Porcupine Tree Thread v. generic heaviness and boring ambiance

[Nick]

So... How about "Trains"?

Revolutionary, not only for PT, but for music.

[Sigz]

So... How about "Trains"?

Revolutionary, not only for PT, but for music.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

So... How about "Trains"?

Revolutionary, not only for PT, but for music.

It really is the quintessential, ultimate, unique PT song.

[skydivingninja]

I had a post all typed up.  I could have sworn I hit "post."  Was it deleted or am I just crazy?

[Sigz]

I think you're just crazy.

[skydivingninja]

Okay then.  My basic points were (since I don't feel like wording everything again):

-Trains wasn't played for a majority of both the FOABP and Coheed tours.  Blackest Eyes is played more live.
-I agree that Trains does not represent all of Porcupine Tree, but it is a unique song on In Absentia.
-I was not suggesting you (Darkes) were incapable of liking simpler songs.  Breaking new musical ground doesn't equal technicality.

I called you an elitist because, let's take your love of Porcelain Heart as an example.  You were very passionate about that song and how upset you were that it was voted off first.  That's totally fine.  You crossed the line when you started accusing everyone else of not liking it because it wasn't prog or metal enough, and that only you saw the beauty in it and the rest of us were just sheep.  That's the same sort of haughty attitude you're carrying yourself with in this last post, likening our enjoyment of "Trains" to that of an "insane cult."  I would consider that to be an elitist attitude: the sense that you feel you're somehow better than everyone else.  Its the way you word things I have a problem with.

If you're annoyed at a song getting so much praise that you don't feel it deserves, you can stay the hell out of the discussion, like Ytse, Bosk, and TAC have done with the PT thread as of late (wasn't always this way but they've drastically improved in this regard).  Or you can say "My stance on this is well known and I won't say any more" and actually not say any more.  Its what I do whenever I see people gushing about Pain of Salvation.

If I come back in an hour and this post isn't here I'll be committing myself to an institution.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

I still think Trains is better live. One of the best songs ever performed live.

[orcus116]

Disagreed. There's something lacking about it all the times I've heard it live.

[KevShmev]

Don't waste your time, sdn.

Mr. Know-it-all-and-don't-bother-discussing has spoken. Or maybe I shouldn't say anything against you because last time when I did so I got banned.

If you got banned, that is your problem, not mine.  If you think I have any influence over the mods, you need to get a grip.  

As for discussing, I LOVE discussing things, as anyone who knows me will tell you.  Just not with you most of the time.  And your bitching about "Trains"' popularity is sooooo old, which is why I advised sdn (whose most recent post is right on the money) to not even waste his time.  The sooner the forum as a whole doesn't respond to your inane rantings about "Trains," the less threads like this one get derailed talking about the same thing for the 835th time.  

If you don't like "Trains" that much and/or think it is overrated, super.  Good for you.  But what purpose does going on long-winded rants about it on a regular basis serve?  Are you worried that maybe there might be two or three new DTF members who don't know how overrated you think the song is, so you beat the dead horse yet again, just so no one doesn't know what you think? 

Disagreed. There's something lacking about it all the times I've heard it live.

Agreed.  I like it live, but I don't think it touches the studio version.

[Nick]

Good Kev, keep it well hidden that the mods are mere puppets for your control, we can't let them know the truth.

Edit: Wait, this wasn't a PM?

[Zantera]

If you got banned, that is your problem, not mine.  If you think I have any influence over the mods, you need to get a grip.  

For some reason, this gave me a vision of Kev doing like a puppet-show with the mods, saying: "DANCE MY MODERATORS, DANCE LIKE PUPPETS!" 

[Sigz]

srsly guys

[ZBomber]

I still think Trains is better live. One of the best songs ever performed live.

I actually prefer the studio version over anything. I think it is just perfect.

Also, srsly.

[Zantera]

Darkes is one of the few people that can actually say negative things about bands he love, particular PT, which has some sort of "GOD"-status on this forum.
Sadly he doesn't like Mellotron Scratch though, so that kinda drags him down a bit. 

[glaurung]

Darkes is one of the few people that can actually say negative things about bands he love, particular PT, which has some sort of "GOD"-status on this forum.
Sadly he doesn't like Mellotron Scratch though, so that kinda drags him down a bit. 

There are very few people here who can't say something negative about the band.

[ZBomber]

Darkes is one of the few people that can actually say negative things about bands he love, particular PT, which has some sort of "GOD"-status on this forum.
Sadly he doesn't like Mellotron Scratch though, so that kinda drags him down a bit. 

There are very few people here who can't say something negative about the band.

Yeah, I really don't think the problem is saying something negative about PT, its about CONSTANTLY raising the same issue over and over. How many times have we had the Darkes vs Trains argument in these threads? 

[Marvellous G]

Good Kev, keep it well hidden that the mods are mere puppets for your control, we can't let them know the truth.

Edit: Wait, this wasn't a PM?

I trololol'd.

In an attempt to hopefully GET OFF THE TOPIC OF the magnificent TRAINS: The Incident Disc 2 is not as good as Disc 1, but I see people saying the opposite all the time. Half of the four tracks don't really have much staying power, and out of the other two I hate Remember Me Lover anyway.

[Zantera]

I'd say i like disc 2 more.
Even though i really like the song-cycle, i sometimes feel like during the 50 minutes, the only variety you get is meshuggah-heavy or Stupid Dream-soft.
It's also frustrating because i can't listen to any of the songs on disc 1 outside of the song-cycle, because i feel like the songs before and after makes the song better.
Anyhow both cds are good.

[ZBomber]

The Incident is a weird one. I was meh towards it at first, but then there was a phase where I absolutely loved it.

I'm kinda back in the "meh" phase now. I like it still, but it doesn't do for me what it used to. I can't really find any fault in it, I just don't think it lives up to the other PT albums. I'd probably give it an 8/10. Disc 2 is good, but its not really a cohesive album. Remember Me Lover is also good, but might drag on a little too long at points.

[Marvellous G]

I'd say i like disc 2 more.
Even though i really like the song-cycle, i sometimes feel like during the 50 minutes, the only variety you get is meshuggah-heavy or Stupid Dream-soft.
It's also frustrating because i can't listen to any of the songs on disc 1 outside of the song-cycle, because i feel like the songs before and after makes the song better.
Anyhow both cds are good.

That's actually something I hadn't considered, I suppose I've never listened to Disc 1 except as a whole which might be why people prefer Disc 2, it is almost a relief to be able to listen to just 5 minutes of new PT instead of 50. And true, Disc 1 doesn't have much variety. I just think that if you look at Disc 1 and Disc 2 and compare the strongest/weakest tracks, then Disc 1 wins, but I suppose the whole point of PT is NOT to focus on individual tracks, so fair enough.

[Zantera]

That's how i see it at least.
Now when PT wont perform the song-cycle again, this album will easily be forgotten about.
Sure they can play Time Flies or something, but i don't think it would work as well being a stand-alone track.
The only song from The Incident i would love to hear live again would be "I Drive the Hearse", also "Flicker" from cd2, mostly because that's my favorite.

As for the next PT-album, i'm interesting to see if they will go in a completely new direction, or just taking the whole Incident-concept some steps further.
I really hope they won't have the whole "meshuggah-heavy vs soft", because the PT-songs with the really heavy guitars are easily amongst their worst songs (apart from the title-track and circle of manias+i drive the hearse combo).
I really dig the electronic influences on Sleep Together and The Incident (the title-track), the strings in the first is also something i would love to see PT use again.

[MirzekDT]

That's how i see it at least.
Now when PT wont perform the song-cycle again, this album will easily be forgotten about.
Sure they can play Time Flies or something, but i don't think it would work as well being a stand-alone track.
The only song from The Incident i would love to hear live again would be "I Drive the Hearse", also "Flicker" from cd2, mostly because that's my favorite.

As for the next PT-album, i'm interesting to see if they will go in a completely new direction, or just taking the whole Incident-concept some steps further.
I really hope they won't have the whole "meshuggah-heavy vs soft", because the PT-songs with the really heavy guitars are easily amongst their worst songs (apart from the title-track and circle of manias+i drive the hearse combo).
I really dig the electronic influences on Sleep Together and The Incident (the title-track), the strings in the first is also something i would love to see PT use again.

If they would do whole album in a vein of Sleep Together and The Incident it would be awesome and it would probably end up as my favorite PT album I love that side of PT so much

[Marvellous G]

I'd love that too but for some reason I don't see PT going that way, I think we'll get a LOT more ambient influences on the new album based on what SW is listening to on his website and stuff. I'm not actually as excited about the next PT album as I am the next Opeth album, despite the fact that I vastly prefer PT. I'm really not sure where they can go from here.

[King Postwhore]

What I love about PT is that we don't know from CD to CD where they will go musically.  That's what I love about them.  Not many bands get to play what they want like PT.

[ZBomber]

Fact: Sleep Together 5.1 = God Tier.

I still find the stereo version pretty boring, but the surround sound mix just... blows me away every time.

[Pirate]

Does everyone 'round here pronounce it "Darks"? I always thought it was "Darkest" like 1337 speak.


On topic: I've decided Anesthetize is my favourite PT song. I've never tired of it, unlike the other two main contenders, Dark(es7) Matter and ASBNH. Although I like those for other reasons 

[Silver Tears]

I pronounce it Dark-es...

I don't think I could pick a favourite PT song, all I know is Mellatron Scratch or Drown With Me would be well up there, and Trains is friggin' awesome.

[AcidLameLTE]

I always assumed it was darkest.

[jag66]

Does everyone 'round here pronounce it "Darks"? I always thought it was "Darkest" like 1337 speak.


On topic: I've decided Anesthetize is my favourite PT song. I've never tired of it, unlike the other two main contenders, Dark(es7) Matter and ASBNH. Although I like those for other reasons 

The other 2 main contenders would like a word with you 

[jag66]

Btw anyone fancy doing a PT survivor? It's been around a year since the last..

[skydivingninja]

I think Zantera did it last year, so it would simply be a matter of waiting on him.

[Ravenheart]

All you Trains conformists make me sick.

[jonny108]

  Trains 

[KevShmev]

I think Zantera did it last year, so it would simply be a matter of waiting on him.

Well, anyone can do it, ya know.

Personally, when doing The Incident, I'd like to see the first disc broken into sections instead of listing all 14 songs individually.  I think it would be more interesting and less predictable that way.

[KevShmev]

And on that note, I've got it going over in P/S now.