2011/12 Setlist Predictions Thread

[robwebster]

They're not going be replacing On the Backs of Angels any time soon - it's the signature track from their latest album, it's pretty much a shoe-in for the DVD. Not going to open with The Glass Prison, either. Might worm its way in somewhere (maybe first track after the acoustic break?) but Bridges in the Sky is almost as vital as OtBoA - to the live show, possibly more vital.

I can't really see them going wild on the Images and Words stuff either. Maybe one extra song, at a stretch, but an album's anniversary is kind of a non-event. It's not like an album can die, there's no accomplishment, it's just a number. I'd be looking more in the direction of Black Clouds & Silver Linings if I were a betting man, seeing as none of the songs on that album have ever been committed to a DVD. Big album, of course - lots of long songs, but I'd imagine one of A Rite of Passage or Wither, and one of A Nightmare to Remember or The Count of Tuscany.

Honestly - this is such a silly thing, but I really hope they keep The Root of All Evil, just 'cos I love the new ending. I'd quite like them to keep The Dark Eternal Night too, just 'cos of Petrucci's backing vocals instead of Mike Portnoy's, and War Inside My Head for the transition from Backs of Angels. First on the chopping block, though, I fear.

[wasteland]

According to setlist.fm they seem to have dropped The Dark Eternal Night from the setlist, probably to make room for the extended (awesome!) guitar solo before TSCO!

https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=dream+theater

[ResultsMayVary]

I can't ever trust setlistfm anywhere. I would rather prefer to wait for someone who went to report a set then setlistfm, which could be incorrectly altered.

[robwebster]

Could just be a curfew thing, of course. They've had to drop songs in Japan before.

[wasteland]

I can't ever trust setlistfm anywhere. I would rather prefer to wait for someone who went to report a set then setlistfm, which could be incorrectly altered.

True. Actually, I'm quite concerned with the TOTAL lack of any video from any of the three Japan shows. Total camera ban?

[Jamariquay]

According to setlist.fm they seem to have dropped The Dark Eternal Night from the setlist, probably to make room for the extended (awesome!) guitar solo before TSCO!

https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=dream+theater

Well, they had been rotating it with The Root Of All Evil, which has shown up. Come to think, I don't think they've played As I Am either, though they have played Wait For Sleep / Far From Heaven.

[wasteland]

According to setlist.fm they seem to have dropped The Dark Eternal Night from the setlist, probably to make room for the extended (awesome!) guitar solo before TSCO!

https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=dream+theater

Well, they had been rotating it with The Root Of All Evil, which has shown up. Come to think, I don't think they've played As I Am either, though they have played Wait For Sleep / Far From Heaven.

If we trust setlist.fm they did yesterday. https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2012/shibuya-ax-shibuya-japan-23de58c3.html

It seems that they are a bit fonder of set A than set B, as I am myself 

[cyberdrummer]

I think we'll see the rotation of Metropolis and LtL on the next NA leg, as was done first time round Europe.

[ResultsMayVary]

I also think they should take the Drum Solo out of the set. I think Mangini has been well-introduced to the world.

[Shadow2222]

^ This I agree with, especially since this is the second NA tour, and he did a drum solo last time. While I am glad I witnessed it once, it is time to replace it with one more song.

[cyberdrummer]

Unlikely to happen, they kept the solo (albeit a different composition) for the 2nd European leg.

[drew512]

BITS is a great opener which I don't see them changing, especially for an ADTOE-focused DVD.

TGP would be an amazing start of the second half of the set following the acoustic break.

[ResultsMayVary]

Unlikely to happen, they kept the solo (albeit a different composition) for the 2nd European leg.

Well, it was the first leg after ADTOE was released. You could argue that most of the European fans didn't make it out to the first leg since the majority of the performances were festivals and not true DT headlining shows.

[cyberdrummer]

Don't get me wrong, I think the solo should make way for a different song, and there's certainly logic in your argument, but I just have a feeling it won't be dropped. 

[ResultsMayVary]

Don't get me wrong, I think the solo should make way for a different song, and there's certainly logic in your argument, but I just have a feeling it won't be dropped.

I don't think they'll drop it either, but I can certainly hope they will. If not this tour, then hopefully by the time the next world tour rolls around.

[lonestar]

If we trust setlist.fm they did yesterday. https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2012/shibuya-ax-shibuya-japan-23de58c3.html

It seems that they are a bit fonder of set A than set B, as I am myself 

I'd be perfectly happy with that set.

[jcmistat]

I would love that set but of course I'd prefer more of a shakeup. I can't see them straying from the format of a Drum Solo, Acoustic, and opening with BITS. How many repeat venues are they playing in?

SF got Outcry and no BAI. I predict the opposite. For the acoustic set we got TSM/BTS now we'll get FFH/WFS.

[robwebster]

I would love that set but of course I'd prefer more of a shakeup. I can't see them straying from the format of a Drum Solo, Acoustic, and opening with BITS. How many repeat venues are they playing in?

SF got Outcry and no BAI. I predict the opposite. For the acoustic set we got TSM/BTS now we'll get FFH/WFS.

I love the acoustic thing, 'cos a. it's a bit different, and b. it creates a sort of act break. As does the drum solo, actually.

Bridges in the Sky is almost guaranteed as an opener, I'd think. They might start rotating Outcry and Build Me Up, Break Me Down with Lost Not Forgotten and This is the Life, but they're not going to start chopping out all the A Dramatic Turn of Events songs any time soon, not so close to the DVD recording. My guess is something like this...

1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. This is the Life / Build Me Up, Break Me Down (rotating)
4. A Rite of Passage*
5. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
6. A Fortune in Lies / Ytse Jam (rotating)
7. Outcry
--
8. Wait For Sleep / The Silent Man (rotating)
9. Far from Heaven / Beneath the Surface (rotating)
--
(A.) A Nightmare to Remember
10. On the Backs of Angels
11. Breaking All Illusions
(B.) The Count of Tuscany
--encore--
13. No idea! In the Name of God?

*Maybe rotating with Wither.

So they've got all the tentpoles of their previous sets, eliminated The Dark Eternal Night which they played on the last DVD and every night on the CiM tour (as much as I love it!), most of A Dramatic Turn of Events, a good chunk of Black Clouds & Silver Linings, (none of which has been committed to DVD, so I think two tracks per show is a very safe bet,) and you can cobble it all together into a fairly coherent setlist.

My one concern is that there's a lot of newer stuff when you replace the wildcards with BCSL stuff. I think there'll probably be less of a skew towards the last two albums than in my guess. Especially given that I've tried not to include too many rotations. But, I don't think I'll be miles off.

[As I Am]

Prediction for N.A. summer tour:
1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. A Rite of Passage
5. Surrounded
6. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
7. A Fortune in Lies
8. This Is The Life
9. On the Backs of Angels
10. War Inside My Head / TTTSTA
11. The Spirit Carries On
12. Breaking All Illusions
--encore--
13. The Count of Tuscany

[JayOctavarium]

1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. This is the Life / Build Me Up, Break Me Down (rotating)
4. A Rite of Passage*
5. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
6. A Fortune in Lies / Ytse Jam (rotating)
7. Outcry
--
8. Wait For Sleep / The Silent Man (rotating)
9. Far from Heaven / Beneath the Surface (rotating)
--
(A.) A Nightmare to Remember
10. On the Backs of Angels
11. Breaking All Illusions
(B.) The Count of Tuscany
--encore--
13. No idea! In the Name of God?

*Maybe rotating with Wither.

I would LOVE this setup

[ResultsMayVary]

I'd love to see some new tunes make it in there besides the ones that have already been played. But I know this will happen, Mangini has said it himself.

[TAC]

Prediction for N.A. summer tour:
1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. A Rite of Passage
5. Surrounded
6. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
7. A Fortune in Lies
8. This Is The Life
9. On the Backs of Angels
10. War Inside My Head / TTTSTA
11. The Spirit Carries On
12. Breaking All Illusions
--encore--
13. The Count of Tuscany

I'd take that!

[robwebster]

Oh! This reminded me!

These Walls. We need These Walls back. Only footage is on fan club DVDs, and it's a corker of a song, with a lot of nifty drumming.

[jcmistat]

These Walls was definitely a highlight for me too. I'd love that set.

[robwebster]

Just to have it thrown in rotation would be grand, but I'm aware that the more songs get involved, the closer we are to scattered setlists again.

Plus, I'm very much looking at this from the perspective of "what would I like to see on a DVD," rather than "what would an American audience like." To which the answer would probably be "more songs they haven't seen yet." There were so many good songs played on this tour, songs that are well overdue for a DVD release and others that are well overdue for a more recent or better quality one (I'm looking at you, 6:00), and it's a crying shame that there won't be room for all of them.

Still. These Walls would be good.

[skydivingninja]

I really want a good live version of These Walls, since its one of my favorites and I wasn't able to see it in Atlanta last year.  A DVD performance would be the next best thing.

[Shadow2222]

Now that we have what could be taken as confirmation of DT's playing of Lost Not Forgotten on this upcoming tour, I have to imagine that another ADTOE song will be taken out of the set. I see OTBOA leaving to make way for the new "single" (referring to LNF's upcoming fan video, that will surely be promoted on the official website and other media).

I believe BMU, BMD will stay, and be played back-to-back with LNF, as it is on the album.

[robwebster]

Lost Not Forgotten's more likely to be swapped with Outcry, surely?

I personally can't see them dropping the flagship single. Certainly not when they're about to film a DVD. More likely to put it in rotation alongside another song of a similar approximate shape, I reckon. LNF is about the same length, comparable in the amount of instrumental acrobatics, similar tone to Outcry... so I think they'd either drop one for the other, or put one in Set A and the other in Set B. At a guess!

(Less likely, but still juuuuust about possible would be LNF as the opener - again, alternating with Bridges. It's another intro that's made for the beginning of an album. But with Inception and the Shaman and the unicyclist, I can't see it happening. They've got it too good as is. Maybe for another tour.)

[SeRoX]

If anything I really want to see Finally Free on the stage. It's been long time not to hear it. I'd like to add Disappear, if possible.

1-The Glass Prison / Bridges In The Sky
2-6:00
3-Lost Not Forgotten
4-This Is The Life
5-Build Me Up, Break Me Down / A Rite Of Passage
6-A Fortune In Lies
-----
7-Surrounded
8-A Root Of All Evil
9-Wait For Sleep - Far From Heaven / The Silent Man - Benathe The Surface
10- Breaking All Illusions
11- The Spirit Carries On / Disappear
12- Outcry
13- Finally Free
----
Encore: Learning To Live/Metropolis

[ResultsMayVary]

If anything I really want to see Finally Free on the stage. It's been long time not to hear it. I'd like to add Disappear, if possible.

1-The Glass Prison / Bridges In The Sky
2-6:00
3-Lost Not Forgotten
4-This Is The Life
5-Build Me Up, Break Me Down / A Rite Of Passage
6-A Fortune In Lies
-----
7-Surrounded
8-A Root Of All Evil
9-Wait For Sleep - Far From Heaven / The Silent Man - Benathe The Surface
10- Breaking All Illusions
11- The Spirit Carries On / Disappear
12- Outcry
13- Finally Free
----
Encore: Learning To Live/Metropolis

I'll take that. That looks fucking awesome.

[JayOctavarium]

change the encore to TCoT and I'd be happy

[RaiseTheKnife]

If anything I really want to see Finally Free on the stage. It's been long time not to hear it. I'd like to add Disappear, if possible.

I would LOVE to see Disappear in the set.   I would pass on Spirit and Metropolis, but otherwise, this set looks pretty killer.

[cosmicwxdude]

I'd be disappointed if they repeat any song from the previous US leg especially since I'm seeing them in the same venue.

But you can bet money they will so don't get your hopes up.

[ResultsMayVary]

I'd be disappointed if they repeat any song from the previous US leg especially since I'm seeing them in the same venue.

But you can bet money they will so don't get your hopes up.

They will probably only repeat the ADTOE songs if they repeat anything. Jordan said on vokle that they will have a different set for this summer.

[Shadow2222]

^ I know that the full Vokle chats were recorded and available to watch, but for the sake of time, what exactly did he say about the different set? How was the original question worded ("Will there be a different set than the last U.S. tour," "Will there be a different set than the Asian tour," etc.)