The Answer Lies Within Appreciation/Discussion Thread

[Darkes7]

I've always considered it the weakest on the album together with I Walk Beside You, but I could never say it's a bad song in any way, and I find it necessary for the flow of the album.

[BRGM]

I've always considered it the weakest on the album together with I Walk Beside You, but I could never say it's a bad song in any way, and I find it necessary for the flow of the album.

Agree 100% or no...for me it kinda brings the album down a little along with I walk beside you

[Adami]

I've always considered it the weakest on the album together with I Walk Beside You, but I could never say it's a bad song in any way, and I find it necessary for the flow of the album.

Agree 100% or no...for me it kinda brings the album down a little along with I walk beside you

What the hell did you just say?

[Gadough]

 

[sonatafanica]

I really like it. Then again, I've never really been a metalhead, so I may have a different view from a lot of you guys.

[hefdaddy42]

I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull

It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down. 

Was it nice to see the entire concert live for real! ike, being there!!!

Nah, it was awful.

[KevShmev]

And just think, the man many think is such a wizard at constructing set lists somehow came to the determination that "The Answer Lies Within" was worthy of being on the band's 20th anniversary set list, but songs like "Take the Time," "Learning to Live," "Voices," "Lines in the Sand," "Trial of Tears," "Home," "The Glass Prison," "Blind Faith" and "In the Name of God" weren't. It boggles the mind.

[toro]

I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull

It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down. 

Was it nice to see the entire concert live for real! ike, being there!!!

Nah, it was awful.

RCMH or the song?

[hefdaddy42]

And just think, the man many think is such a wizard at constructing set lists somehow came to the determination that "The Answer Lies Within" was worthy of being on the band's 20th anniversary set list, but songs like "Take the Time," "Learning to Live," "Voices," "Lines in the Sand," "Trial of Tears," "Home," "The Glass Prison," "Blind Faith" and "In the Name of God" weren't. It boggles the mind.

Personally, I feel that the inclusion of TALW was worse than the exclusion of those others.

But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career."  It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way. 

[KevShmev]

But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career."  It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.  

I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list.  Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played.  I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking.  I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?"  I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.  

Contrast that to Rush, who did their 30th anniversary tour the year before and busted out most of their most popular songs (that actually get played live, meaning not songs they simply do not play anymore).  Imagine Rush doing that tour and playing "Face Up," but not playing "2112," "Xanadu" or "La Villa Strangiato."  That is basically what DT did by playing "The Answer Lies Within" and not playing "Take the Time," "Learning to Live" and "The Glass Prison."  And Rush ain't exactly perfect when it comes to constructing set lists, but at least they got that one mostly right.  

[Gadough]

I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull

It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down. 

Was it nice to see the entire concert live for real! ike, being there!!!

Nah, it was awful.

RCMH or the song?

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[orcus116]

But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career."  It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.  

I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list.  Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played.  I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking.  I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?"  I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.  

Being at RCMH I must say that the worst part of the night was getting pumped up after TROAE and then immediately receiving I Walk Beside You. I've never seen a crowd go from   to   so fast in my life. I dunno if the DVD shows it but the energy died immediately.

[hefdaddy42]

But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career."  It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.  

I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list.  Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played.  I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking.  I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?"  I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.  

Contrast that to Rush, who did their 30th anniversary tour the year before and busted out most of their most popular songs (that actually get played live, meaning not songs they simply do not play anymore).  Imagine Rush doing that tour and playing "Face Up," but not playing "2112," "Xanadu" or "La Villa Strangiato."  That is basically what DT did by playing "The Answer Lies Within" and not playing "Take the Time," "Learning to Live" and "The Glass Prison."  And Rush ain't exactly perfect when it comes to constructing set lists, but at least they got that one mostly right.  

It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev.  That's what I'm saying.

[Darkes7]

But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career."  It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.  

I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list.  Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played.  I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking.  I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?"  I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.  

Contrast that to Rush, who did their 30th anniversary tour the year before and busted out most of their most popular songs (that actually get played live, meaning not songs they simply do not play anymore).  Imagine Rush doing that tour and playing "Face Up," but not playing "2112," "Xanadu" or "La Villa Strangiato."  That is basically what DT did by playing "The Answer Lies Within" and not playing "Take the Time," "Learning to Live" and "The Glass Prison."  And Rush ain't exactly perfect when it comes to constructing set lists, but at least they got that one mostly right.  

First, The Answer Lies Within was in the orchestral part, which changes a lot. There are few DT songs that can be arranged with an orchestra and actually work without complete re-writing of the song, and it is one of them. I can definitely see why they played it.

And the Score setlist is interesting in a way that it actually includes songs they don't play often but still shows their entire history. I would have probably never found out about such a great song as Raise The Knife otherwise, or we would not get the incredible orchestrated version of Six Degrees if they decided to pick, say, Peruvian Skies and The Glass Prison instead. You have the popular tracks on several other DVDs. Here, they did something unusual and it's a very good idea for me.

(And they've been playing Take The Time and Learning to Live lots of times on the recent tours.)

[contest_sanity]

It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev.  That's what I'm saying.

It may not have been promoted as that, but they did still take pains to play a song (some of them rarities) from every album/era, so, in that sense, it feels like a celebration of the history of the band, especially on the DVD because of the corresponding The Score So Far documentary.

[hefdaddy42]

It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev.  That's what I'm saying.

It may not have been promoted as that, but they did still take pains to play a song (some of them rarities) from every album/era, so, in that sense, it feels like a celebration of the history of the band, especially on the DVD because of the corresponding The Score So Far documentary.

They did that at every stop on that tour.  The only thing special about the RCMH show was the location, and the orchestra, and the fact that they worked up a complete performance of 6DOIT incorporating the orchestra.  Otherwise, they kept to the exact format of the rest of the tour.

[Adami]

It was pretty much a 20th anniversary tour though hef. That doesn't exclude the lame setlist.

[contest_sanity]

It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev.  That's what I'm saying.

It may not have been promoted as that, but they did still take pains to play a song (some of them rarities) from every album/era, so, in that sense, it feels like a celebration of the history of the band, especially on the DVD because of the corresponding The Score So Far documentary.

They did that at every stop on that tour.  The only thing special about the RCMH show was the location, and the orchestra, and the fact that they worked up a complete performance of 6DOIT incorporating the orchestra.  Otherwise, they kept to the exact format of the rest of the tour.

Ah - ok.  I wasn't really familiar with what was happening on the rest of the tour.

[hefdaddy42]

It was pretty much a 20th anniversary tour though hef. That doesn't exclude the lame setlist.

I know it was a 20th anniversary tour.  And their celebration of their 20th anniversary was never to play everybody's favorite songs, but rather to play one song from each album, except for 5 songs from the current album (Octavarium) and then an encore.  That was the format.  For the whole tour.  Every night.

[ZKX-2099]

You're all forgetting that many of the songs on Score weren't on many of their previous live releases.

[KevShmev]

You're all forgetting that many of the songs on Score weren't on many of their previous live releases.

I am not forgetting that.  I just think Portnoy gets too hung up on that, and at the expense of the current set list.  So what if some of those classics had been on previous DVDs?  I mean, we needed half of "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" on consecutive live DVDs, but playing "Take the Time" and "Learning to Live" at your 20th anniversary show would have been the end of the world?  Really?

[ZKX-2099]

You're all forgetting that many of the songs on Score weren't on many of their previous live releases.

I am not forgetting that.  I just think Portnoy gets too hung up on that, and at the expense of the current set list.  So what if some of those classics had been on previous DVDs?  I mean, we needed half of "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" on consecutive live DVDs, but playing "Take the Time" and "Learning to Live" at your 20th anniversary show would have been the end of the world?  Really?

Watch Chaos In Motion or Live Scenes.

[KevShmev]

That would be a valid comeback if either of those shows had been anniversary shows.

Besides, "Take the Time" is dreadful on CIM.

[ZKX-2099]

Besides, "Take the Time" is dreadful on CIM.

Not arguing there. But the performance of Under A Glass Moon was awesome on Score. And with the one song per album deal we wouldn't have gotten that.

[KevShmev]

Except that they played two songs from I&W that night.

[Adami]

One of the things that really pisses me off about Score was that a huge deal was made about the time limit at RCMH. Yet, with that in mind, they still decided to add in the 10 minute or whatever guitar/keyboard improv before TSCO and the 7 or so minute keyboard intro to Octavarium. Another song or two could have easily been thrown in to that time.


Of course they also could have not played 6DOIT. But that's just me.

[hefdaddy42]

One of the things that really pisses me off about Score was that a huge deal was made about the time limit at RCMH. Yet, with that in mind, they still decided to add in the 10 minute or whatever guitar/keyboard improv before TSCO and the 7 or so minute keyboard intro to Octavarium. Another song or two could have easily been thrown in to that time.


Of course they also could have not played 6DOIT. But that's just me.

Well, they did pay $30,000 in fines for going over the limit.  And I loved the improve before TSCO.  I will not debate the intro to 8VM.

[ZKX-2099]

Except that they played two songs from I&W that night.

You know damn well Metropolis had to be the encore.

[KevShmev]

In retrospect, using the orchestra for just half the show was probably a mistake, especially given how off they reportedly were on a number of songs.  They should have just scrapped the type of running order they were using for most of that tour and done a really special set list for that night.  But what's done is done.

Except that they played two songs from I&W that night.

You know damn well Metropolis had to be the encore.

Why?  Because it was such a special show?  Oh, I agree.  And considering how special the show was, do my other points now make more sense to you?

[Adami]

One of the things that really pisses me off about Score was that a huge deal was made about the time limit at RCMH. Yet, with that in mind, they still decided to add in the 10 minute or whatever guitar/keyboard improv before TSCO and the 7 or so minute keyboard intro to Octavarium. Another song or two could have easily been thrown in to that time.


Of course they also could have not played 6DOIT. But that's just me.

Well, they did pay $30,000 in fines for going over the limit.  And I loved the improve before TSCO.  I will not debate the intro to 8VM.

They did really?

They could have pretty easily made it a two night event and made everyone happy. And I doubt it would have been more expensive.

[ZKX-2099]

Why?  Because it was such a special show?  Oh, I agree.  And considering how special the show was, do my other points now make more sense to you?

Yeah it was a special show. Thats why they played songs they rarely play like Innocence Faded, all of Six Degrees, Raise The Knife and The Answer Lies Within...

Speaking of The Answer Lies Within isn't that what this thread is about?

[Adami]

6DOIT? Rarely played? They played it for like an entire tour.

[bosk1]

And considering how special the show was, do my other points now make more sense to you?

No.  The set was great for the show.

[ZKX-2099]

True. But with the orchestra. Even more special.

[hefdaddy42]

Especially special.