)

[abydos]

Conditioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album 

Hm... I think this is worse than anything on RS1 actually (and I dislike that one quite a lot). Oh well, it's not like I didn't expect this or anything. Hopefully there is a tuneo r two that sounds more like Sisters.

[ClairvoyantCat]

You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 

[ariich]

You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 

A live performance as well.

[abydos]

You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you?  

It's not like a better sounding recording of this will change my mind. I got into DT through a roughed up cassette tape of Awake so sound quality doesn't really matter that much if you don't like what you hear initially. Just like when I loved TPE (the song) when I first heard it. A 128kbps mp3.

[ClairvoyantCat]

It's not the sound quality I'm talking about.  I'm talking about the fact that this is a different recording, in a different setting, with possibly different parts.  A live recording is often a completely different animal from that of a studio song.  That's my only point.  I wasn't talking about sound quality. 

[abydos]

Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.

[mizzl]

Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.

I agree with this man

[Adami]

I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.

[faemir]

Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

[ariich]

Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!

[Ultimetalhead]

I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

[Adami]

Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

Oh of course not. But that doesn't mean I have to like it while they're doing it. I liked many parts of RS1, but usually just the songs that didn't have that 70's sound, like Sisters, of Dust, Under The Stars, Road Salt, and a few of the 70's sounding songs like Innocence and What She Means to Me. But most of the others I can listen to and enjoy, but don't really care much for.

[faemir]

Whatever they end up doing, I just want them to release more often. I hate it when good bands that takes a long time to release material.

[Adami]

I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.

[Ultimetalhead]

I honestly love RS1, but I'm thirsty for a new direction. It's been about a year since it came out, and we were supposed to get both at the same time.

[ariich]

I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.

Yeah that would be great, I really love 12:5. Something like that, but a studio album of new material, could be so amazing!

[Adami]

Speaking of RS2, is there any kind of release date yet? Or is Daniel still trying to make it more "raw" sounding?

[abydos]

Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!

Witchcraft do it a lot better, imo. Just putting it out there, not that I hate all 70s sounding music (maybe just the one made in the 70s because it sounds horriblem, much worse than that live recording of PoS :d).

[ClairvoyantCat]

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

[NecessaryPain]

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.

The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

[ariich]

I'd like to hear another album that sounds like RS1, Scarsick or Be.

[ClairvoyantCat]

The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 

That was referring to the new song.

[TheVoxyn]

I saw Conditioned live (twice even ), it was FUCKING AWESOME.

[PixelDream]

Out of everything post Scarsick, I still enjoy 'Gone' more than all the other songs they've released on Road Salt and the EP.

[Perpetual Change]

I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.

This, x1000. The thing is, I would love this stuff, if I hadn't already heard it and wasn't already in love with actual 60-70s hard rock.

[Gorille85]

PoS going all electro would awesome.

[Ben_Jamin]

I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.

[Perpetual Change]

I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.

I like different. Just not when "different" means ripping off music from 40-50 years ago.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.

Um...what?

[Ben_Jamin]

PoS with RS1 and Symphony X with PL are some examples I've noticed. I quite enjoy Road Salt 1 even Sleeping Under The Starts. Scarsick is also great probably among their best, its energetic and fun sounding.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Most of the complaints I heard is that they found it begins sounding like generic alt metal. I disagree, but I'm not a big fan.

[ariich]

People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.

[Silver Tears]

^ +1