Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)

[Pirate]

Agreed with Sigz. BTP is the greatest.

[ClairvoyantCat]

The Perfect Element (song) is full of stronger melodies and emotions than Beyond the Pale, it just fails to tie them all together correctly.  Which is why I hold those two about equal.


However, Enter Rain holds up perfectly on both the strong melodies/emotions and tying it all together, so it is, in my humble opinion, the best them.

[ariich]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgG7HI8E0dk     

Leo is one AWESOME vocalist! 


(And it's not Nights in White Satin  )

Wow, that's pretty damn good. Presumably Daniel took over on drums there?

[ClairvoyantCat]

Yeah, Daniel drums.


Speaking of which, has anyone else heard Tip Toe Two?  It's a demo from Road Salt in sort of a raw jazz rock style.  Daniel is drumming, and the drums are really freaking impressive. 

[Perpetual Change]

THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CAN FUAAAAAOOOCK HER LIKE I CAN


OH NO


YOUR SIMPLY




NOT THAT KIND OF MAN





   

That extended version of the song is much worse than the normal one.

[Ultimetalhead]

I'm going to pretend you meant "better".

[ClairvoyantCat]

Yeah, the way Daniel sings "Fuuooaack" contradicts PC's statement completely.

[sonatafanica]

God fucking dammit, PC.

[Perpetual Change]

Seriously. The original song is awesome. The extended one just drags on... I'm glad they went with the normal one.

[TheVoxyn]

I prefer the extended one. Awesome song, especially when combined with 'What she means to me'.

[MirzekDT]

I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome

[ariich]

I agree with everything Voxyn just said.

[Perpetual Change]

I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

[Ultimetalhead]

I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

I listened to the standard version once. It was my first listen of the album. After I got my hands on the extended songs, I fell in love with the album. There probably isn't much of a connection, but I do know that the extended versions are the songs that clicked with me, and the standard versions just seem short now.

[ClairvoyantCat]

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 

[ClairvoyantCat]

[MirzekDT]

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 

Pretty much this if the profanity isn't necessary here then there's no way it is necessary anywhere else, so there is no reason to even talk about some necessarity... But I agree that who likes what version probably depends the most on what version did you listen multiple times enough during getting into album period

Wait a minute i just listened to the normal version after some months right now and I realised that the verses are not the only thing that misses. They cut off half from the first soft section with just piano and vocals. And that section is one of my favorite moments from the album and from the POS overall so this made the normal version pretty much worthless for me.

[bodiesinflight]

Why haven't I listened to Remedy Lane in so long? I'd totally forgotten how good it was.

[jsem]

Listening to Be. Going to have to follow up on listening to all POS albums... Imago is epic.

[Gorille85]

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 

The drum solo in No Way is awesome.

[Pirate]

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

Why haven't I listened to Remedy Lane in so long? I'd totally forgotten how good it was.

I realized this too. Of the Two Beginnings is surprisingly good as an opener and a song.

[sonatafanica]

Oh yeah, especially when the A Trace of Blood melody comes in. It's a perfect opening song.


And also when the Beyond the Pale bit comes on...sort of, it's a variation I think. These are all just observations.

Here's what I mean from the two:

And there's nothing that we'd rather shaaare
---
In the morning she's going awaaaay

[ClairvoyantCat]

Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 


Even Scarsick had some subtle ones. 

[ariich]

Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 

Unusual terminology, but if you mean what I think you mean, then there are a couple. The start of Where It Hurts is based on the theme from Sisters.

[ClairvoyantCat]

Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 

Unusual terminology, but if you mean what I think you mean, then there are a couple. The start of Where It Hurts is based on the theme from Sisters.

That's a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you think?  I mean, 1,7,6 is not an uncommon progression.  However, it is possible. 

I meant more in specific melodies being repeated, such as the ones Sonata mentioned, the Imago one that shows up in BE, the drum pattern that repeats itself several times in Scarsick, etc. 

[ariich]

Yeah, I don't think RS1 is a concept album, which is a first for them, so that might be why there are no repeated melodies as such, just some subtler references.

[skydivingninja]

According to wiki, RS1 is a concept album.

Anyways, inspired by Sigz's top albums list, I'm going to attempt to pick up on what makes PoS so adored.  Remedy Lane is all right to me, with a few standouts, but a few clunkers as well.  I was going to try The Perfect Element, but found RS1 first.  After hearing "Linoleum," which I didn't like, and "Road Salt," which I thought was better, I figured, "maybe the album is better than that song."  Well, I've started my first listen of RS1, and "No Way" kicked in, and I was getting the feeling that the whole album would be full of this mediocre throwback classic/garage rock that not even an interesting atmospheric passage could save.  I'm on "Of Dust" right now.  This one and the last two songs have been a vast improvement, especially "Sisters."  It seems really easy to get lost in that song. 

[ariich]

Sisters is incredible, one of my favourite PoS songs.

And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.

[ClairvoyantCat]

SDN, Road Salt isn't exactly a starters album for PoS.  It's great, but The Perfect Element would be a better album to get into them.  

[sonatafanica]

And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.

I think what SDN is trying to get at is that he is one of those misinformed few who define "concept album" as anything with a theme.

But let's not let any of that shit go down in here.

[Adami]

Yeah, I don't think RS1 is a concept album, which is a first for them, so that might be why there are no repeated melodies as such, just some subtler references.

I'm not 100% sure if they're 100% identical, but it sounds like the Sisters melody is also in the middle or ending or whatever of Where it Hurts. The "everyone I know seems to be broken" part.

[ClairvoyantCat]

It's the same chord progression.  But it's a very common progression so it could likely be a coincidence. 

[sonatafanica]

They're not terribly similar, but it's the same fender rhodes sound and it definitely makes you think back to Sisters.

[faemir]

Got the deluxe edition of RS1 finally. I love the intro song, it leads in really nicely.