Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)

[seasonsinthesky]

They use the song Remedy Lane as an opener, instead of having in the middle of the set, which works much better if you ask me. I always thought the CD was weird in that it has two instrumentals after one another.

Fair point about two successive instrumentals, but I think the point was that "Remedy Lane" opens the final section of tracks ("Chapter 3") by reprising some of the central melodic themes from earlier tracks; the songs that follow it vary pretty strangely from the style on the rest of the album, especially "Beyond the Pale," so it was likely important to open with a 'reminder' before the album/story got weirder.

Interesting to note TPI pt. I has this as well, but it was only a Japanese bonus track (until Inside Out's last reissue). Seems Remedy Lane was always a refinement on TPI.

[SoundscapeMN]

for those who didn't go back, the Pain of Salvation web series documentary has been updated. All of Season 1 is now online and was put up within the last month.

https://mapenzifilm.se/

[Cyclopssss]

The live part just affirmed for me again what an awesome piece of music Remedy Lane is. I had my doubts on how the new line-up would perform, but they proved to be completely groundless. They perform admirable.

[Lynxo]

The live part just affirmed for me again what an awesome piece of music Remedy Lane is. I had my doubts on how the new line-up would perform, but they proved to be completely groundless. They perform admirable.

This, so much! And I'd also add that the remix did the same thing - I love that it brings out new aspects of the music I never noticed before.

[Scorpion]

Somehow I never really got around to checking them out before, but man, how awesome are Beyond the Mirror and Timeweaver's Tale? So fucking good, I'd take them over at least half the songs on OHBTCL, such underrated gems.

[LordCost]

There's even a 9 minute version of Timeweaver's Tale on their demo of 1996! I think Beyond The Mirror is solid but a bit boring, I like Timeweaver's Tale but it would be in the bottom half of OHBTCL for me.
Talking about rarities, there are also two songs from 1993 you can find on youtube, called Repent and Unknowing

[wolfking]

Somehow I never really got around to checking them out before, but man, how awesome are Beyond the Mirror and Timeweaver's Tale? So fucking good, I'd take them over at least half the songs on OHBTCL, such underrated gems.

It's astonishing that these songs are bonus tracks.

[Elite]

Like Thorn Clown. I bought the Remedy Lane vinyl reissue specifically so I could get my hands on a CD that includes that track.

[Lynxo]

Oh man, Beyond THe Mirror, Thorn Clown and Timeweaver's Tale are so awesome.

[pain of occupation]

if we're listing off rare japanese bonus tracks, we would be remiss not to mention Never Learn To Fly, which I believe Daniel wrote when he was 11 years old or some isht. \m/

[abydos]

Is this album scheduled for 2016 or?

[Zantera]

Pretty sure it's scheduled for the autumn/winter.

[Cyclopssss]

for those who didn't go back, the Pain of Salvation web series documentary has been updated. All of Season 1 is now online and was put up within the last month.

https://mapenzifilm.se/

These things are pretty insightful. And way more serious then I expected. Also, it's painful to see a band this big having to reharse in such depressive reheasal space.

[Lynxo]

for those who didn't go back, the Pain of Salvation web series documentary has been updated. All of Season 1 is now online and was put up within the last month.

https://mapenzifilm.se/

These things are pretty insightful. And way more serious then I expected. Also, it's painful to see a band this big having to reharse in such depressive reheasal space.

Actually, most bands have similar spaces. I've seen Opeth's rehearsal room and that looks about the same. The thing that's depressive to me is all the problems they seem to be having.

[Cyclopssss]

Yeah true. Unfortunately, that's the fate of a lot of bands, they have to keep their day jobs. Also, the fact that Daniel is the sole creative force and songwriter in the band doesn't help. I did enjoy the footage of Kristoffer Gildenlow coming to visit his brother backstage though. I haven't seen anything about the debiliitating desease Daniel contracted which halted the band for some time, though. 

[Lynxo]

Yeah true. Unfortunately, that's the fate of a lot of bands, they have to keep their day jobs. Also, the fact that Daniel is the sole creative force and songwriter in the band doesn't help. I did enjoy the footage of Kristoffer Gildenlow coming to visit his brother backstage though. I haven't seen anything about the debiliitating desease Daniel contracted which halted the band for some time, though.

That happens later in the timeline so maybe they'll feature that next season.

Man, when you think about it, this band has had a great deal of setbacks. I'm not too familiar with the band's early history (up until Remedy Lane or something I guess) but the later years seems really rough for them.

[Cyclopssss]

Well, let's see. First their bassplayer quits/gets asked to leave because he's spending most of his time in Holland.
Then their drummer quits because he's become a father and wants to spend more time with his family (understandable).
Then their guitarist quits/wants time out because he wants to climb a mountain and contemplate on life and who he is. And because he thinks there's too little progress.  (my understanding, at least). Then he DOESN'T want to quit....and then does.
When they finally replace all these guys their keyboardplayer quits because he wants to persue a classical carreer (?).

I also found the footage hilarious when they were auditioning drummers and the blonde girl with the big boobies was playing with them. The awkward silence afterwards.....and then Daniel: 'yeah....so, that's not going to work out, is it?' (silence).    Boy, this guy must have been feeling alone for quite some time. Then this kid comes in to play... mmm...no. 

[Kwyjibo]

Also, it's painful to see a band this big having to reharse in such depressive reheasal space.

Are they really "this big"? I seriously doubt that. They are known in prog circles and even there they are not universally known or liked. Outside of that small niche I think nobody has ever heard of them. Maybe some in Sweden when Daniel took part in the european song contest. And I wonder how or if they can make a living with just this one band. Daniel as the main force and songwriter may get some royalties now and then, but the rest? And I think that this is one of the reasons, among others, the other members quit.

And they had a lot of setbacks they couldn't influence, like Daniel's disease, but I always had the feeling that they missed a lot of opportunities because of not being ready (to tour, to record, whatever) when the time arises. It is five years since Road Salt Two, what happened in between? And Daniel's US embargo may be morally important to him but didn't make things easier for the band.

[Lynxo]

Well, let's see. First their bassplayer quits/gets asked to leave because he's spending most of his time in Holland.
Then their drummer quits because he's become a father and wants to spend more time with his family (understandable).
Then their guitarist quits/wants time out because he wants to climb a mountain and contemplate on life and who he is. And because he thinks there's too little progress.  (my understanding, at least). Then he DOESN'T want to quit....and then does.
When they finally replace all these guys their keyboardplayer quits because he wants to persue a classical carreer (?).

Yeah, I even think it's amazing this band still exists at all. Most people would probably have called it quits at that point. So all props to Daniel for keeping the ship going and continuing to create great music. 

Are they really "this big"? I seriously doubt that. They are known in prog circles and even there they are not universally known or liked. Outside of that small niche I think nobody has ever heard of them. Maybe some in Sweden when Daniel took part in the european song contest. And I wonder how or if they can make a living with just this one band. Daniel as the main force and songwriter may get some royalties now and then, but the rest? And I think that this is one of the reasons, among others, the other members quit.

And they had a lot of setbacks they couldn't influence, like Daniel's disease, but I always had the feeling that they missed a lot of opportunities because of not being ready (to tour, to record, whatever) when the time arises. It is five years since Road Salt Two, what happened in between? And Daniel's US embargo may be morally important to him but didn't make things easier for the band.

No, they're not big at all really, they have said multiple times that at least in Sweden they're really small. It's outside of Sweden they make most of their money. And all of them, except for Daniel and possibly Ragnar, have regular jobs when they're not touring.

[Cyclopssss]

Well even his own wife admits in the docu that Daniel is the ship's captain but isn't really fit to lead any ship, so...

[abydos]

Oh and remember when Daniel refused to tour the US for years because they would take his fingerprints? Yeah, that must have been a set of interesting conversations between the members.

[peepeetipi]

Oh and remember when Daniel refused to tour the US for years because they would take his fingerprints? Yeah, that must have been a set of interesting conversations between the members.

I have a feeling it was, as he said in the doc of their conversations, him talking followed by silence lol. "Alright, so it's agreed!"

Really feel for the guys, Simon included, considering everything. Not a big fan of the Road Salt albums, but regardless of what you think of how they sound the effort put in does show. As a fan of a genre that has hardly any exposure, it's both a treat and affecting to be able to follow the clearly frustrating journey of an underground prog band, especially one of my favorites, and especially at this later stage in their history. I'm most curious to see how Fredrik's departure played out.

[Pettor]

I love how Daniel always talk about the music being The Beatles and constantly reminding everyone that it's NOT progressive. Still they have songs that just screams progressive music (even if that genre is a bit vague). Thorn clown is progressive combined with some extra topping of progressive

[wolfking]

Finally got the remix and listening now.  I haven't listened to the original in quite a while so it's hard to compare, but this sounds nice.  Lots of atmosphere and still has the feel of the original.  Some songs seem to have been boosted a lot whereas some things are subtle in places.  The mix though itself is well done and breathes really well.

[seasonsinthesky]

Been on a 'late period POS' kick because of the Road Salt thread, and I've discovered that Scarsick doesn't suck NEARLY as much as I initially thought when it came out. By that point I had basically decided the band I loved since TPE1 died (the final death of?) and was replaced by aliens... but it was more like I hadn't developed taste for the areas they were trying out.

Particularly, I was shocked to learn of Scarsicker. This was only released in mp3 on their old webstore, right? Or so says MusicBrainz. Super interesting listen, though obviously the editing brutalizes way too much.

Scarsick highlights: Scarsick, Spitfall (5/5!), Cribcaged (5/5!), Disco Queen, Enter Rain

[ariich]

I always liked Scarsick, and my opinion hasn't changed. Still ranks bottom half for me, but a solid album with some great songs.

[Crow]

Scarsick songs are mostly either quite good or terrible, but I never want to listen to the album as a whole

[Nick]

I'm going to take this opportunity to listen to Scarsick, which may be their best album, thanks guys!

[pogoowner]

I'm going to take this opportunity to listen to Scarsick, which may be their best album, thanks guys!

This is pure silliness, but at least we agree that BE is terrible. 

[Crow]

BE is great 

[Zantera]

BE is by far their best album, it's not even close. (though TPE is still a strong contender)

[Nick]

BE is by far their best album

On opposite day.

[home]

BE is by far their best album

On opposite day.

Pff opposite day doesn't exist   

[ariich]

BE is by far their best album, it's not even close. (though TPE is still a strong contender)

I agree Be is their best, though I'd only put it slightly ahead of TPE.

[Scorpion]

HEY YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD REALLY DO BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE HOW ABOUT AN ALBUM RANKING

1. Remedy Lane
2. The Perfect Element
3. Entropia

4. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
5. Road Salt One / Road Salt Two

6. BE
7. Scarsick