Thrash Metal Discussion/ Appreciation

[TAC]

That's a killer song.   

[Samsara]

Oh, wow.  They had an earlier single that I somehow missed as well:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF2hIrXq2ss

Yeah, it's in the Testament thread I believe. This album is going to rock.

Christ, did I miss the Testament thread too? 

[The Walrus]

You guys. 

[bosk1]

Oh, wow.  They had an earlier single that I somehow missed as well:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF2hIrXq2ss

Yeah, it's in the Testament thread I believe. This album is going to rock.

Christ, did I miss the Testament thread too? 

Well, in fairness, they aren't discussed much here.  Even I forgot that there was a separate thread for them, and I've been a fan of them longer that probably almost anyone here.  ...except maybe TAC.  Because he's OLD.  And they are one of the 3 or 4 bands TAC listened to back in the '80s that weren't named MSG.

Oh, and:  DISCIPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Walrus]

I just used the search function but couldn't find a Testament thread. But I swear people were discussing NOTW here a while ago.

Am I coming down with dementia? Is this a Shazam/Kazaam moment?

[TAC]

Oh, wow.  They had an earlier single that I somehow missed as well:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF2hIrXq2ss

Yeah, it's in the Testament thread I believe. This album is going to rock.

Christ, did I miss the Testament thread too? 

Well, in fairness, they aren't discussed much here.  Even I forgot that there was a separate thread for them, and I've been a fan of them longer that probably almost anyone here.  ...except maybe TAC.  Because he's OLD.  And they are one of the 3 or 4 bands TAC listened to back in the '80s that weren't named MSG.

Oh, and:  DISCIPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guilty on all counts occifer.

[bl5150]

I reckon Testament were the first thrash band I got into.............around Practice What You Preach era.   Took me longer to get into Metallica as I was only just gradually getting into the heavier side back then and needed a red hot lead guitarist and Kirk didn't make the cut     So even back when I was 12 I was a guitar snob .

[TAC]

Wow for me, I was just the opposite. I could not get into Testament at all back in the day. I considered them a second rate Metallica. I found them and their sound so one dimensional.

Contrary to what Bosk said, I actually didn't get into Testament until much later. It wasn't until they released The Formation Of Damnation. This latter part of their career has been amazing.

[The Walrus]

Second rate Metallica! My, sir, now that is good humor, yes it is.  I totally agree though, it's stunning how good they've been since (and including) TFOD.

[TAC]

in 1989, they were indeed second rate Metallica. There's a reason Metallica is the standard bearer. It's because they were just better.

[wolfking]

I reckon Testament were the first thrash band I got into.............around Practice What You Preach era.   Took me longer to get into Metallica as I was only just gradually getting into the heavier side back then and needed a red hot lead guitarist and Kirk didn't make the cut     So even back when I was 12 I was a guitar snob .

Metallica was my first metal band.  Didn't know any different regarding Kirk so thought he was pretty good.  Then I basically discovered everyone else then quickly realised, 'actually, this guy is really shit.'

[The Walrus]

in 1989, they were indeed second rate Metallica. There's a reason Metallica is the standard bearer. It's because they were just better.

Oh I believe it was a common belief back then. It just makes me laugh. Metallica doesn't matter past RTL. Testament's discography is immeasurably better and more consistent

[TAC]

in 1989, they were indeed second rate Metallica. There's a reason Metallica is the standard bearer. It's because they were just better.

Oh I believe it was a common belief back then. It just makes me laugh. Metallica doesn't matter past RTL. Testament's discography is immeasurably better and more consistent

RTL? MOP, AJFA, and TBA would like to have a word with you.

The last dozen years of Testament has truly been amazing.

[wolfking]

Metallica doesn't matter past RTL.

Just an absurd statement right here.

[TAC]

Metallica doesn't matter past RTL.

Just an absurd statement right here.

Consider the source.

[The Walrus]

MoP is overrated (you got Battery, you got MOP, that's it), AJFA isn't that good (you got One, that's it), TBA is even worse (the radio hits aren't bad but they absolutely pale compared to RTL Metallica). RTL was their crowning achievement, they blew their load on it. And everything after TBA up until they wrote Spit Out The Bone is terrible.

[TAC]

MoP is overrated (you got Battery, you got MOP, that's it), AJFA isn't that good (you got One, that's it), TBA is even worse (the radio hits aren't bad but they absolutely pale compared to RTL Metallica). RTL was their crowning achievement, they blew their load on it. 

Cut your hair, poser.

[wolfking]

MoP is overrated (you got Battery, you got MOP, that's it), AJFA isn't that good (you got One, that's it), TBA is even worse (the radio hits aren't bad but they absolutely pale compared to RTL Metallica). RTL was their crowning achievement, they blew their load on it. And everything after TBA up until they wrote Spit Out The Bone is terrible.

Nah.

[The Walrus]

MoP is overrated (you got Battery, you got MOP, that's it), AJFA isn't that good (you got One, that's it), TBA is even worse (the radio hits aren't bad but they absolutely pale compared to RTL Metallica). RTL was their crowning achievement, they blew their load on it. 

Cut your hair, poser.

Come bring your scissors, punk! You're gonna walk over, but you're gonna limp back. 

[TAC]

[bosk1]

There's a reason Metallica is the standard bearer. It's because they were just better.

No, it's because they were just first.  Get your facts straight.

[TAC]

Maybe that's part of it. They were basically the face of thrash metal in the 80's but you have to remember that the rise Metallica was a slow burn. Sure, they had 3 albums before Testament released The Legacy, but those early Testament albums are really one dimensional to me, musicwise and vocally. I never considered Testament in Metallica's league, honestly.

Metallica's songwriting was so much better than your average thrash band. Hell, in some circles, Metallica stood so alone that they were even referred to as Alternative.

[bl5150]

Maybe that's part of it. They were basically the face of thrash metal in the 80's but you have to remember that the rise Metallica was a slow burn. Sure, they had 3 albums before Testament released The Legacy, but those early Testament albums are really one dimensional to me, musicwise and vocally. I never considered Testament in Metallica's league, honestly.

Metallica's songwriting was so much better than your average thrash band. Hell, in some circles, Metallica stood so alone that they were even referred to as Alternative.

I agree with that.  As I said I got into Testament at a time when thrash wasn't my thing at all and I got into them almost purely because I loved Skolnick's solos.........then I got into Megadeth because I loved Friedman's solos     If I look at the early Testament albums there was usually one or two killer tracks I focused on and plenty of filler whereas Metallica had much more consistent songwriting.   Once I did get into the heavier stuff more consistently then yeah............I rated Metallica higher as a band in spite of Kirk.

[wolfking]

Maybe that's part of it. They were basically the face of thrash metal in the 80's but you have to remember that the rise Metallica was a slow burn. Sure, they had 3 albums before Testament released The Legacy, but those early Testament albums are really one dimensional to me, musicwise and vocally. I never considered Testament in Metallica's league, honestly.

Metallica's songwriting was so much better than your average thrash band. Hell, in some circles, Metallica stood so alone that they were even referred to as Alternative.

I agree with that.  As I said I got into Testament at a time when thrash wasn't my thing at all and I got into them almost purely because I loved Skolnick's solos.........then I got into Megadeth because I loved Friedman's solos     If I look at the early Testament albums there was usually one or two killer tracks I focused on and plenty of filler whereas Metallica had much more consistent songwriting.   Once I did get into the heavier stuff more consistently then yeah............I rated Metallica higher as a band in spite of Kirk.

I'm pretty much on board with both of you here.

[RodrigoAltaf]

 My interview with Eric Peterson from Testament was published today. Hope you like it!!!!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7UJDtJs7e0&t=264s

[Grappler]

I can't stop listening to the new Testament - this is probably my favorite album since the Formation of Damnation.  The songs and riffs are huge!

[RodrigoAltaf]

I can't stop listening to the new Testament - this is probably my favorite album since the Formation of Damnation.  The songs and riffs are huge!

It's awesome indeed.

[ProfessorPeart]

I can't stop listening to the new Testament - this is probably my favorite album since the Formation of Damnation.  The songs and riffs are huge!

It's awesome indeed.

My copy is out for delivery. Just waiting for it to drop at my front door.

[wolfking]

One listen down and it's pretty good.  Love the black metal influence in Osiris.  The last track is a weird way to finish the album though.

Skolnick is such a beast.

[TAC]

I'm waiting for the Easter Bunny to bring me my Amazon money. I haven't heard it yet, but I'm definitely ordering it this weekend.

[the_silent_man]

I'm liking the album a lot. Very consistent, although there is nothing really new to be found. I would say that I feel like there are very few moments they go 'all out' though and it perhaps lacks stand out songs.
Still awesome but I'm not sure how memorable it's going to be in the long run. Also Catacombs is cool but very odd as a closer, feels like an intro track.

[Samsara]

Testament's record is kicking my ass. I'd agree with TSM that there's nothing "new" per se, but it's how they combined almost every element of their sound into one record that really has snapped my head to attention. It's the same feeling I got when listening to Fates Warning's Theories of Flight -- that record had nothing NEW in terms of style, but it culled from the band's entire discography and presented something fresh. That's how Testament's Titans of Creation is to me.

[RodrigoAltaf]

Dream Deceiver, from the new album, takes a cue from this song: https://youtu.be/Qd8uElHUKPE

[Volante99]

Maybe that's part of it. They were basically the face of thrash metal in the 80's but you have to remember that the rise Metallica was a slow burn. Sure, they had 3 albums before Testament released The Legacy, but those early Testament albums are really one dimensional to me, musicwise and vocally. I never considered Testament in Metallica's league, honestly.

Metallica's songwriting was so much better than your average thrash band. Hell, in some circles, Metallica stood so alone that they were even referred to as Alternative.

Metallica were to 80s Heavy Metal what the Beatles were to 60s Rock. Despite having some obvious influences they were easily 2-3 years ahead of the pack. So much so that they were in a league of their own. Not only did they do it first, they did it better.

[wolfking]

I'm liking the album a lot. Very consistent, although there is nothing really new to be found. I would say that I feel like there are very few moments they go 'all out' though and it perhaps lacks stand out songs.
Still awesome but I'm not sure how memorable it's going to be in the long run. Also Catacombs is cool but very odd as a closer, feels like an intro track.

I can see what you are saying here.  Only listened to it once so we'll see how it goes.