Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)

[Zantera]

Beyond the Pale > The Perfect Element

Haha, you're funny. 

[Fran521]

Beyond the Pale > The Perfect Element

I agree

[ClairvoyantCat]

They're playing Enter Rain now too?  Daaaaaaaaamn, grl

[pain of occupation]

i wholeheartedly agree ( BTP > TPE)

definitely not laughable, zantera.

what WOULD be laughable is ranking enter rain above either of them.

[Zantera]

Well, Beyond the Pale is not bad by any means, but hasn't really clicked for me. The Perfect Element is a much better song as I see it, I would also take A Trace of Blood over Beyond the Pale if that says anything.

[faemir]

To be fair, both The Perfect Element and Enter Rain were amazing live, as was Physics of Gridlock

[petrucci07]

The Deeper Cut was fucking epic

[Zantera]

I must have The Perfect Element AND The Physics of Gridlock when I see them. Enter Rain would be cool too, but if I had to choose out of the 3 which I "could" miss, then I would say Enter Rain.

[Nihil-Morari]

I don't want to read this, I don't have the money to go see them

[ariich]

London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

[Zantera]

London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.

[Adami]

London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.

Based off of interviews with Daniel, it seems he has really come to dislike TPE as a whole album, which would explain why he virtually ignores it. I have nothing against the last two albums (despite it's lack of soul and horrible production) but it seems he honestly, truly and genuinely considers them superior to every previous album.

[jammindude]

Beyond the Pale > The Perfect Element

I agree

Me three.  Beyond the Pale is the perfect PoS song in my book.

[Nihil-Morari]

A Vampire's View is totally a great DG moment.

Maybe one of his best.

[ariich]

London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.

As with most bands, I would expect them to mostly play newer stuff. There was 1 song from each of Entropia and TPE, nothing from OHBTCL. The only slight disappointment was there being nothing at all from Be, but even then, I'm not really bothered. If every song is one I like, and that I enjoyed live, then as far as I'm concerned it's a great setlist.

[petrucci07]

Pretty sure they play Ashes at every show

[MirzekDT]

London show was fantastic, and the setlist was really excellent! Physics of Gridlock and Sisters as the encore was amazing.

But no Perfect Element! (according to setlist.fm)
Too bad it's not King of Loss instead of Kingdom of Loss. I have nothing against the latter, but King of Loss is one of my favorites, and without TPE in the set, it really lacks TPE-material. (One of their best albums) Sure it has Ashes, but that's one of the weaker songs on the album, and they have played it on almost every tour already. :/

The setlist from Belgium looks pretty sweet:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/spirit-of-66-verviers-belgium-3bde94c0.html

Replace Ashes with a song from BE and it would be even more awesome.

Based off of interviews with Daniel, it seems he has really come to dislike TPE as a whole album, which would explain why he virtually ignores it. I have nothing against the last two albums (despite it's lack of soul and horrible production) but it seems he honestly, truly and genuinely considers them superior to every previous album.

Are you fucking kidding me??? Lack of soul is probably the last possible argument to say that Road Salt albums are bad.  Horrible production that I can at least understand even though I think it has amazing production much much better than many modern albums. Maybe I just love Road Salt albums too much but saying it lacks soul just really bothers me.

[Zantera]

Based off of interviews with Daniel, it seems he has really come to dislike TPE as a whole album, which would explain why he virtually ignores it. I have nothing against the last two albums (despite it's lack of soul and horrible production) but it seems he honestly, truly and genuinely considers them superior to every previous album.

Any sources on that?
I'm not suggesting that you are wrong at all, just curious to read into it a bit more.

Rich @ Yeah, it's understandable that most songs are from the Road Salt albums, since they are the newest albums. My "problem" wasn't really that they had too few songs from the older albums, but rather the fact that "Ashes" has been played like crazy the last couple of years, and it could have been replaced with another song from the album. If they play the title-track AND Ashes however, then personally I would have loved to see it replaced by something from BE, just for some diversity. And if that wouldn't have worked live, then why not something from OHBTCL? Handful of Nothing, Home, Inside or New Years Eve would be cool. 

[petrucci07]

Their latest master setlist has Sisters, The Perfect Element (granted, not at EVERY show), The Deeper Cut and ENTER FUCKING RAIN and people are complaining?! Flipping heck

[Zantera]

Their latest master setlist has Sisters, The Perfect Element (granted, not at EVERY show), The Deeper Cut and ENTER FUCKING RAIN and people are complaining?! Flipping heck

But not The Physics of Gridlock? :/

[petrucci07]

Their latest master setlist has Sisters, The Perfect Element (granted, not at EVERY show), The Deeper Cut and ENTER FUCKING RAIN and people are complaining?! Flipping heck

But not The Physics of Gridlock? :/

That too.

[Zantera]

Then it's awesome sauce.

[pain of occupation]

A Vampire's View is totally a great DG moment.

Maybe one of his best.

fucking LOVE this song (would love to hear TFK or POS do a full album in that 'musical' type vibe).

...but if anyone's looking for something a bit more gildenlow-esque, look no further than Threnody for an Endling (featuring lyrics, vocal arrangements, and voice by the man himself) from Axamenta's album Ever-Arch-I-Tech-Ture
...SUCH a POS-esque song its ridiculous. it somehow sounds more like TPE than anything on TPE.

i actually have a harebrained theory on how the song (released in 06) changed the direction of POS .

[Nihil-Morari]

Checking it out right now. But youtube has two versions of it, a 5 minute and a 9 minute version. Which one is it?



EDIT: sounds really cool indeed. Guitar sounds are totally DG's, I mean, they must be. The backgrounds voc's too.
Okay, but the songs really bores me only 3 minutes in. Just a lack of composition from this Belgian (!) band, I guess.

Actually after the ending I take that back. The song is 'only' 5:30 long, and it has a great attention span for that.

Interesting listen, thanks!

[pain of occupation]

hrrmm. i wasnt aware of a 9 minute version. i better check it out.

a little surprised you initially found it boring part way thru or that they lacked compositional awesomeness (maybe it will really 'click' with a couple more spins). i've been crazy addicted to the song since finding it last summer. maybe it can partly be attributed to the fact its a fresh take (fresh for me) on a style of daniel's i haven't been newly exposed to in over a decade, but i really love everything about the song; the melodies and emotion are there, and i find the arrangement and dynamics nothing short of superb (and dat whistle!).
the album also features a short instrumental track that leads into Threnody; they go together quite nice.

i also found a song by an Israeli band called Ephrat that DG guested on in 08. not bad, though i never got super into it. its also mixed/mastered by hero of the forum, steven wilson.

and as much as i love both Threnody and A Vampire's View, i still think my ultimate DG guest appearance is Spastic Ink's "Melissa's Friend" (i think my wife considers it my theme song or something)...if there are any DG fans out there that are ALSO technical prog metal fans but have been living under a rock and HAVEN'T heard this song, go do so now!...just watch out, you might cream your pants. 

[Nihil-Morari]

I once listened to the Ephrat one, but it totally didn't click, and I was fully aware of the DG/SW combo on there.


Oh and Melissa's Friend is beyond awesome, actually that whole album is.


Actually both Spastic Ink albums are.



Actually both Ron Jarzombek's solo albums are awesome too.

[pain of occupation]

Morari, you gotz good taste.

there ought to be a jarzombek appreciation thread around these parts.

[Zantera]

Apparently they played Iter Impius on their last gig. 

[cyberdrummer]

Apparently they played Iter Impius on their last gig. 

Came here to post the exact same thing. Shame I've already seen them on this tour...

[petrucci07]

WHAT

[faemir]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Nick]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I too wish they were playing better songs.

[faemir]

To be fair, I had a killer setlist anyway.

[petrucci07]

To be fair, I had a killer setlist anyway.

Damn right we did

[Zantera]

The last setlist in Switzerland had a really epic setlist.
The Deeper Cut, Iter Impius, The Perfect Element, Enter Rain, The Physics of Gridlock and Sisters. (pointing out the more epic stuff)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2012/z7-konzertfabrik-pratteln-switzerland-13def541.html
That is almost spot on for what I would love to hear when I see them in 3 weeks.