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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2010, 06:46:23 PM »
you need to pick what should be illegal and what should not. 

The line is when it's directly harming someone else or infringing on their rights, simple as that.


How do you make that distinction?  What about sex dolls that look like children.  Where is the line?  I think community standards plus the reasonable persons and all the other parts of the miller test give a solid background for what we can accept.

The question isn't about what's socially acceptable, it's about what is reasonable grounds to convict someone and put them in jail; by your logic a pillow with a fleshlight and picture of Miley Cyrus taped to it is grounds for conviction.


Just cause I watch porn, does not make me want to forget about having sex with a real girl.  I bet every other person in this forum who looks at porn will say the same thing.  They'd rather have the real thing than porn.

Not terribly related, but I wouldn't. Sex is rather uninteresting and baggage-filled, porn is not.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2010, 07:42:53 PM »
you need to pick what should be illegal and what should not. 

The line is when it's directly harming someone else or infringing on their rights, simple as that.


How do you make that distinction?  What about sex dolls that look like children.  Where is the line?  I think community standards plus the reasonable persons and all the other parts of the miller test give a solid background for what we can accept.

The question isn't about what's socially acceptable, it's about what is reasonable grounds to convict someone and put them in jail; by your logic a pillow with a fleshlight and picture of Miley Cyrus taped to it is grounds for conviction.


Just cause I watch porn, does not make me want to forget about having sex with a real girl.  I bet every other person in this forum who looks at porn will say the same thing.  They'd rather have the real thing than porn.

Not terribly related, but I wouldn't. Sex is rather uninteresting and baggage-filled, porn is not.

It's the fact of promotion of a certain way of thinking.  My logic is solid.  All kinds of child porn should be looked down upon.  You can never stop someone from creating their own porn.  anyone can draw child porn, or tape miley cyrus's face to a sex toy, but does that make it right?  And it certainly should not be promoted or made available to people.  The law has to be about common sense.  Don't take a valid argument and then throw some misnomer in there like it is a valid rebuttal.  The whole point, is that the laws are necessary to deter a way of thinking.  To establish that it is unacceptable and undesirable.

Kids get a hold of this stuff, and we don't want kids growing up thinking underage porn is a good or welcome thing. 

My views on obscenity personally don't coincide with the way things are done now, and I consider myself to be a reasonable person.  I agree that the laws should, in a perfect world, only apply to where rights are getting infringed upon and hope society is responsible enough to hold that kind of responsibility.  However, I don't necessarily disagree with the way things are being done right now because I can see no real alternative at the moment.  These kind of things are always on a case by case basis.  Because so much of the population enjoys porn, they can't make it a crime to seek it out and look at it because a huge percentage of the population will be breaking the law if a new law were to come into effect banning it.

There is a big difference between porn which is indecency and obscenity.  The problem is, the government isn't sure that there is yet. 
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #72 on: August 09, 2010, 07:46:09 PM »
It doesn't matter what people think about. It matters what people do. I don't care if anyone thinks about raping a 3 year old, because most people think about murder and no one cares. I do, however, care if someone DOES rape a 3 year old, just as I care if a person commits murder.


And also, the law isn't there to make all bad things illegal, or else almost everything people do in general would be illegal.


If someone is very angry, and lets it out by putting pictures of celebrities faces on fake bodies and shooting them and so forth, should that be illegal too?
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2010, 07:49:58 PM »
It doesn't matter what people think about. It matters what people do. I don't care if anyone thinks about raping a 3 year old, because most people think about murder and no one cares. I do, however, care if someone DOES rape a 3 year old, just as I care if a person commits murder.


And also, the law isn't there to make all bad things illegal, or else almost everything people do in general would be illegal.


If someone is very angry, and lets it out by putting pictures of celebrities faces on fake bodies and shooting them and so forth, should that be illegal too?

Like I said 4 times before, its about promotion of an idea that should not be acceptable to people.  The material should not be able to be obtained by anyone in a perfect world.  Will it?  Yes.  Should it?  No.  And I am for a law making it as hard as possible for people not to obtain this kind of material.  It promotes the idea of having sex with a child.  I don't want to live in a society that accepts this.  It is morally wrong no matter how you look at it.

The way people think does matter, also.  Actions start in the mind.  The idea has to come from somewhere.  So the less ideas people get about child porn being OK, the better.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2010, 07:51:39 PM »
So you ignore my counter points and just repeat.

"THIS IS BAD!!! WE HAVE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING THIS!!!!!!!"

People said the exact same thing about porn in general and it ruined a lot of peoples lives. You know what happened? A paradigm shift. Porn is no longer seen as the horrible thing that turns our children into drug addicts who kill people and get aids.



What about other ideas you deem bad? Should we outlaw letting people think those too? What about Nazis? What about communists?

Should we outlaw Mein Kamph? Should we punish people for having racist thoughts? Should we punish them for thinking things you personally don't like?


Oh yea, I forgot. Murder isn't a big deal. Sex is evil.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2010, 07:54:28 PM »
The way people think does matter, also.  Actions start in the mind.  The idea has to come from somewhere

So why are violent video games and movies ok?

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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2010, 07:54:48 PM »
I'm totally against drawn porn of any small children, or any porn involving small children- written, drawn, real, whatever. It's all bad.

But I feel bad for the poor guys who go to jail for looking at drawn 16 year old japanese cartoon school-girls get banged by tentacles. How does one explain that to family?

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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2010, 07:57:26 PM »
I'm totally against drawn porn of any small children, or any porn involving small children- written, drawn, real, whatever. It's all bad.

But I feel bad for the poor guys who go to jail for looking at drawn 16 year old japanese cartoon school-girls get banged by tentacles. How does one explain that to family?

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I think the line needs to be redrawn in this case. If someone is thinking about a post pubecent girl, it's quite different than wanting to have sex with a 6 year old. Yet according to the law, no difference really. That lacks any logic in the slightest bit. I don't think people should go to jail for wanting to sleep with a 7 year old, but those people should probably have some therapy. Only because that way of thinking is soooo shunned upon and is probably brought on by something else.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2010, 07:57:30 PM »
So you ignore my counter points and just repeat.

"THIS IS BAD!!! WE HAVE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING THIS!!!!!!!"

People said the exact same thing about porn in general and it ruined a lot of peoples lives. You know what happened? A paradigm shift. Porn is no longer seen as the horrible thing that turns our children into drug addicts who kill people and get aids.

Your argument was that thinking something is harmless compared to doing.  So therefore you defend the fact that people should have access to child porn as long as no child is actually in it.  If you read my argument you will see that is exactly what I am talking about.  And it directly correlates with what you are trying to defend.  My thoughts are well constructed as well, so typing in all caps like I'm sitting here just spouting BS is utter crap.  

You can't stop people from thinking, but you can stop those ideas from getting to other people.  How the hell could you possibly defend child pornography and the spreading of those ideas?  I'm all for freedom of speech, but child pornography is not speech that should ever be protected under the US constitution.  The difference in porn destroying people's lives is that it's adults in the films making the decision to be in them.  Not children getting raped.  Porn = Indecency = protected speech.  Child porn = obscenity = not protected speech.  Welcome to America, where in this case we are doing something right.

BTW hate speech isn't protected either.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #79 on: August 09, 2010, 07:59:10 PM »
Then what about murder? Why can people think about that and transfer those thoughts?

What about rape? Theft? Genocide? Mass desctrution? Anybody can make a cartoon, movie or a book promoting those beliefs and it seems you're fine with that.

Are you?
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2010, 08:05:29 PM »
You cannot write books promoting genocide in the United States and get away with it.  Maybe you should know the laws regarding freedom of speech in the US before arguing.  Hate speech is not protected by the 1st amendment.

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about games like Grand theft auto where it's just going around slaughtering innocent people.  

The difference is, there are whole underground rings of people distributing and making child porn.  I don't think there are many people running around and gunning down random people on the street.  Yes there are murders all over the place, but not like it is depicted in said video game.  No one besides serial killers go around killing for fun.  

There are much more people into child porn than people who want to go murder people for fun.  And the fact is, people into child porn are getting off on the raping and taking of innocence from children who don't even have a choice in the matter.  They are manipulated into doing acts with older people.  It's despicable.  As is murder.  But they are not one in the same act.  However I am for making the two equal weights as far as punishment goes.  And, they should both be stricter.

EDIT:  Child porn comes from the taking of innocence from a child.  Murder does not come from Video games.  Video games don't satiate people's want to murder other people.  Child porn satiates someone's want to have sex with a small child.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2010, 08:07:51 PM »
You cannot write books promoting genocide in the United States and get away with it.  Maybe you should know the laws regarding freedom of speech in the US before arguing.  Hate speech is not protected by the 1st amendment.

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about games like Grand theft auto where it's just going around slaughtering innocent people. 

The difference is, there are whole underground rings of people distributing and making child porn.  I don't think there are many people running around and gunning down random people on the street.  Yes there are murders all over the place, but not like it is depicted in said video game.  No one besides serial killers go around killing for fun. 

There are much more people into child porn than people who want to go murder people for fun.  And the fact is, people into child porn are getting off on the raping and taking of innocence from children who don't even have a choice in the matter.  They are manipulated into doing acts with older people.  It's despicable.  As is murder.  But they are not one in the same act.  However I am for making the two equal weights as far as punishment goes.  And, they should both be stricter.

There are lots of movies about murder. Maybe not genocide, but tons of movies are about killing people as if they meant nothing. And yes there have been plenty of murders in similar fashions. Should all movies be G rated disney movies?

In the end, you can't control peoples thoughts. People have to have the freedom to think whatever they want. This isn't 1984.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2010, 08:10:34 PM »
I'm totally against drawn porn of any small children, or any porn involving small children- written, drawn, real, whatever. It's all bad.

But I feel bad for the poor guys who go to jail for looking at drawn 16 year old japanese cartoon school-girls get banged by tentacles. How does one explain that to family?

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I think the line needs to be redrawn in this case. If someone is thinking about a post pubecent girl, it's quite different than wanting to have sex with a 6 year old. Yet according to the law, no difference really. That lacks any logic in the slightest bit. I don't think people should go to jail for wanting to sleep with a 7 year old, but those people should probably have some therapy. Only because that way of thinking is soooo shunned upon and is probably brought on by something else.

The line is all fucked up. There are plenty of underaged girls who are fully developed. Likewise, there's plenty of girls who are well above age who look underaged. My girlfriend of 5 years still looks exactly like how she did when I met her when she was 15. She hasn't gained a pound or grown an inch since I've known her.

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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2010, 08:11:14 PM »
You cannot write books promoting genocide in the United States and get away with it.  Maybe you should know the laws regarding freedom of speech in the US before arguing.  Hate speech is not protected by the 1st amendment.

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about games like Grand theft auto where it's just going around slaughtering innocent people. 

The difference is, there are whole underground rings of people distributing and making child porn.  I don't think there are many people running around and gunning down random people on the street.  Yes there are murders all over the place, but not like it is depicted in said video game.  No one besides serial killers go around killing for fun. 

There are much more people into child porn than people who want to go murder people for fun.  And the fact is, people into child porn are getting off on the raping and taking of innocence from children who don't even have a choice in the matter.  They are manipulated into doing acts with older people.  It's despicable.  As is murder.  But they are not one in the same act.  However I am for making the two equal weights as far as punishment goes.  And, they should both be stricter.

There are lots of movies about murder. Maybe not genocide, but tons of movies are about killing people as if they meant nothing. And yes there have been plenty of murders in similar fashions. Should all movies be G rated disney movies?

In the end, you can't control peoples thoughts. People have to have the freedom to think whatever they want. This isn't 1984.

Adami, please pay attention to my argument, and stop dumbing it down.  I'm not talking about mind control.  I'm talking about closing the channels so child porn cannot be distributed to the masses.  

The difference in movies is that its FAKE.  Child porn is REAL.  There are real children getting abused.  There is a difference.  How can you not see the difference there?
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2010, 08:12:25 PM »
I'm totally against drawn porn of any small children, or any porn involving small children- written, drawn, real, whatever. It's all bad.

But I feel bad for the poor guys who go to jail for looking at drawn 16 year old japanese cartoon school-girls get banged by tentacles. How does one explain that to family?

 :hat

I think the line needs to be redrawn in this case. If someone is thinking about a post pubecent girl, it's quite different than wanting to have sex with a 6 year old. Yet according to the law, no difference really. That lacks any logic in the slightest bit. I don't think people should go to jail for wanting to sleep with a 7 year old, but those people should probably have some therapy. Only because that way of thinking is soooo shunned upon and is probably brought on by something else.

The line is all fucked up. There are plenty of underaged girls who are fully developed. Likewise, there's plenty of girls who are well above age who look underaged. My girlfriend of 5 years still looks exactly like how she did when I met her when she was 15. She hasn't gained a pound or grown an inch since I've known her.

Which is why I stick to my theory that we should let nature set the line. Puberty. Before is bad, after is not as bad. With obvious special circumstances.
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« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2010, 08:13:16 PM »
You cannot write books promoting genocide in the United States and get away with it.  Maybe you should know the laws regarding freedom of speech in the US before arguing.  Hate speech is not protected by the 1st amendment.

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about games like Grand theft auto where it's just going around slaughtering innocent people. 

The difference is, there are whole underground rings of people distributing and making child porn.  I don't think there are many people running around and gunning down random people on the street.  Yes there are murders all over the place, but not like it is depicted in said video game.  No one besides serial killers go around killing for fun. 

There are much more people into child porn than people who want to go murder people for fun.  And the fact is, people into child porn are getting off on the raping and taking of innocence from children who don't even have a choice in the matter.  They are manipulated into doing acts with older people.  It's despicable.  As is murder.  But they are not one in the same act.  However I am for making the two equal weights as far as punishment goes.  And, they should both be stricter.

There are lots of movies about murder. Maybe not genocide, but tons of movies are about killing people as if they meant nothing. And yes there have been plenty of murders in similar fashions. Should all movies be G rated disney movies?

In the end, you can't control peoples thoughts. People have to have the freedom to think whatever they want. This isn't 1984.

Adami, please pay attention to my argument, and stop dumbing it down.  I'm not talking about mind control.  I'm talking about closing the channels so child porn cannot be distributed to the masses.  

The difference in movies is that its FAKE.  Child porn is REAL.  There are real children getting abused.  There is a difference.  How can you not see the difference there?

Because we're not talking about child porn. We're talking about simulated child porn, just like simulated murder. Do I think pictures of 7 year olds naked should be legal? No. But a drawing? Why the hell not?
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2010, 08:13:50 PM »
I'm totally against drawn porn of any small children, or any porn involving small children- written, drawn, real, whatever. It's all bad.

But I feel bad for the poor guys who go to jail for looking at drawn 16 year old japanese cartoon school-girls get banged by tentacles. How does one explain that to family?

 :hat

I think the line needs to be redrawn in this case. If someone is thinking about a post pubecent girl, it's quite different than wanting to have sex with a 6 year old. Yet according to the law, no difference really. That lacks any logic in the slightest bit. I don't think people should go to jail for wanting to sleep with a 7 year old, but those people should probably have some therapy. Only because that way of thinking is soooo shunned upon and is probably brought on by something else.

The line is all fucked up. There are plenty of underaged girls who are fully developed. Likewise, there's plenty of girls who are well above age who look underaged. My girlfriend of 5 years still looks exactly like how she did when I met her when she was 15. She hasn't gained a pound or grown an inch since I've known her.

It has nothing to do with looks.  It's about a child being able to choose.  Being mature enough.  The law says 18 is the line.  That is the fucking line as far as America is concerned.  We raise our kids to expect to be independent by that age, so that is why it is there.  If the age for adulthood changed, the way people would be raised would change and maybe kids would be more mature by 16.  But in America, kids have until 18 to be just kids.  And you know what, I'm perfectly ok with that.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2010, 08:15:16 PM »
I'm totally against drawn porn of any small children, or any porn involving small children- written, drawn, real, whatever. It's all bad.

But I feel bad for the poor guys who go to jail for looking at drawn 16 year old japanese cartoon school-girls get banged by tentacles. How does one explain that to family?

 :hat

I think the line needs to be redrawn in this case. If someone is thinking about a post pubecent girl, it's quite different than wanting to have sex with a 6 year old. Yet according to the law, no difference really. That lacks any logic in the slightest bit. I don't think people should go to jail for wanting to sleep with a 7 year old, but those people should probably have some therapy. Only because that way of thinking is soooo shunned upon and is probably brought on by something else.

The line is all fucked up. There are plenty of underaged girls who are fully developed. Likewise, there's plenty of girls who are well above age who look underaged. My girlfriend of 5 years still looks exactly like how she did when I met her when she was 15. She hasn't gained a pound or grown an inch since I've known her.

Which is why I stick to my theory that we should let nature set the line. Puberty. Before is bad, after is not as bad. With obvious special circumstances.

This makes the line even blurier?  How do you define puberty?  How do you know when its started or when its over?  Puberty isn't a line.  It's a huge grey area.  Kids can be going through puberty for years.  What the heck logic is that you just suggested?  Are you even thinking this stuff over in your head?
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« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2010, 08:16:43 PM »
Puberty is pretty simple to define dude. If you aren't familiar with it, I suggest you read up on it.
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« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2010, 08:17:28 PM »
Puberty is pretty simple to define dude. If you aren't familiar with it, I suggest you read up on it.

The most ignorant comment I think I have ever read.
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« Reply #90 on: August 09, 2010, 08:21:10 PM »
Fair enough.

So far you have ignored my points, changed your argument when I asked you to re-read my points, ignored the fact that I pointed out that you changed your argument, and claimed that puberty is undefinable and that thoughts should be outlawd.

With that in mind, I am fine with you thinking I'm ignorant or whatever else you have called me in this thread.

It's clear you're going to stick to your ultra conservative values and have no desire to be challenged, so I'm out. You win, all girls under 18 are horrible think about. I should go to jail for thinking Miley Cyrus is hot. Have a lovely day.
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« Reply #91 on: August 09, 2010, 08:21:51 PM »
Puberty is pretty simple to define dude. If you aren't familiar with it, I suggest you read up on it.

The most ignorant comment I think I have ever read.

Coming from the guy comparing a child being coerced and raped while the act is filmed and sold for profit to a drawn picture.

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« Reply #92 on: August 09, 2010, 08:23:32 PM »
And another thing is that people who go to see a movie with murder, are not going to see it just for the murder.  You can't argue that people who go films with murder in them want to out and murder people just to fill a desire.  Well in child porn, or simulated, its a person who is sexually attracted to children getting off on children.  And the people who seek that shit out, want to have sex with a child.  Read up on it.  These people have to live in restraint there whole lives.  Some can restrain, and obviously others can't.  This is not how murder works in our society.  Murder's are 99/100 times out of circumstances that lead up to a murder.

The two are different.
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« Reply #93 on: August 09, 2010, 08:26:22 PM »
And another thing is that people who go to see a movie with murder, are not going to see it just for the murder.

So should someone who looks up a snuff film be locked up?

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« Reply #94 on: August 09, 2010, 08:29:25 PM »
Puberty is pretty simple to define dude. If you aren't familiar with it, I suggest you read up on it.

The most ignorant comment I think I have ever read.

Coming from the guy comparing a child being coerced and raped while the act is filmed and sold for profit to a drawn picture.

I never said it was the same thing.  I said it is the PROMOTION of this act.  And the access that it gives to people seeking this out.  People who actually want to have sex with a child for real.  But yeah, its easier to just summarize vague understandings of what I am trying to say about this subject.  

I'm not even a conservative.  I just have a moral line I set and I think 98% of this country agrees with.  

I am not making ignorant comments such as suggesting puberty has a cut and dry start stop.  Like you can just look at a child and know if they have or have not completed puberty.  It's a grey area because puberty is a time period, not a moment.  

Next you'll argue that the greeks and romans used to have sex with children and it wasn't always looked down upon.  Yeah well, women were once considered property.  Maybe we should go back to that way of thinking too?

I'm not saying that as an attack thinking you believe that way, I'm just making a point.  The laws protect children.  Even laws against simulated child porn.  Just like ratings systems for movies are intended to keep children away from seeing violent movies.

The whole issue is the portrayal of children.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #95 on: August 09, 2010, 08:30:00 PM »
And another thing is that people who go to see a movie with murder, are not going to see it just for the murder.

So should someone who looks up a snuff film be locked up?

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Legal porn is protected speech. So no.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #96 on: August 09, 2010, 08:33:24 PM »
You cannot write books promoting genocide in the United States and get away with it.  Maybe you should know the laws regarding freedom of speech in the US before arguing.  Hate speech is not protected by the 1st amendment.

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about games like Grand theft auto where it's just going around slaughtering innocent people. 

The difference is, there are whole underground rings of people distributing and making child porn.  I don't think there are many people running around and gunning down random people on the street.  Yes there are murders all over the place, but not like it is depicted in said video game.  No one besides serial killers go around killing for fun. 

There are much more people into child porn than people who want to go murder people for fun.  And the fact is, people into child porn are getting off on the raping and taking of innocence from children who don't even have a choice in the matter.  They are manipulated into doing acts with older people.  It's despicable.  As is murder.  But they are not one in the same act.  However I am for making the two equal weights as far as punishment goes.  And, they should both be stricter.

There are lots of movies about murder. Maybe not genocide, but tons of movies are about killing people as if they meant nothing. And yes there have been plenty of murders in similar fashions. Should all movies be G rated disney movies?

In the end, you can't control peoples thoughts. People have to have the freedom to think whatever they want. This isn't 1984.

Adami, please pay attention to my argument, and stop dumbing it down.  I'm not talking about mind control.  I'm talking about closing the channels so child porn cannot be distributed to the masses.  

The difference in movies is that its FAKE.  Child porn is REAL.  There are real children getting abused.  There is a difference.  How can you not see the difference there?

Because we're not talking about child porn. We're talking about simulated child porn, just like simulated murder. Do I think pictures of 7 year olds naked should be legal? No. But a drawing? Why the hell not?

Re-read my posts and you will see my argument to why simulated child porn should not be distributed.  It also linked with my rebuttal against you thinking simulated murder is the same thing.  You have to look at it within context of a culture.  I have outlined my points clearly and addressed the things you have said.  Whether you choose to accept that fact or not, is up to you.  I have read carefully what you have said, thought about it, and then replied.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #97 on: August 09, 2010, 08:39:16 PM »
And another thing is that people who go to see a movie with murder, are not going to see it just for the murder.  You can't argue that people who go films with murder in them want to out and murder people just to fill a desire.  Well in child porn, or simulated, its a person who is sexually attracted to children getting off on children.  And the people who seek that shit out, want to have sex with a child.  Read up on it.  These people have to live in restraint there whole lives.  Some can restrain, and obviously others can't.  This is not how murder works in our society.  Murder's are 99/100 times out of circumstances that lead up to a murder.

The two are different.
Can you please cite a source where it says all people who look up simulated child porn want to fuck children?  The way I see it, these people DON'T want to fuck children, or else they would go out and do it.  Why sit there jacking off to the toons when you can have the real thing?  Your argument makes no sense, I'm afraid to say.  I see what you're trying to say, but I don't think you are thinking out your argument here.  Try harder.

Also, here's a tip:  Stick to one argument.  You change your argument so many times it's hard for me to believe you hate drawn kiddy porn for any other reason than you think its bad, then trying to justify your unreasonable hate by making up random arguments that don't make sense.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #98 on: August 09, 2010, 10:12:50 PM »
And another thing is that people who go to see a movie with murder, are not going to see it just for the murder.  You can't argue that people who go films with murder in them want to out and murder people just to fill a desire.  Well in child porn, or simulated, its a person who is sexually attracted to children getting off on children.  And the people who seek that shit out, want to have sex with a child.  Read up on it.  These people have to live in restraint there whole lives.  Some can restrain, and obviously others can't.  This is not how murder works in our society.  Murder's are 99/100 times out of circumstances that lead up to a murder.

The two are different.
Can you please cite a source where it says all people who look up simulated child porn want to fuck children?  The way I see it, these people DON'T want to fuck children, or else they would go out and do it.  Why sit there jacking off to the toons when you can have the real thing?  Your argument makes no sense, I'm afraid to say.  I see what you're trying to say, but I don't think you are thinking out your argument here.  Try harder.

Also, here's a tip:  Stick to one argument.  You change your argument so many times it's hard for me to believe you hate drawn kiddy porn for any other reason than you think its bad, then trying to justify your unreasonable hate by making up random arguments that don't make sense.

It's not all people who actually get to the point where they commit.  But I have read interviews of people who have been convicted of having child porn, they live with it everyday that they are attracted to children and they have to hold back despite how much they want to.  

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CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

    * Child pornography is one of the fastest growing businesses online, and the content is becoming much worse. In 2008, Internet Watch Foundation found 1,536 individual child abuse domains. (Internet Watch Foundation. Annual Report, 2008).

    * Of all known child abuse domains, 58 percent are housed in the United States (Internet Watch Foundation. Annual Report, 2008).

    * The fastest growing demand in commercial websites for child abuse is for images depicting the worst type of abuse, including penetrative sexual activity involving children and adults and sadism or penetration by an animal (Internet Watch Foundation. Annual Report, 2008).

    * In a study of arrested child pornography possessors, 40 percent had both sexually victimized children and were in possession of child pornography. Of those arrested between 2000 and 2001, 83 percent had images involving children between the ages 6 and 12; 39 percent had images of children between ages 3 and 5; and 19% had images of infants and toddlers under age 3 (National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, Child Pornography Possessors Arrested in Internet-Related Crimes: Findings fro the National Juvenile Online Victimization Study.


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Happy?  Let's see you find evidence that depictions of child porn is good.  How can you even defend it?  It promotes the idea of having sex with children as a good and healthy thing.  That is my bottom line.  It has been since I started arguing this point.  If you can't follow, you have not tried to actually read and understand my point.  I know you are still in high school so I just gotta say, I have taken courses on a lot of this stuff in college.  I know how to formulate a point.  Maybe it isn't as clear on a forum cause its disjointed because I am replying to 3 different people all at once.  But don't tell me this argument doesn't make sense, because it does.  If you just take the time to read it through and think about it, you'll see what I am saying.  Whether or not you agree is totally up to you to decide.  But at least understand what you are going against.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #99 on: August 09, 2010, 10:45:55 PM »
I love all the arguments against drawn child porn, and I always have to ask those people, do you support prosecution of thoughtcrime?

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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #100 on: August 09, 2010, 10:47:27 PM »
I love all the arguments against drawn child porn, and I always have to ask those people, do you support prosecution of thoughtcrime?

It's not a thought.  You can see that right?  It's an expression that can be distributed to people.  Very specific people who want a specific thing.  Don't set the argument backwards with something that has already been addressed.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #101 on: August 09, 2010, 10:49:45 PM »
So let's say some people want to see Tom Cruise getting shot in the stomach. I draw that drawing. Should I be prosecuted in the same way as someone who shot Tom Cruise in the stomach and distributed that image on the internet?

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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #102 on: August 09, 2010, 10:53:37 PM »
I love all the arguments against drawn child porn, and I always have to ask those people, do you support prosecution of thoughtcrime?

It's not a thought.  You can see that right?  It's an expression that can be distributed to people.  Very specific people who want a specific thing.  Don't set the argument backwards with something that has already been addressed.

Irrelevant. They haven't done anything, and there's no direct evidence that they're going to do anything.
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
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Re: Life in prison for making porn?
« Reply #104 on: August 09, 2010, 10:54:53 PM »
So let's say some people want to see Tom Cruise getting shot in the stomach. I draw that drawing. Should I be prosecuted in the same way as someone who shot Tom Cruise in the stomach and distributed that image on the internet?

There is a good chance you could get prosecuted being that it is an outward threat.  That kind of speech is not protected under the 1st amendment.  Motivating people to commit a crime is also a crime.  Which I believe child porn does.  I have already addressed the differences between murder and child porn in this thread.

The fact is, depictions of murdering adults is seen as ok in our society.  But you don't see movies glorifying the butchering of children.  It's taboo in our society.  Children are innocent.  Promoting child pornography is wrong.  Virtual child porn advocates that it is ok to have sex with a child.  The spread of it creates problems.  

If you think people who actively search out simulated child porn, aren't actually looking at the real thing you must be incredibly naive to the world.  How long till simulated child porn won't be enough?
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