Life in prison for making porn?

[King Postwhore]

I miss kingsypoo.

Sorry icy. It's been a busy weekend and I was only to pop in for a few minutes a day and can't give a good amount od time I should to this. I try durring the week.

[icysk8r]

I miss kingsypoo.

Sorry icy. It's been a busy weekend and I was only to pop in for a few minutes a day and can't give a good amount od time I should to this. I try durring the week.

No problem, I know you're busy.  It's just this is a 1-sided debate without you.

[7StringedBeast]

Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five Pedophiles and one child voting on what to have for sex.
-Larry Flynt

[hefdaddy42]

Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five Pedophiles and one child voting on what to have for sex.
-Larry Flynt

I'm sorry, but


 

[icysk8r]

Even I laughed at that 
Although I hope that wasn't a serious effort to turn my point against me..because if so it failed.

[7StringedBeast]

Yeah that was a joke more than anything.  However, I still feel you are dead wrong concerning everything.  But yeah, that was a joke.

[icysk8r]

Yeah that was a joke more than anything.  However, I still feel you are dead wrong concerning everything.  But yeah, that was a joke.

Oh, okay

[hefdaddy42]

I'm not so sure the point failed, either.

[ehra]

Considering we're not talking about if anyone should be allowed to have sex with children, I'm going to say it did.

[hefdaddy42]

Considering we're not talking about if anyone should be allowed to have sex with children, I'm going to say it did.

That's fine. 

[icysk8r]

Considering we're not talking about if anyone should be allowed to have sex with children, I'm going to say it did.

[King Postwhore]

It's about time I got back to this thread, Right icy?

I think that I look at pedophilia as a sexual perversion and not a sexual preference.  It's too deviant to label it a preference.  To me, labeling it a perversion sounds right.  I know you can say that it fits the definition of preference buy to me it shouldn't be classified the same way as someone who wants to have same sex or likes blondes, or zucchini.

Mabye this definition will cloudy or help my point.

 https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+Perversions

[icysk8r]

It's about time I got back to this thread, Right icy?

I think that I look at pedophilia as a sexual perversion and not a sexual preference.  It's too deviant to label it a preference.  To me, labeling it a perversion sounds right.  I know you can say that it fits the definition of preference buy to me it shouldn't be classified the same way as someone who wants to have same sex or likes blondes, or zucchini.

Mabye this definition will cloudy or help my point.

 https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+Perversions

Which can bring me back to a point that there is nothing wrong with the individual itself, but rather the way society views him/her.  It says it's sexual arousal, ect. to something that society deems unnormal.  So while you may be right that it isn't as common as being hetero or homosexual, it still is no different from either one (the process in the brain, not the acts that go with it) other than the fact that society doesn't like it.

[King Postwhore]

There are certain urges that one should not act on.  Yes a person can have stimuli from different places but it doesn't make it right.  Some urges are abnormal, and that is one of them.  Icy there is a difference to 2 grown ups with the same urges and then one grown up forcing his or her urges on a person that doesn't want or understand those urges.  It's not looked apon the same and there's a good reason why.

[icysk8r]

There are certain urges that one should not act on.  Yes a person can have stimuli from different places but it doesn't make it right.  Some urges are abnormal, and that is one of them.  Icy there is a difference to 2 grown ups with the same urges and then one grown up forcing his or her urges on a person that doesn't want or understand those urges.  It's not looked apon the same and there's a good reason why.

But we aren't talking about acts. We're talking about thoughts. 

[hefdaddy42]

About acts.

Just sayin'.

[icysk8r]

About acts.

Just sayin'.

And people think of murder all the time.  Does that make them criminals or necessarily sick?  no. Because you can't honestly say you've never thought about murder...

[King Postwhore]

About acts.

Just sayin'.

And people think of murder all the time.  Does that make them criminals or necessarily sick?  no. Because you can't honestly say you've never thought about murder...

The answer to that is no.  Pulverize(sp)?  Yes.  We know it's not illeagal to have those thoughts icy, but those who think that are in a minority that, dare I say most likely to act on.  We all throw the line out I'll kill you, but we don't mean it in those terms. But there are a small minority that would kill you because they are mentally not stable.

I understand that thoughts are not illeagal but if they are having these thought, they are dangerous to children.  It's a dangerous line with answers we all won't like.

[icysk8r]

About acts.

Just sayin'.

And people think of murder all the time.  Does that make them criminals or necessarily sick?  no. Because you can't honestly say you've never thought about murder...

The answer to that is no.  Pulverize(sp)?  Yes.  We know it's not illeagal to have those thoughts icy, but those who think that are in a minority that, dare I say most likely to act on.  We all throw the line out I'll kill you, but we don't mean it in those terms. But there are a small minority that would kill you because they are mentally not stable.

I understand that thoughts are not illeagal but if they are having these thought, they are dangerous to children.  It's a dangerous line with answers we all won't like.

The same applies to pedophiles.  The minority will hurt a child, and THAT'S where the problem lies.  They didn't hurt a child because they are a pedophile, they hurt a child because they are mentally fucked.

[hefdaddy42]

...because they're pedophiles.

[icysk8r]

...because they're pedophiles.

Is it that you genuinely don't understand what I'm saying, or is it that you are willingly ignorant?

[hefdaddy42]

Look, here is what I think:  your position that pedophilia is a genuine sexuality that should be respected is wrong.  And here is why I say that.  There is more to a real sexuality than who you want to diddle.  Heterosexuals want to be in relationships with other heterosexuals, not just have sex with them.  Homosexuals want to be in relationships with other homosexuals, not just have sex with them (hence the push to legalize gay marriage).  Pedophilia is not like that.  There is no real relationship to be had between a pedophile and the object of his passion (much like necrophilia, or treeophilia, or whatever else there is out there).  There is no give and take - there is only take, and that taking involves more than just physicality, but also a sense of authority and borders and all kinds of other things.  In a way, seeking to equate pedophilia with an actual sexuality is a slap in the face to all the strides that have been made in the area of gay rights over the last 25 years.  And please, I don't want to hear anymore about thoughts, or your so-called majority of pedophiles that haven't actually touched a child.  They haven't touched one yet, or they haven't been caught.  If they have child porn, then a child was violated in the making of that porn, so their possession is a party to it.  I have never heard of a case of a pedophile only being caught with child porn art or cartoons.  But even if they were, that is still an indication of an unnatural sexual leaning, like I mentioned above.

Frankly, the most disturbing thing about your point of view is your age.

Now, if none of that makes a dent in your thinking, then we probably really are done with this discussion, because neither of us will budge from our viewpoints.  But please, either way, enough of the "you don't understand what I'm saying" comments.  Because yes, I do, and I'm sure that everyone else does, too.  And no, people don't think about murder all the time.

[icysk8r]

Look, here is what I think:  your position that pedophilia is a genuine sexuality that should be respected is wrong.  And here is why I say that.  There is more to a real sexuality than who you want to diddle.  Heterosexuals want to be in relationships with other heterosexuals, not just have sex with them.  Homosexuals want to be in relationships with other homosexuals, not just have sex with them (hence the push to legalize gay marriage).  Pedophilia is not like that.  There is no real relationship to be had between a pedophile and the object of his passion (much like necrophilia, or treeophilia, or whatever else there is out there).  There is no give and take - there is only take, and that taking involves more than just physicality, but also a sense of authority and borders and all kinds of other things.  In a way, seeking to equate pedophilia with an actual sexuality is a slap in the face to all the strides that have been made in the area of gay rights over the last 25 years.  And please, I don't want to hear anymore about thoughts, or your so-called majority of pedophiles that haven't actually touched a child.  They haven't touched one yet, or they haven't been caught.  If they have child porn, then a child was violated in the making of that porn, so their possession is a party to it.  I have never heard of a case of a pedophile only being caught with child porn art or cartoons.  But even if they were, that is still an indication of an unnatural sexual leaning, like I mentioned above.

Frankly, the most disturbing thing about your point of view is your age.

Now, if none of that makes a dent in your thinking, then we probably really are done with this discussion, because neither of us will budge from our viewpoints.  But please, either way, enough of the "you don't understand what I'm saying" comments.  Because yes, I do, and I'm sure that everyone else does, too.  And no, people don't think about murder all the time.

Actually, pedophiles do wish to have relationships with children.  Whether or not those children are mature enough to have a relationship is irrelevant to the fact it's the same thoughts, feelings, emotions, and mental process for any other sexuality.

[ehra]

That's why he said there's no real relationship to be had, not that they don't want one.

[7StringedBeast]

I liken pedophilia to having compulsive thoughts of murder.  If you are a pedophile you are having compulsive thoughts of having sex with a child.  If you are thinking compulsive thoughts about murder, you have a mental disorder.  So why isn't pedophilia a mental disorder?  Because if the pedophile isn't bothered by his way of thinking, it's not a disorder technically.  But if he's not bothered by it, that's even more messed up.

Thinking about murder and getting off to it is just as bad as thinking and getting off on children.  Seriously, they are both sick things to think about and want.

[King Postwhore]

Hef, thank you for articulating it better than I could ever do.

[hefdaddy42]

Whether or not those children are mature enough to have a relationship is irrelevant to the fact it's the same thoughts, feelings, emotions, and mental process for any other sexuality.

No it isn't irrelevant.

But I guess that's how we'll have to leave it.

[icysk8r]

I suppose so.

Thinking about murder and getting off to it is just as bad as thinking and getting off on children.  Seriously, they are both sick things to think about and want.

And what makes either of those sick other than subjective standards?

[ehra]

Sorry, but what point are you trying to make there? Subjectivity goes both ways, you can't really use the "those are just subjective standards" argument to convince someone that your subjective standard is right.

[Adami]

I liken pedophilia to having compulsive thoughts of murder.  If you are a pedophile you are having compulsive thoughts of having sex with a child.  If you are thinking compulsive thoughts about murder, you have a mental disorder.  So why isn't pedophilia a mental disorder?  Because if the pedophile isn't bothered by his way of thinking, it's not a disorder technically.  But if he's not bothered by it, that's even more messed up.

Thinking about murder and getting off to it is just as bad as thinking and getting off on children.  Seriously, they are both sick things to think about and want.

Is beating a child as bad as murder?

[icysk8r]

Sorry, but what point are you trying to make there? Subjectivity goes both ways, you can't really use the "those are just subjective standards" argument to convince someone that your subjective standard is right.

My point is that you can't base everything off of subjective standards.  With me, if I see no harm, there's no foul.  Sure I don't nesassarily agree with everything people are attracted to, but I don't give a shit what they think about when they jack off.  And I certainly don't call them sick for it.  Why you care so much makes no sense to me. 

[ehra]

Why you care so much makes no sense to me. 

I never said I did, I was just taking issue to the argument you were making. The main thing I disagree with you is the "it's not a sickness, it's a sexuality" thing. If we're talking about pre-pubescent kids here then there is no way in hell that should be considered a valid sexuality, if it's 15+ or so then fine.

As for the issue of making a big deal about what other people think or feel but don't act on, that's more of a touchy subject. Yeah it's their thoughts and many people think of crazy shit all the time without doing it, I get it. But If you knew someone were a pedophile but never acted out on it on another person, would you be ok with leaving your kid with them for an extended period of time? I honestly wouldn't, so I can't really take issue with other people getting worked up over it. The degree to which people react to it, however, I don'g agree with.

Personally, I there should happy medium between the life ruining disdain our society has right now for someone who's so much as suspected of maybe being the type of person who'd jerk one off to an animated kid, and the whole "there's nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to children not yet fit (physically and mentally, although the second is more difficult to judge) for sex, perfectly normal in fact" deal you seem to be arguing for.

As for the animated porn thing, I'm pretty sure I've made my stance on that clear enough.

[Adami]

I'm just curious, are you guys likening pedos to violent murderers? Or say...schizophrenics or something?

Cause on one hand you're saying it's a mental disorder, and on the other you're saying they should all go to jail for the rest of their lives. It doesn't seem to make much sense that people should go to jail for having thoughts they can't control.

[ehra]

If it was directed at the whole thread, then my stance on it is that it's a disorder that should be treated. As for jail or anything like that, there's no need until someone actually does something (or tries) to a kid. Which is partially why I'm fine with animated kid porn. If someone needs an outlet that won't hurt anyone then all the power to them

[Adami]

If it was directed at the whole thread, then my stance on it is that it's a disorder that should be treated. As for jail or anything like that, there's no need until someone actually does something (or tries) to a kid. Which is partially why I'm fine with animated kid porn. If someone needs an outlet that won't hurt anyone then all the power to them

Ok, so you don't believe they should go to jail unless they actually harm a child. Good man. It was more aimed at the "BURN THEM ALL!!!" mentallity people.