THE Judas Priest thread - v. new album and tour in 2024

[Zydar]

In 2011 I ran a JP survivor here on DTF. This is how the final round ended up.

1. Painkiller
2. The Hellion / Electric Eye
3. Exciter
4. Victim Of Changes
5. Jawbreaker
6. The Sentinel
7. Beyond The Realms Of Death
8. Freewheel Burning
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Ram It Down
11. Blood Red Skies
12. Sinner
13. Heading Out To The Highway
14. Cathedral Spires
15. One Shot At Glory
16. Dissident Aggressor
17. Rapid Fire
18. Metal Gods
19. Judas Rising
20. Prophecy
21. Jugulator
22. Subterfuge
23. Out In The Cold
24. Run Of The Mill

[cramx3]

Looks like the US tour with Sabaton is back on.  Not surprisingly since both bands had been announced for different shows already.  Now there isn't a schedule conflict for me, so I hope to see JP for the first time this fall although I am way more excited to see Sabaton.

[pg1067]

In 2011 I ran a JP survivor here on DTF. This is how the final round ended up.

1. Painkiller
2. The Hellion / Electric Eye
3. Exciter
4. Victim Of Changes
5. Jawbreaker
6. The Sentinel
7. Beyond The Realms Of Death
8. Freewheel Burning
9. Hell Bent For Leather
10. Ram It Down
11. Blood Red Skies
12. Sinner
13. Heading Out To The Highway
14. Cathedral Spires
15. One Shot At Glory
16. Dissident Aggressor
17. Rapid Fire
18. Metal Gods
19. Judas Rising
20. Prophecy
21. Jugulator
22. Subterfuge
23. Out In The Cold
24. Run Of The Mill

Those are some crazy results.  Exciter and Jawbreaker over the Sentinel and BTROD??!  Might be time for a new one.

[wolfking]

Jawbreaker at number 5?! 

[MirrorMask]

I'm more baffled at Subterfuge being at number 22.

[Stadler]

One song from their most popular album?  It's the best song, but still... no Devil's Child?  No Screaming...?   

[wolfking]

I'm more baffled at Subterfuge being at number 22.

Ha!  Missed that one.   

[Zydar]

I've saved the results for each album if anyone's interested in a particular album or such.

Interesting to note is that Screaming For Vengeance got the last place on that album

[Mladen]

I think I took place in that survivor, but man, that was ten years ago. It would be awesome to have another Judas Priest survivor. 

[MirrorMask]

One song from their most popular album?  It's the best song, but still... no Devil's Child?  No Screaming...?

Probably each album had only 2 songs in the finals regardless of popularity...

[Zydar]

Looks like the winner of each album went to the finals. If there was a tie, then both songs went to the finals (for instance Freewheel Burning/Jawbreaker, and Ram It Down/Blood Red Skies).

The runner-ups battled it out in a separate heat. Out of those 14 songs, 5 went to the finals (Sinner, Exciter, Rapid Fire, The Sentinel, and One Shot At Glory).

[KevShmev]

Yeah, because every album pretty much has to get representation in the final 25 or whatever, those survivors are never a true indication of what songs are the most liked and whatnot.  Sure, the most popular albums get an extra song or two (or however that works), and it's a fun exercise, but I'd take the results with a tinny tiny grain of salt.

[emtee]

Seriously loving Firepower. No weak tracks and stellar production put this album way up to the top of their discography. It's that good IMO.

[Zydar]

Yeah, because every album pretty much has to get representation in the final 25 or whatever, those survivors are never a true indication of what songs are the most liked and whatnot.  Sure, the most popular albums get an extra song or two (or however that works), and it's a fun exercise, but I'd take the results with a tinny tiny grain of salt.

Yeah, the survivor system is pretty flawed that way. I wonder if the "league" system is better, the way that Destiny of Chaos is doing the DT League.

[MirrorMask]

Yeah, because every album pretty much has to get representation in the final 25 or whatever, those survivors are never a true indication of what songs are the most liked and whatnot.  Sure, the most popular albums get an extra song or two (or however that works), and it's a fun exercise, but I'd take the results with a tinny tiny grain of salt.

Yeah, the survivor system is pretty flawed that way. I wonder if the "league" system is better, the way that Destiny of Chaos is doing the DT League.

The League is definitively better, but even a survivor classic style can work; however the best albums should have more songs, there should be an albums survivor first where the most voted albums get most songs in the final.

Let's take Maiden for example, Seventh Son has 8 songs and so does Virtual XI; that both albums send the same number of songs to the finals is unbalanced.

[Mladen]

The point of a survivor was never to be an accurate representation of what the band's best songs are, it's just a game. However, I do feel that the top ten songs on a list can be fairly accurate, especially with bands that have a more consistent discography. The songs from number 20 downwards are usually the best tracks from weaker albums. 

[pg1067]

Looks like the winner of each album went to the finals. If there was a tie, then both songs went to the finals (for instance Freewheel Burning/Jawbreaker, and Ram It Down/Blood Red Skies).

The runner-ups battled it out in a separate heat. Out of those 14 songs, 5 went to the finals (Sinner, Exciter, Rapid Fire, The Sentinel, and One Shot At Glory).

Well...that helps explain why there's a song from Nostradamus in the top 25.   

I'd be totally down for a survivor or a league.

[Stadler]

Looks like the winner of each album went to the finals. If there was a tie, then both songs went to the finals (for instance Freewheel Burning/Jawbreaker, and Ram It Down/Blood Red Skies).

The runner-ups battled it out in a separate heat. Out of those 14 songs, 5 went to the finals (Sinner, Exciter, Rapid Fire, The Sentinel, and One Shot At Glory).

Well...that helps explain why there's a song from Nostradamus in the top 25.   

I'd be totally down for a survivor or a league.

I would too, but I would not want to "guarantee" any album at least one spot.

[TAC]

So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..

https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio



I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..

Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.

[wolfking]

There is no fucking thing as classic KK feel.  Priest since Sad Wings has been Glenn and Rob mainly I firmly believe. 

I got offended when KK said he left as live performances weren't up to scratch in Priest.  Glenn had early onset Parkinson's and still ripped out more technical solos than you could comprehend mate.  Put your whammy bar down and tackle the Painkiller solo live.  KK was never note for live anyway so not sure where he got off saying that.

And yes, the KK's Priest band name is horrid, absolutely pathetic.

[EPICVIEW]

So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..

https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio



I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..

Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.

I agree and I loved KK but cmon KK this is just lame... He retired and should ahve just stayed retired  no way is Richie leaving JP nor should he   maybe Richie could be Glen live and KK could take over for Richie  but even thats a real stretch

[Stadler]

So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..

https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio



I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..

Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.

I agree and I loved KK but cmon KK this is just lame... He retired and should ahve just stayed retired  no way is Richie leaving JP nor should he   maybe Richie could be Glen live and KK could take over for Richie  but even thats a real stretch

There were some rumblings to that effect when Glenn made his announcement.  Not from the band, but from fans hoping... (I wasn't one of them).

[MirrorMask]

Anyway, Priest probably is the best example of how those "this is the last lineup" things are just said when all is good and well, and when faced with the reality of a change, for musicians is hard to accept it's over.

Also I'm sure Glenn didn't want to go down in history as the guy who broke Priest up - hardly anyone would fault him for getting the disease, but still, I'm sure he's the first that doesn't want history books to read "Judas Priest retired after Glenn Tipton couldn't play any longer because of Parkinsons' disease". The life of a musician is all they know, and I'm sure there's many bands out there who will go on until they drop and will replace band members when needed.

[EPICVIEW]

So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..

https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio



I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..

Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.

I agree and I loved KK but cmon KK this is just lame... He retired and should ahve just stayed retired  no way is Richie leaving JP nor should he   maybe Richie could be Glen live and KK could take over for Richie  but even thats a real stretch

There were some rumblings to that effect when Glenn made his announcement.  Not from the band, but from fans hoping... (I wasn't one of them).

yep  I remember that bro... It sorta made some sense

[wolfking]

Been trying to come up with a top 10 or 15 Tipton solos.  It's pretty clear cut I guess, but how to rank them is impossible.

[ozzy554]

So I've been thinking about this and I saw this story so I'm now motivated to post..

https://bravewords.com/news/tim-ripper-owens-on-upcoming-debut-album-from-kk-s-priest-it-has-the-aggression-right-out-of-the-gate-but-it-also-has-the-classic-k-k-feel-as-well-audio



I know people have to make a living and all that. Heck there's like 3 Ratts and and 2 Great Whites (um..ONE was ONE too many)..And now we have Scottryche..

Anyway, Ripper says we have a "classic KK feel"? WTF is the classic KK feel. And calling it KK's Priest makes me lose all interest in this, honestly. That's fucking cheesy.

Whenever I see stuff like that this immediately comes to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWnX4a_fwc

[KevShmev]

Update: I tried all three of these below.
 
Cathedral Spires

Feed on Me

Burn in Hell

Meh on all three. Sounded like generic metal tunes, with nothing special that made Priest great from the early days through Painkiller.  Call it a mental block, but I can't get past Ripper Owens, as he comes off like too much of a Rob Halford wannabe.  I never seem to like these singers who sound too similar to the guys they replaced (Priest, Styx, Queensryche, etc.).  I get why bands hire new guys who sound like the prior singers, but they come off too much like a poor man's version most of the time.  And a staple of classic Priest was always tasty metal solos that managed to wonderfully melodic and memorable as well, and I didn't hear any of that in these songs. Feed on Me almost felt like it was going that way for a few seconds there in the middle, but then they slowed it down and had some weird transition back to the vocals.  Bummer.

[Dream Team]

Update: I tried all three of these below.
 
Cathedral Spires

Feed on Me

Burn in Hell

Meh on all three. Sounded like generic metal tunes, with nothing special that made Priest great from the early days through Painkiller.  Call it a mental block, but I can't get past Ripper Owens, as he comes off like too much of a Rob Halford wannabe.  I never seem to like these singers who sound too similar to the guys they replaced (Priest, Styx, Queensryche, etc.).  I get why bands hire new guys who sound like the prior singers, but they come off too much like a poor man's version most of the time.  And a staple of classic Priest was always tasty metal solos that managed to wonderfully melodic and memorable as well, and I didn't hear any of that in these songs. Feed on Me almost felt like it was going that way for a few seconds there in the middle, but then they slowed it down and had some weird transition back to the vocals.  Bummer.

Yeah I knew you’d be unimpressed. Generic as all hell. Could have been released by countless nameless metal bands.

[Stadler]

Update: I tried all three of these below.
 
Cathedral Spires

Feed on Me

Burn in Hell

Meh on all three. Sounded like generic metal tunes, with nothing special that made Priest great from the early days through Painkiller.  Call it a mental block, but I can't get past Ripper Owens, as he comes off like too much of a Rob Halford wannabe.  I never seem to like these singers who sound too similar to the guys they replaced (Priest, Styx, Queensryche, etc.).  I get why bands hire new guys who sound like the prior singers, but they come off too much like a poor man's version most of the time.  And a staple of classic Priest was always tasty metal solos that managed to wonderfully melodic and memorable as well, and I didn't hear any of that in these songs. Feed on Me almost felt like it was going that way for a few seconds there in the middle, but then they slowed it down and had some weird transition back to the vocals.  Bummer.

I understand that.  That's how I feel.  I seem to spend more time picking apart where they do and don't sound alike that it overwhelms the music.  "Hey, that little scream doesn't sound like Rob!" or "that legato part sounds just like Rob!"  It's distracting to me.  At least with Blaze, while I sometimes thought "It would be cool to hear Bruce sing that!" it was never really distracting.   

[KevShmev]

I think if it was really good, I wouldn't care nearly as much, but since it's not, it makes it a little easier to pick nits, ya know?

[Stadler]

I think if it was really good, I wouldn't care nearly as much, but since it's not, it makes it a little easier to pick nits, ya know?

Well, that's just it.  For me, replacing these legends is more often than not lacking, so there's nothing left but to pick nits. 

[EPICVIEW]

I think if it was really good, I wouldn't care nearly as much, but since it's not, it makes it a little easier to pick nits, ya know?

Well, that's just it.  For me, replacing these legends is more often than not lacking, so there's nothing left but to pick nits.

agreed   I always want the original even if if they have lost a step,  and its always the singer under the microscope , Id always want to see Zep with Plant, or Aero with Steven or Judas with Rob and QR with Geoff etc   no matter if they cant do it like they once did   thats why we have recordings or vids of the old stuff if we want that again. 

[RodrigoAltaf]

 All done with KK, and the interview came out great! I mentioned to him that his new album is a call back to the 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot" days, and he loved to hear that.

 one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".

[EPICVIEW]

All done with KK, and the interview came out great! I mentioned to him that his new album is a call back to the 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot" days, and he loved to hear that.

 one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".

Thats great Rod    Ill look forward to the whole interview bro

[MirrorMask]

one thing he told me about the Ripper years, which you guys are discussing right now: "the issue wasn't that Ripper was there, but the fact that Rob WASN'T".

That's a great way to put it!