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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3360 on: November 20, 2020, 12:48:08 PM »
I just downloaded the remix from Amazon.com.  I'm really more interested in the live cuts

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3361 on: November 20, 2020, 02:49:50 PM »
I never really had a problem with how TPE sounded. But I'm interested in the live tracks.
Must've been Kwyji sending all the wrong songs.   ;D

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« Reply #3362 on: November 21, 2020, 03:01:28 AM »
I love TPE the way it is but a 2020 remix of one of my favorite albums ever will definitely get me excited! It does highlight some parts better while some parts sounds colder and the additional effects added (or that simply was super low in original mix) doesn't improve the songs. I am very happy overall that the remix tries something different.

I think the live versions are cool but nothing amazing. Specially since it's songs i already heard live many times. Idioglossia, Her Voices or In The Flesh live would have gotten me very excited.

Actually what they did for Remedy Lane was cool i.e. playing the whole album live and releasing that together with the new remix.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3363 on: November 21, 2020, 05:43:33 AM »
Picked up the 2cd edition of Panther today.  Haven't even heard the album yet.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3364 on: November 22, 2020, 07:01:17 AM »
This anniversary mix is a wonderful thing to have. I've always loved The Perfect Element immensely, but with all the layers it's got going on most the time, the original mix, while not without its merits, struggled to make sense of it all. I like how this version has a ton more clarity, more power where needed and greater separation between the instruments. Being able to discern the string and keyboard parts throughout is mostly a boon (the jury's still out on the loud sawtooth line during King of Loss' chorus).

Unlike some I certainly don't find this mix to be woefully flat or too modernized. Thankfully they kept to the original recorded sounds where it counts. There are certain details and features I'm missing from before, like being able to hear the bass and all main vocal lines without effort, but since the album's basically a part of my DNA I can fill in those blanks with ease if that makes sense.

The one thing that doesn't sit well with me is the strange high-end ringing during the title track's "I'm the waking child" section. I do feel that most of the changes in terms of added effects were tastefully and respectfully done.

Overall then this is one of the rare success stories when it comes to full album remixes. It's still not perfect, but it's an improvement and as close as we'll get to one. This was surely more called for than in the case of Remedy Lane. I'd go so far as to say that TPE needed this. I greatly appreciate the loving work done by Pontus Lindmark here.

The bonus CD was decent enough for an extra, but it's nothing I'm likely to revisit. I did like what they did with the end of this live version of TPE the song.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3365 on: November 24, 2020, 05:07:32 AM »
With my lay ears I think I hear a bigger difference between the two Remedy Lane mixes than the two Perfect Element mixes. I thought the differences would be bigger.

For me, the mix is an improvement over the overloaded yet weirdly thin sound of the original. I just think the drums could have a bigger sound though. They do sound better, but I am a fan of mighty drums  :lol

I am not at my own apartment because of the lockdown in Austria right now, so I don't have my whole collection including the vinyl with the original mix of The Perfect Element right here.. Also I don't have a very good sound system here. Once I get back to my apartment I will compare the two mixes one on one.

That being said, one of the band's best songs ever, Voices, sounds opulent with this mix.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3366 on: November 24, 2020, 09:00:53 AM »
I think the changes for TPE are bigger than Remedy actually. However I do know TPE by heart so it's easy to distinguish when something is different.

Been playing this quite a bit last days and still in awe of how just superb this album still is. Daniel was on fire when writing lyrics and melodies. Her Voices was already my favorite but here the mix elevate it even more. The finale is top 3 POS highlights for me.

King of Loss has some effects I don't quite like in this mix. Like the "will buy me a precious smile" where they have this echo effect. Just don't fit imo.

But someone said it well that this mix in a way does make the mix more distinguished and knows better what to do with everything.

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« Reply #3367 on: November 24, 2020, 02:19:25 PM »
Must give some appreciation to the strings that can now be heard in the TPE (the song). The original mix sadly hides the strings for the intro and now when I hear them loud and clear I can't live without it!

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« Reply #3368 on: November 27, 2020, 12:56:29 AM »
Haha I am just talking to myself at this point but have to write stuff down when it gets inside my head to much. Listening to the remix just turned me into the child that once heard this album for the first time and started to understand how big impact it would have on me.

How can a band from Sweden write this and be ignored by that same country? Every god damn day I see some musician on TV being applauded for their musical impact when they written a new song just like their previous. Mediocre singers. Mediocre songwriters. Maybe someone released a new album created using the same template about something I heard 1000 times before. Sometimes it's ofc valid or the musician had a big impact long time ago on radio. BUT HOW is it that an album as fantastic as this can be so ignored. I am happy there's a community where it does get the high praise it deserve. Not sure why that's important but it feels a bit like justice to me. It also makes me wonder how many other albums from other countries that I don't know about that could have a similar impact on me.

Anyway TPE is just the best album by a band unknown to the rest of the world (except progressive community). I really love it so much.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3369 on: November 27, 2020, 04:17:45 AM »
Don't worry man, I read everything you are writing ;)

I think the changes for TPE are bigger than Remedy actually. However I do know TPE by heart so it's easy to distinguish when something is different.

Been playing this quite a bit last days and still in awe of how just superb this album still is. Daniel was on fire when writing lyrics and melodies. Her Voices was already my favorite but here the mix elevate it even more. The finale is top 3 POS highlights for me.

King of Loss has some effects I don't quite like in this mix. Like the "will buy me a precious smile" where they have this echo effect. Just don't fit imo.

But someone said it well that this mix in a way does make the mix more distinguished and knows better what to do with everything.

You might know this album far better than me. As mentioned, I will have to compare the two versions one on one once I get back to Austria to my record collection. I admit I haven't heard the Remedy Lane remix OR original mix in over a year, so my memory could be off.


Haha I am just talking to myself at this point but have to write stuff down when it gets inside my head to much. Listening to the remix just turned me into the child that once heard this album for the first time and started to understand how big impact it would have on me.

How can a band from Sweden write this and be ignored by that same country? Every god damn day I see some musician on TV being applauded for their musical impact when they written a new song just like their previous. Mediocre singers. Mediocre songwriters. Maybe someone released a new album created using the same template about something I heard 1000 times before. Sometimes it's ofc valid or the musician had a big impact long time ago on radio. BUT HOW is it that an album as fantastic as this can be so ignored. I am happy there's a community where it does get the high praise it deserve. Not sure why that's important but it feels a bit like justice to me. It also makes me wonder how many other albums from other countries that I don't know about that could have a similar impact on me.

Anyway TPE is just the best album by a band unknown to the rest of the world (except progressive community). I really love it so much.

As for this band and album being unknown to most people; that is the sad reality for so many great progressive bands. A band like PoS (or Haken, Big Big Train or Leprous) deserve worldwide fame for their amazing compositions and performances. But people don't take their time to listen to a complex 70 minutes concept album.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3370 on: November 27, 2020, 03:23:32 PM »
I agree, on these days it's already hard to finish to listen a single song for most people.
Maybe if I was born in the 2000 I would have never had the patience to listen those albums.

I agree that TPE is unreal, so many highlights one after the other. The style of PoS may be too dramatic for many but to me is pure emotion.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3371 on: January 02, 2021, 05:28:02 PM »
Took some time to properly A/B compare sections from most songs. Guitars and vocals are a bit muffled to leave space for other instruments, Daniels voice sounds less human as a result, but 80% of the time I prefer it this way to hear more details in the background. Heavier tracks like Used and Reconciliation however lose too much of their emotional drive.
The only real failure in my opinion is Song for the Innocent. Many quiet sections throughout the album were made louder in this mix, I don't agree with those decisions, but I don't consider them hurtful. The solo of Song for the Innocent however was made quieter. I consider it one of the albums highlights and like how the original mix kicks into overdrive at this point. The new mix makes the solo sound anemic.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3372 on: February 26, 2021, 08:21:11 AM »
Pain of Salvation – First ever vinyl release announced for the concept album "BE" and the acoustic live album "12:5" from 2004

Pre-order starts today

Drum playthrough video launched

While Swedish progressive metal / rock pioneers and innovators Pain of Salvation continue to challenge and bend stylistic boundaries with their frontline albums (Most recently: “PANTHER”, 2020), InsideOutMusic continues to re-work the group’s comprehensive and ground-breaking back-catalogue…
 
Consequently, Pain of Salvation’s classic 2004 concept album “BE” (15 songs / 75 min.) as well as the exceptional 2004 acoustic live album 12:5 (16 songs / 60 min.) are now made available for the first time ever on vinyl, with a worldwide release date of April 30th, 2021.
 
Both releases come as Gatefold Double-LP’s on 180g. vinyl with insert sheet and full album on bonus CD, available in the following variations/limitations:
 
Pain of Salvation – “BE” (Re-issue 2021):
Gatefold black 2LP+CD – Unlimited
Gatefold deep blood red 2LP+CD – 100x copies from IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold transp. magenta 2LP+CD – 300x copies from CM Distro & IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold transp. light blue 2LP+CD  – 200x copies from EMP
Gatefold transp. sun yellow 2LP+CD – 200x copies from JPC
Gatefold lilac 2LP+CD – 200x copies from Revolver / USA
Gatefold white 2LP+CD – 100x copies from Band Webshop
Gatefold transp. petrol green 2LP+CD – 100x copies from Band Webshop
 
Pain of Salvation – 12:5 (Re-issue 2021):
Gatefold black 2LP+CD – Unlimited
Gatefold brown 2LP+CD – 100x copies from IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold transp. sun yellow 2LP+CD – 300x copies from CM Distro & IOM Webshop Europe
Gatefold neon orange 2LP+CD – 200x copies from EMP
Gatefold transp. petrol green 2LP+CD – 200x copies from JPC
Gatefold brick red 2LP+CD – 200x copies from Revolver / USA
Gatefold white 2LP+CD – 100x copies from Band Webshop
 
The pre-order for both vinyl re-issues is now available here:
https://painofsalvation.lnk.to/Re-Issues2021PR
 
Pain of Salvation’s Daniel Gildenlöw checked in with the following comment:
“So, we can’t come and play for you, but in this weird time of separation, we are all somehow closer to one another than ever. Please invite us into your hearts and homes in the shape of these two albums that are finally released on vinyl, after all these years. We know, judging from the number of questions and requests over the years, how important this day is for many of you, and it makes us very happy to be able to bring you the news. Your. Wait. Is. Over.
 
At http://painofsalvation.com/store we will have signed colored versions available, 100 copies worldwide only, and the first 30 copies of each version will be numbered and have a handwritten lyric quote on the front cover. All pre-sales come with two shop-specific postcards.”
 
Additionally, Pain of Salvation’s drummer Léo Margarit prepared a special drum playthrough video for the “BE” song “Nihil Morari” to enhance the announcement of these vinyl re-issues.
You can check out the clip here: https://youtu.be/94J7R5jhDVo
 
Léo Margarit commented:
“I played “Nihil Morari” for the first time when I pressed “record” on my pro tools system for that video recording...While I knew all about its intricacies for having listened to it just about a million times, it proved rather difficult to perform well right away...! Nonetheless it was really fun to do and I hope I’m making Johan Langell proud!”
 
Pain of Salvation have most recently released the studio album “PANTHER”, which managed to enter various international sales charts including the following: Germany # 19, Switzerland # 18, Austria # 43, Belgium (Wallonia) # 42, France # 125, UK Rock Album Chart # 12 as well as # 21 in the “Current Hard Music Albums” chart in the USA.
 
Check out these video links for an introduction to Pain of Salvation’s “PANTHER” album:
“ACCELERATOR”: https://youtu.be/5QKmOJl4GXQ
“RESTLESS BOY”: https://youtu.be/jkU564tyD5M
“PANTHER”: https://youtu.be/NmhJTkc9v8o
“UNFUTURE” Lyric Video: https://youtu.be/lZy3XoOBHTU
“PANTHER” Lyric Video: https://youtu.be/katNlRYPA9o
“RESTLESS BOY” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/URYPi9Elv2g
“ACCELERATOR” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/zC7qXUjYyDQ
“WAIT” Drum Playthrough: https://youtu.be/zDzrglYYVvM
“PANTHER” Album Trailer: https://youtu.be/njgmgECkFBw

Next to the standard CD and the Digital Album formats, ”PANTHER” is also available as limited 2CD Mediabook (Including expanded artwork and the 4 bonus tracks on a separate disc) and as 180g. Gatefold 2LP (Including the 4 bonus tracks on Side D and album on CD as bonus).


You can still order “PANTHER” in its various formats here: https://PainofSalvation.lnk.to/Panther
 
Pain of Salvation also recently released a special re-issue edition for their “The Perfect Element, Pt. I” album from 2000. Celebrating the 20th anniversary of the band’s third album, the re-issue version is entitled “The Perfect Element, Pt. I (Anniversary Mix 2020)” and comes remixed by Pontus Lindmark as well as mastered by Thor Legvold / Sonovo. The release features slightly revised artwork, new liner-notes and is available as limited 2CD Digipak and Digital Album (with a total of 8 bonus tracks) as well as in the Gatefold 2LP format on 180g. vinyl with the entire remixed album as bonus CD.
 
Check out the album’s digital singles for a better idea of the new mixes:
“Ashes (Anniversary Mix 2020)”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVblZBWE5ag
https://open.spotify.com/track/1KsDYvXlD1Kwv8h4WQUmOv
“Used (Anniversary Mix 2020)”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwJJO2__z_U
https://open.spotify.com/album/6bY1mKqQrw9OQ6VA2VDqS5
 
Watch two drum playthrough clips by Pain of Salvation’s Léo Margarit for “The Perfect Element, Pt. I” songs:
Idioglossia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyZ4NZBCpA4
Used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWH48KYM1kY
 
You can order the release in its various formats here:
https://painofsalvation.lnk.to/ThePerfectElementI2020
 
Stay tuned for more Pain of Salvation news coming soon…
Pain of Salvation online:
www.painofsalvation.com
www.facebook.com/painofsalvation
https://twitter.com/thebestofpain

INSIDEOUT MUSIC online:
www.insideoutmusic.com
www.insideoutmusic.store
www.youtube.com/InsideOutMusicTV
www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic
www.twitter.com/InsideOutUSA
http://spotify.com/progrockessentials

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3373 on: February 26, 2021, 09:26:51 AM »
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3374 on: February 26, 2021, 12:16:34 PM »
Not a big vinyl guy, but 12:05 is awesome.  Love that reworked version of Ashes they did.  I think I actually like it better than TPE version

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« Reply #3375 on: February 27, 2021, 08:11:05 AM »
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.

The band re-released Entropia 4 years ago on vinyl ;)
https://www.discogs.com/de/Pain-Of-Salvation-Entropia/master/183236
If I recall correctly, BE is the only studio album by them not available yet on vinyl.

I ordered at their official website and PayPal somehow rejected the payment, which sucks, but it lead to me having mail contact with Daniel  :omg: I hope I'm still under the first 30!
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3376 on: February 27, 2021, 10:10:42 AM »
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.

The band re-released Entropia 4 years ago on vinyl ;)
https://www.discogs.com/de/Pain-Of-Salvation-Entropia/master/183236
If I recall correctly, BE is the only studio album by them not available yet on vinyl.

I ordered at their official website and PayPal somehow rejected the payment, which sucks, but it lead to me having mail contact with Daniel  :omg: I hope I'm still under the first 30!

damn, I missed that. I ended up buying In the Passing Light of Day along with Remedy Lane and TPE on Vinyl.

Also One Hour came out, but those appear to be issued only in Germany, so the price?..it looks like between $45-$60 :smiley:

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« Reply #3377 on: February 27, 2021, 11:20:33 AM »
maybe Be...12:5 is awfully tempting.

if it were Entropia, I don't think I would question it as that's the most desired of the records not on Vinyl yet.

The band re-released Entropia 4 years ago on vinyl ;)
https://www.discogs.com/de/Pain-Of-Salvation-Entropia/master/183236
If I recall correctly, BE is the only studio album by them not available yet on vinyl.

I ordered at their official website and PayPal somehow rejected the payment, which sucks, but it lead to me having mail contact with Daniel  :omg: I hope I'm still under the first 30!

damn, I missed that. I ended up buying In the Passing Light of Day along with Remedy Lane and TPE on Vinyl.

Also One Hour came out, but those appear to be issued only in Germany, so the price?..it looks like between $45-$60 :smiley:

Their rereleases came out on InsideOut and it's a German label, yes. But usually, InsideOut vinyl is available basically everywhere, including Amazon. The colored versions are mostly sold out, but you should be able to find the black vinyl for a reasonable price still  :tup Dream Theater is on the InsideOut label too!
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3378 on: March 04, 2021, 11:28:44 AM »
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

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« Reply #3379 on: March 05, 2021, 02:01:16 AM »
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

Awesome!!

Daniel answered a fan's comment under a post yesterday:

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Don't worry, the record industry is a slow machine. Once I'm 100% done and all the mixing, mastering and artwork is done, it's another 4 months until it can be released. Unless it's a month with lots of releases, then you might have to wait a few more months. This is why I always feel I'm making interviews on an old album. When PANTHER was released, I had left it ages ago.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3380 on: March 05, 2021, 08:24:58 AM »
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

AFAIK, the idea of the new album is to complement Panther, same concept as in RS1 ans RS2. I remeber that when Panther was in recording stage, there was a working title of "City Ghosts" that eventually Daniel said would be in the next PoS album. The booklet of Panther also gives a hint in this direction...

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3381 on: March 05, 2021, 08:43:24 AM »
1 of the interviews Daniel gave when Panther dropped, I recall he mentioned some of the music he wrote wasn't used on Panther, and hinted at the next record coming soon, so a follow-up this year doesn't seem surprising.

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« Reply #3382 on: March 05, 2021, 09:33:13 AM »
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

AFAIK, the idea of the new album is to complement Panther, same concept as in RS1 ans RS2. I remeber that when Panther was in recording stage, there was a working title of "City Ghosts" that eventually Daniel said would be in the next PoS album. The booklet of Panther also gives a hint in this direction...

Cool! I think I have heard this info before but completely forgot about it. I'd really like that!

Maybe it's too unimaginative, but maybe he'll call the band's next album DOG (considering the whole concept is about dogs and panthers)  :lol
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3383 on: March 05, 2021, 11:10:05 AM »
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

Awesome!!

Daniel answered a fan's comment under a post yesterday:

Quote
Don't worry, the record industry is a slow machine. Once I'm 100% done and all the mixing, mastering and artwork is done, it's another 4 months until it can be released. Unless it's a month with lots of releases, then you might have to wait a few more months. This is why I always feel I'm making interviews on an old album. When PANTHER was released, I had left it ages ago.

Hopefully it will be out towards the end of the year then.

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« Reply #3384 on: March 05, 2021, 11:11:20 AM »
Apparently we'll have a new POS album this year!  I remember seeing an interview with Daniel last year, where he stated the label asked him if he wanted to work on a new album right away, as touring was out of the question.  Well he posted a bunch of stuff on Facebook in the last day or so, stating he's working on the new album.  Will be interesting to see where they go with this one, as they usually don't repeat themselves - and PANTHER was my album of the year last year.

AFAIK, the idea of the new album is to complement Panther, same concept as in RS1 ans RS2. I remeber that when Panther was in recording stage, there was a working title of "City Ghosts" that eventually Daniel said would be in the next PoS album. The booklet of Panther also gives a hint in this direction...

Didn't know that, but I'm down - I loved Panther!

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3385 on: June 26, 2021, 06:21:49 AM »
For some reason I had an urge to go back on a bit of a POS deep dive.  I started with the remixed version of Remedy Lane.  Sounds great and without playing both cd's back to back I'm not sure what the differences are but this sounds great.

The main reason for my post is the second live CD.  I don't think I've ever spun it but holy shit this is a wonderful performance.  And a great sounding recording. 
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« Reply #3386 on: September 06, 2021, 01:06:11 AM »
So what's the 1 year later verdict of Panther?

I am impressed by how well Panther has aged for me. I really loved the album on release and it left me more impressed by than ITPLOD, which I seldom listen to anymore. ITPLOD is somehow objectively good but it much more a classic prog metal than I am used to from POS. It doesn't twist and turn or force me to rethink anything, which usually happens with POS. For any other band ITPLOD would be a milestone but for POS somehow it's too predictable and one sided for me 🤔

Panther on the other side is one of the best well rounded albums released by the band. It sounds fantastic and contains a style that feels new and fresh even 1 year ahead. Going from the crazy nerv of Accelerator into the heavy as f**k Unfuture into the drum madness that is Restless Boy over to the beauty of Wait is just a fantastic start for an album 😍 Crazy variation but still somehow fits.

Not sure where it fits exactly in the discography rating but for me but I honestly think it takes RL down one step leaving TPE and BE just above.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3387 on: September 06, 2021, 01:27:29 AM »
Panther is still a beast, but I've never gotten to terms with the title track. I'm just not into that style of music.
I agree that it's a stronger album than ITPLOD which certainly had it's moments, but also more substandard riffs, meandering passages and annoying bits than I thought I'd get from Daniel & co.

Might as well throw a ranking here:

1. TPE
2. RL
3. Entropia
4. OHBTCL
5. Panther
6. BE
7. ITPLOD
8. Scarsick
9. RS2
10. RS1
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3388 on: September 06, 2021, 01:35:13 AM »
I haven't listened to Panther in a while but I'd say in my head it holds up fairly well. Some songs on it I really enjoyed like Keen to a Fault and Accelerator.
My rankings would look something like this:

1. BE
2. TPE
3. Entropia
4. RL
5. Panther
6. ITPLOD
7. OHBTCL
8. RS2
9. RS1
10. Scarsick

Overall Scarsick is really the only one I don't revisit much. It has some decent songs on it but it feels quite long and personally never quite clicked with me. I'll throw on the RS albums maybe once a year and get a kick out of them. The title track of ITPLOD is still my favorite PoS tune overall but the album does have a few weaker songs before that. BE is their best even though the concept is something I never fully got into, TPE, Entropia and RL are all great. Panther the best of the rest.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3389 on: September 06, 2021, 03:17:22 AM »
When it was released I really liked Panther and was impressed, but one year later I realize that I almost never have the urge to listen to it again. If ranking it, as of now it would be more near the bottom, maybe like this:

The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
Entropia
In The Passing Light Of Day
Road Salt 1
Scarsick
Panther
One Hour By The Concrete Lake
Road Salt 2
BE
Must've been Kwyji sending all the wrong songs.   ;D

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3390 on: September 06, 2021, 02:26:59 PM »
It was my album of the year last year and I'm sticking to that -  loved it when it was released and still love it now!  Rankings would be as follows -

1. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
2. Remedy Lane
3. PANTHER
4. Entropia
5. In the Passing Light of Day
6. BE
7. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
8. Road Salts One
9. Road Slats Two
10. Scarsick

Can't wait for the new album.  Has anyone heard any updates on it?

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3391 on: September 10, 2021, 08:18:07 PM »
Very late to the party. Just picked up Panther today and spun it for the first time on my commute home. (Along with the new Maiden…traffic was terrible)

Very different. Really enjoyed it. The highlights were not as high as they were on ITPLOD…but there also wasn’t anything like Reasons (which I really hated).

I’ll have to spin in a few more times to make up my mind, but I found it a more enjoyable listening experience as a whole that ITPLOD.
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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3392 on: September 11, 2021, 01:12:21 PM »
Pain of Salvation is a band I was kind of obsessed with and then...I wasn't anymore  ;)

I discovered them with One Hour, which I loved (and still is one of my favorites)...went back to Entropia when it was re-released in Europe. Then my fandom was cemented with Perfect Element Pt.1 and, even more, Remedy Lane. That's when they hit the sweet spot for me. Very "emotional" music with plenty of ideas and surprises. I didn't connect with BE as much - some great moments in it, but overall a few steps too far in trying to write the concept to end all concepts. I however enjoyed Scarsick a TON when it came out. Even songs where the occasional cringe factor was pretty high  :biggrin:

Then...they sort of lost me. I don't think it's the fact that they "changed" per se. After all, Scarsick was already quite different than what came before. It's just that the sound they went for on the Road Salt albums didn't interest me much. I don't know...that vintage thing didn't come across as particularly natural, and the songs (for the most part) didn't hit me.

I guess POS was always Gildenlow's creature, but this is when it became especially clear he was the one making all the calls (well, literally, since most of the original members were gone by now)

A for the most recent history: I actually liked In the Passing Light of Day...again, not because of its touted "return to prog" (which was true only to a point, I think)...more because of a return of interesting ideas - to me at least. But even with liking it, I can't say it rekindled the old flame. As for Panther, I found it to be quite cool, but I wasn't blown away. I do need to spend more time with it, though.

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3393 on: October 05, 2021, 11:15:07 PM »
working title of the next record: "The Deep End"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUq-pmuIUAs/

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Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
« Reply #3394 on: October 06, 2021, 12:12:36 PM »
working title of the next record: "The Deep End"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUq-pmuIUAs/

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Candles are lit, the Kiss incense is burning, and so is the midnight oil. Working title for the new album is THE DEEP END. Will you follow us into the deep? #welcometothedeepend #painofsalvation #happypuppy #deadmapleroom #5am
Beat me to it, was about to come on here and post this as well.  Hopefully we'll hear more details about the release soon.  I know they've been working on it for awhile..