Do you believe in Jesus Christ?

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

Muslims do believe Jesus Christ but not the way Christians imagine.

Right on, I even believe it is written in the Quran discussing Jesus Christ and his ways of Christianity.

[flawlesslife]

Muslims do believe Jesus Christ but not the way Christians imagine.

Right on, I even believe it is written in the Quran discussing Jesus Christ and his ways of Christianity.

Yes it's all written. According to Quran; Jesus Christ is the one of biggest prophet with Muhammed and Moses but again some christians put Jesus Christ in a degree of God. (The Son of God) It's a sin for muslims. God is only one and there are anything in the universe can equal God's presence.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

Muslims do believe Jesus Christ but not the way Christians imagine.

Right on, I even believe it is written in the Quran discussing Jesus Christ and his ways of Christianity.

Yes it's all written. According to Quran; Jesus Christ is the one of biggest prophet with Muhammed and Moses but again some christians put Jesus Christ in a degree of God. (The Son of God) It's a sin for muslims. God is only one and there are anything in the universe can equal God's presence.

I agree entirely. I think it was a little too pretentious for Christians to equate a material man with that of a godly image. I find Islam to be a little more respectful in some ways because they do not create imagery of the Prophet Muhammad: which dictates, to me IMHO, a devotion to the message rather than to the person.

[flawlesslife]

Right. Muhammed can be a prophet of Islam but he is human like us. Nothing special about that. The special thing is that God gave him a mission like God did for Jesus Christ and Moses. As a muslim there is a rule that we have to respect all the prophets. So, of course Muhammed is in a different place in our hearts and minds.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

Right. Muhammed can be a prophet of Islam but he is human like us. Nothing special about that. The special thing is that God gave him a mission like God did for Jesus Christ and Moses. As a muslim there is a rule that we have to respect all the prophets. So, of course Muhammed is in a different place in our hearts and minds.

Indeed. I'm glad I can discuss this on a forum that understands the intricacies of Islam and Muslim attributes. I actually get frustrated when people who don't know or understand muslim beliefs and make fun of it. I took an elective class in college on Islam, and it was one of the best classes I took, hands down.

[flawlesslife]

Right. Muhammed can be a prophet of Islam but he is human like us. Nothing special about that. The special thing is that God gave him a mission like God did for Jesus Christ and Moses. As a muslim there is a rule that we have to respect all the prophets. So, of course Muhammed is in a different place in our hearts and minds.

Indeed. I'm glad I can discuss this on a forum that understands the intricacies of Islam and Muslim attributes. I actually get frustrated when people who don't know or understand muslim beliefs and make fun of it. I took an elective class in college on Islam, and it was one of the best classes I took, hands down.

I don't blame no one for this. Considering many terrorists are muslim it's such a shame. But there is a point that everybody doesn't see. There are also christian or jewish terrorist. I think it's not about religion or something like that. It's about their personality. They just use people's religion for their fatal mission.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

Right. Muhammed can be a prophet of Islam but he is human like us. Nothing special about that. The special thing is that God gave him a mission like God did for Jesus Christ and Moses. As a muslim there is a rule that we have to respect all the prophets. So, of course Muhammed is in a different place in our hearts and minds.

Indeed. I'm glad I can discuss this on a forum that understands the intricacies of Islam and Muslim attributes. I actually get frustrated when people who don't know or understand muslim beliefs and make fun of it. I took an elective class in college on Islam, and it was one of the best classes I took, hands down.

I don't blame no one for this. Considering many terrorists are muslim it's such a shame. But there is a point that everybody doesn't see. There are also christian or jewish terrorist. I think it's not about religion or something like that. It's about their personality. They just use people's religion for their fatal mission.

I did not know that about Christians or Jews. I always assumed because the Quran was the only religious text that focused on such matters that terrorists were drawn to it more than say the Bible or Torah. Is there an article or book that discusses this that you know of? If so, I'd love to read it.

Actually, wouldn't the Byzantine/Medieval era of Christianity be considered a global terrorist plot to convert everyone to Christian in post-Constantine transition?

[flawlesslife]

Right. Muhammed can be a prophet of Islam but he is human like us. Nothing special about that. The special thing is that God gave him a mission like God did for Jesus Christ and Moses. As a muslim there is a rule that we have to respect all the prophets. So, of course Muhammed is in a different place in our hearts and minds.

Indeed. I'm glad I can discuss this on a forum that understands the intricacies of Islam and Muslim attributes. I actually get frustrated when people who don't know or understand muslim beliefs and make fun of it. I took an elective class in college on Islam, and it was one of the best classes I took, hands down.

I don't blame no one for this. Considering many terrorists are muslim it's such a shame. But there is a point that everybody doesn't see. There are also christian or jewish terrorist. I think it's not about religion or something like that. It's about their personality. They just use people's religion for their fatal mission.

I did not know that about Christians or Jews. I always assumed because the Quran was the only religious text that focused on such matters that terrorists were drawn to it more than say the Bible or Torah. Is there an article or book that discusses this that you know of? If so, I'd love to read it.

Actually, wouldn't the Byzantine/Medieval era of Christianity be considered a global terrorist plot to convert everyone to Christian in post-Constantine transition?

Actually I don't  know so much article about that. The books or articles I read are just Turkish but maybe you can search on the net and can find something useful.

Byzantine did it but what about Pers and Ottoman porte. What they did is not terrorizm. Of course it's open to debate but considering the time, the facilities I think this is the way they should have. The old history is full of this events.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

This is true. Thanks for opening my eyes on the different events that occurred in the Christian faith. It's good to know the truth is still alive and well despite what others (the ones in charge) want us to know. 

By the way, I couldn't help but notice your references to Turkey. Are you from there? If so, what's it like this time of year?

[flawlesslife]

Yeap, I'm Turkish and I live in Istanbul. This time is summer for Turkey and so hot. Politically we are so complex right now. 

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

Groovy  I've always wanted to visit but never had the cash.

but before this becomes a thread on Turkey, I'll stop myself and let others join in on the Jesus discussion lol

[flawlesslife]

Groovy  I've always wanted to visit but never had the cash.

but before this becomes a thread on Turkey, I'll stop myself and let others join in on the Jesus discussion lol

You always welcome to Turkey, you can be my visitor. 

[Dr. SeaWolf]

I wish I could contribute, but I sadly know very little about Islam.  Your conversation has been quite interesting though, and I've actually learned a few things.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

Groovy  I've always wanted to visit but never had the cash.

but before this becomes a thread on Turkey, I'll stop myself and let others join in on the Jesus discussion lol

You always welcome to Turkey, you can be my visitor. 

Thank you kind sir, likewise if you ever come to America 

[flawlesslife]

Thank you kind sir, likewise if you ever come to America  

I've been two times but the next time I'll let you know.  

[El JoNNo]

So has there been more prophets or did it end with Muhammed?

[flawlesslife]

So has there been more prophets or did it end with Muhammed?

It ends with Muhammed. According to Quran, Bible (Original One) and Torah.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

This is true. I actually lookied up Surah 21: The Prophets to see if it there were any others, but I think i misinterpreted it.

[El JoNNo]

So has there been more prophets or did it end with Muhammed?

It ends with Muhammed. According to Quran, Bible (Original One) and Torah.

How could the Bible and Torah possibly say that it ends with Muhammed? Especially when it was written almost 600 years after the new testament.

[flawlesslife]

So has there been more prophets or did it end with Muhammed?

It ends with Muhammed. According to Quran, Bible (Original One) and Torah.

How could the Bible and Torah possibly say that it ends with Muhammed? Especially when it was written almost 600 years after the new testament.

The Bible says; a prophet named Muhammed will come and the religion named Islam is the last religion that every people has to believe. Of couse it's written in original Bible and now it's hard to find one. Likewise, Torah says the same. But how? It's a big mystery like everything happened many years ago. But in the Quran; Jesus Christ says his believers, Muhammed will come and bring the peace to the world.

Also the other mysterical thing is in the Quran that Jesus Christ wil come to the world again when the doom is about to happen and save the believers from Deccal. (Deccal will be killed by Jesus Christ) Jesus Christ is named Messiah.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

So has there been more prophets or did it end with Muhammed?

It ends with Muhammed. According to Quran, Bible (Original One) and Torah.

How could the Bible and Torah possibly say that it ends with Muhammed? Especially when it was written almost 600 years after the new testament.

The Bible says; a prophet named Muhammed will come and the religion named Islam is the last religion that every people has to believe. Of couse it's written in original Bible and now it's hard to find one. Likewise, Torah says the same. But how? It's a big mystery like everything happened many years ago. But in the Quran; Jesus Christ says his believers, Muhammed will come and bring the peace to the world.

Also the other mysterical thing is in the Quran that Jesus Christ wil come to the world again when the doom is about to happen and save the believers from Deccal. (Deccal will be killed by Jesus Christ) Jesus Christ is named Messiah.

Are you talking about a King James Bible Version? If so, do you know the passages?

[flawlesslife]

So has there been more prophets or did it end with Muhammed?

It ends with Muhammed. According to Quran, Bible (Original One) and Torah.

How could the Bible and Torah possibly say that it ends with Muhammed? Especially when it was written almost 600 years after the new testament.

The Bible says; a prophet named Muhammed will come and the religion named Islam is the last religion that every people has to believe. Of couse it's written in original Bible and now it's hard to find one. Likewise, Torah says the same. But how? It's a big mystery like everything happened many years ago. But in the Quran; Jesus Christ says his believers, Muhammed will come and bring the peace to the world.

Also the other mysterical thing is in the Quran that Jesus Christ wil come to the world again when the doom is about to happen and save the believers from Deccal. (Deccal will be killed by Jesus Christ) Jesus Christ is named Messiah.

Are you talking about a King James Bible Version? If so, do you know the passages?

I'm talking about the copy of firstly written in the time when Jesus Christ was alive. It keeps in the museum called Topkapı Sarayı with the Quran which is hand-writing. They are protecting so well. I do not believe any other bible because they changed so much and out of reality.

[Adami]

Hey Flawless life, not to critique your beliefs, but if you don't believe jesus is the son of god or the messiah, you shouldn't call him jesus christ, jesus is a bit more appropriate for that.

[flawlesslife]

Hey Flawless life, not to critique your beliefs, but if you don't believe jesus is the son of god or the messiah, you shouldn't call him jesus christ, jesus is a bit more appropriate for that.

I write like that because I respect the other who named like that. And in the Quran his name is Messiah.

[Adami]

Something seems off about that, but whatever works.

[rumborak]

I'm talking about the copy of firstly written in the time when Jesus Christ was alive. It keeps in the museum called Topkapı Sarayı with the Quran which is hand-writing. They are protecting so well. I do not believe any other bible because they changed so much and out of reality.

No offense, but I can not think of a single reason why such a pivotal document should be guarded and protected, given its propensity of clearly establishing Islam as the superior religion.
Well, other than the obvious reason that the protectors most likely realize it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. Meaning, they know it isn't authentic.

rumborak

[Adami]

Wait, I've known plenty of muslims and have studied Islam. But I have NEVER heard the ....theory.....that the torah declares muhammad as the last prophet or that jesus declared the same thing, but only a few muslims know this because they have the ORIGINAL hand written bible and quran in a secret museum somewhere that is so well gaurded that no one could possibly examine it.


Really?

[flawlesslife]

Two times some people (who were they and what was their mission that we still don't know) tried to destroy and steal the Bible and Quran. So they are protected and also they have historcial value.

I am not so sure but of course some professors and historians could check the Bible and established some articles about that.

[Adami]

And do you have............proof of this?

[flawlesslife]

And do you have............proof of this?

Proof for what? You have google and you can search for some articles and religion writings.(Most likely there is nothing you can find so trustworthy) Or the best way is coming to Turkey.

[Adami]

And do you have............proof of this?

Proof for what? You have google and you can search for some articles and religion writings.(Most likely there is nothing you can find so trustworthy) Or the best way is coming to Turkey.

You can't really come into a board filled with devout christians and devout atheists, and some agnsotics like me, and claim that you have one true bible and one true quran in Turkey, yet offer no evidence in the slightest bit other than "come to turkey". It would be like me saying that in Israel, they have a hand written note by Muhhamad saying that it was all just a joke, lol. You know?

[rumborak]

I googled it, and the page stated that the Topkapi manuscript was written in late 700's/early 800's, since it's written in Kufic script.

Sounds reasonable.

rumborak

[flawlesslife]

Considering I am not here to convince anybody, I just write what I knew. But the original Bible and hand-writing keeps in museum but how can I proove that, taking photos of them? lol. If you can search on the net you'll see. I don't know but hopefully some copy of original Bible keeps in England and Vatican in a museum.

[rumborak]

You said only the Topkapi manusscript has it. I'm pretty sure a lot of Bible-savvy people in this forum can assure you that in the general copies of the Bible there is no mention of Muhammed. And the Topkapi Bible was written after Muhammed.

rumborak

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

You said only the Topkapi manusscript has it. I'm pretty sure a lot of Bible-savvy people in this forum can assure you that in the general copies of the Bible there is no mention of Muhammed. And the Topkapi Bible was written after Muhammed.

rumborak

True, but flawlesslife did mention it was in a rough draft version before the King James Bible was finalized. They prolly edited it out to forego the correlation between Chrisitanity and Islam.

I'm talking about the copy of firstly written in the time when Jesus Christ was alive. It keeps in the museum called Topkapı Sarayı with the Quran which is hand-writing. They are protecting so well. I do not believe any other bible because they changed so much and out of reality.