Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)

[Adami]

Yea, if I remember correctly at least some of the writing is from the Panther sessions, so I assume it'll have a pretty similar vibe. Which is fine by me.

[Kram]

Yea, if I remember correctly at least some of the writing is from the Panther sessions, so I assume it'll have a pretty similar vibe. Which is fine by me.

Yep, me as well.  Daniel mentioned over a year ago that he had started working on the next album.  Glad to see they take their time with it, unlike some others we know LOL

[goo-goo]

The only thing that bugs me is the snare sound...it's a bit annoying. Last two PoS releases have been stellar except for that.

[SoundscapeMN]

NA Tour this May with Klone.

i wonder if this suggests the new album could be coming this Spring?

[Adami]

Definitely going to that New York show!


Not sure if we'll get a new album before then, but maybe!

DG posted a pic of them recording the new album I think just today. No way they're still recording an album that will be released before May. Unless it was just an old pic and they're finished.

[Fritzinger]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but apparently the new album will be called THE DEEP END and it will include a song named FROM THE DEEP 

[Zydar]

Will they continue with the ALL CAPS?

[Fritzinger]

Will they continue with the ALL CAPS?

I'M NOT SURE BUT DG STYLIZED IT THAT WAY IN HIS POST SO THEY MIGHT

[ClairvoyantCat]

Imma go to that DC show for sure! 

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates. 

[axeman90210]

I'll see them on CttE, but not sure about any other shows. NYC would involve taking half a day off from work since I usually work from home now, and Philly would involve round trip transportation plus an airbnb for the night. I wasn't head over heels with Panther, so unless they drop the new album first and I love it I'll probably just stick with the cruise sets.

[King Postwhore]

I'll hit the Cambridge, Ma show.

[Kram]

I don't know if this was mentioned, but back in I believe November, Daniel had posted that he had contracted Lyme disease, and as a result he was unable to work on the new album for a few months.  Back then he said he had recovered, and was starting to work on the album again (and they're obviously still working on it).  So that set it back a bit.  Man for a guy who seems like he's in incredible shape, he sure has had some back luck health wise the last decade or so.  I really liked PANTHER so have high hopes for THE DEEP END

[Kram]

Imma go to that DC show for sure! 

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates.

Where do you see a DC show listed (not that I could go to that one)?  I'm only showing 1 show in San Jose CA, then Montreal, NY, Boston and Philly listed.  I sure hope they add more US dates.

[ClairvoyantCat]

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates.

Where do you see a DC show listed (not that I could go to that one)?  I'm only showing 1 show in San Jose CA, then Montreal, NY, Boston and Philly listed.  I sure hope they add more US dates.

I'm going off of the tour poster image posted above.  Guessing not all of them are actually listed/available just yet.

[Kram]

As for what this means for the new album, I'm betting on late Fall 2022.  They're probably wrapping up recording (Johan was in the studio the other day which generally means it's in the very late stages) but they'll tour for Panther and sit on it a while because May is way too soon for a release schedule.   This tour wasn't planned to support a new album, it's structured around the postponed CTTE and Progpower dates.

Where do you see a DC show listed (not that I could go to that one)?  I'm only showing 1 show in San Jose CA, then Montreal, NY, Boston and Philly listed.  I sure hope they add more US dates.

I'm going off of the tour poster image posted above.  Guessing not all of them are actually listed/available just yet.

OK, thanks.  I totally spaced and missed that.  Has anyone heard anything about a new bass player?  You'd think with a tour coming up they'd already have someone in place.

[Kram]

Daniel's up in his cabin in the woods this weekend recording vocals for the new album.  He actually posted a couple sneak peaks on Facebook yesterday asking peoples opinions on the different mic's he's using.  It sounded pretty incredible if you ask me.  Definitely a bit of a PANTHER vibe but slightly different.  If you have him on Facebook, go check it out.

[SoundscapeMN]

yeah I saw that on Instagram as well.

if he's working on vocals right now, yeah the new album very likely won't be until late in the year, or even early 2023.

[Kram]

yeah I saw that on Instagram as well.

if he's working on vocals right now, yeah the new album very likely won't be until late in the year, or even early 2023.

Hopefully by the end of the year.

[WilliamMunny]

I have tired, on multiple occasions, to get into Pain of Salvation...largely inspired by the way their fan base has written about the band over the years.

Unfortunately, nothing has clicked. Most recently, I gave their last record ('Panther'?) a listen when it came out, but again, I literally can't remember a single thing about it. I like Daniel's voice, and I 'like' the idea of the band...hell, I even like their album covers, but I suspect I'm just starting at the wrong spot. If the first thing I ever heard from DT was The Astonishing, I'm not sure that I'd have become a fan.

If anyone who's a fan wants to post a quick 'ranking' or 'where to start first' list, I'd love to give POS another shot.

[me7]

The debut has a couple of great tracks. But the albums "The perfect Element" and "Remedy Lane" are the most solid collections of songs they have done.

"B.E." stands out as their craziest concept album with some unique tracks that work like puzzle pieces in the whole but don't do much as songs of their own. If this sounds like your cup of tea, make sure to give it a listen.

[Kwyjibo]

They change the style of their music quite often, so their records are kinda diverse, but if you can't get into The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane, you probably don't like the rest either.

[nick_z]

I of course agree with the Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element recommendations.

I would add a personal favorite as well - One Hour By the Concrete Lake. It's their second album, first I've heard of them. In a way, that's their most classically Prog (capital P) Metal album, but it had plenty of their unique approach already. Production is a bit weird, but I love that record.

[WilliamMunny]

The debut has a couple of great tracks. But the albums "The perfect Element" and "Remedy Lane" are the most solid collections of songs they have done.

"B.E." stands out as their craziest concept album with some unique tracks that work like puzzle pieces in the whole but don't do much as songs of their own. If this sounds like your cup of tea, make sure to give it a listen.

"B.E." is the one with the narration? Yeah, I don't think I ever made it past the third track.

I will definitely listen to 'Remedy Lane' and 'The Perfect Element'...I usually start with a band's most recent, but the 'Panther' album reminded me more of a modern hard rock album (like Disturbed???) than anything close to a Prog record.

[SoundscapeMN]

I would try a few songs, but i agree, The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are probably the most accessible..

Entropia - People Passing By
One Hour by the Concrete Lake - Inside
The Perfect Element - In the Flesh, The Perfect Element, Her Voices
Remedy Lane - A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Ending Theme
Be - Iter Impius
Road Salt I - Linoleum
Road Salt II - Eleven
In the Passing Light of Day - On a Tuesday

[NoseofNicko]

As others have said The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are the best albums to start with.

[jammindude]

I think the first four are among the greatest debut 4 albums of all time in progressive metal.

Then BE was 5th, and while I do consider that to be an artistic masterpiece, it's a little bit more like performance art set to music than a proper progressive metal album.

The albums since then have been pretty hit and miss.

[Kram]

Another vote for The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.  I would pick up both of those and dive into them hard.  If those don't click with you, they're probably not the band for you. I consider both those albums 5 out of 5 stars!!

[porcacultor]

Definitely focus on The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane. They're ghostly portraits of what the band is now – the second guitar player is back, but for a while only Daniel Gildenlow remained from that lineup –, but their shadows loom large over the rest of their output since.

In the Passing Light of Day actually made me fall back in love with the band after not being so into the Road Salt albums (though there are a few songs in there that I love), so I'd recommend that one too.

If you want to get curious with the first albums, try their acoustic one, 12:5! It's surprisingly excellent for an acoustic album and has some versions that manage to excel the originals, IMO (Oblivion Ocean for one).

I wasn't crazy about Panther when it first came out, but I think it's charm and complexity are a bit deceiving. If you see it as a supercharged, streamlined, and warbly/glitchy version of In the Passing Light of Day (assuming you're into that one), it becomes a hell of a ride!

[Zydar]

I'm only a casual PoS listener, I basically focus on Remedy Lane. That one seems to hit the spot for me, along with some stuff off The Perfect Element.

[Bentower]

Here's yet another vote for The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.

Besides being arguably the two brightest gems in their discography, the other thing they have going for them is that they were both recently remixed (as 20th Anniversary Mix and Re:mixed, respectively) which did wonders as far as their clarity and punch goes.

The live acoustic album 12:5 that followed is also part of what I consider their artistic peak. Guitar tones notwithstanding, that one is very beautiful and imaginative. It also gives a taste of some great songs from the Entropia album.

[Kram]

I too LOVE 12:5.  But I would pick that up after fully digesting The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.  I think this will give you a better appreciation of it.  And if you really like that - then pickup Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake.  The Road Salts are the weakest albums for me, but yes still a few outstanding songs on those as well.  I love both In the Passing Light of Day and PANTHER.  I thought they're both a huge return to form.

[Zantera]

I actually think starting from the beginning works quite well and that's what did it for me. Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake are both great and by the time you get to The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane you are already warmed up/familiar with the band and those albums might hit harder.

[Kram]

I actually think starting from the beginning works quite well and that's what did it for me. Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake are both great and by the time you get to The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane you are already warmed up/familiar with the band and those albums might hit harder.

Yes, this would work well too.  Then after you're familiar with Remedy Lane, pick up 12:5 and I guarantee you'll love that.

[Herrick]

Here's yet another vote for The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane.

Besides being arguably the two brightest gems in their discography, the other thing they have going for them is that they were both recently remixed (as 20th Anniversary Mix and Re:mixed, respectively) which did wonders as far as their clarity and punch goes.

The live acoustic album 12:5 that followed is also part of what I consider their artistic peak. Guitar tones notwithstanding, that one is very beautiful and imaginative. It also gives a taste of some great songs from the Entropia album.

I did not know The Perfect Element was remixed. Damn...almost $18 for the MP3 on Amaschlong.

[goo-goo]

I actually think starting from the beginning works quite well and that's what did it for me. Entropia and One Hour by the Concrete Lake are both great and by the time you get to The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane you are already warmed up/familiar with the band and those albums might hit harder.

Yes, this would work well too.  Then after you're familiar with Remedy Lane, pick up 12:5 and I guarantee you'll love that.

12:5 and the Road Salt albums were clunkers for me and even Be to some extent. But Entropia, One Hour, TPE and Remedy Lane is probably one of the best runs ever in music.