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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2010, 05:58:56 AM »
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2010, 07:10:31 AM »
What are the chances this actually escalates into war?
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2010, 07:11:15 AM »
Let the war start already! I mean, what kind of aggression is the one that determines "OK, now you've crossed it?". Kim Jong Il sending naked Christmas pictures?

I think the world got fed up with this shit and are starting to look like the kids at the lunch break shouting "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!".

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2010, 07:21:20 AM »
Time has come to invade North Korea and wipe out the Korean Workers Party regime there. Kim Jong Il should be captured and executed. North Korea can then disappear as a separate country. It should be unified with the southern part of Korea.

I'd agree, but unfortunately foreign relations are a little bit more complicated than waving your big stick around.

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2010, 07:23:27 AM »
Just saw on the news that the South Korean President said that S.K. "will unleash an enormous retaliation" if S.K. is attacked by N.K. again.

I just saw this on the news, so I don't have a link right now. Is this South Korea's usual threat that follows a North Korean attack? Or is it a legitimate South Korean warning?
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2010, 07:27:10 AM »
Just saw on the news that the South Korean President said that S.K. "will unleash an enormous retaliation" if S.K. is attacked by N.K. again.

I just saw this on the news, so I don't have a link right now. Is this South Korea's usual threat that follows a North Korean attack? Or is it a legitimate South Korean warning?
I think this is a legitimate warning. Although, how many times have we heard the old "OK, do this again and I will punch you" line?

China has already stated that they don't want any more attacks; they don't want escalation. So I guess that's it.

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2010, 07:34:23 AM »
We shall see. The ball is in N.K.'s court.
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2010, 08:15:59 AM »
Time has come to invade North Korea and wipe out the Korean Workers Party regime there. Kim Jong Il should be captured and executed. North Korea can then disappear as a separate country. It should be unified with the southern part of Korea.

I'd agree, but unfortunately foreign relations are a little bit more complicated than waving your big stick around.

 Not according to NK

https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/23/north-korea-condemned-south-korea

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An unofficial spokesman for North Korea told the Guardian that firing artillery was a "totally justifiable act of self-defence" in response to the sea drills and warned that nuclear war could follow "at any point" unless the exercises stop. Pyongyang has repeatedly issued such threats in the past.

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2010, 09:07:06 AM »
I imagine Diego Garcia is fairly busy right now.
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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2010, 09:17:02 AM »
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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2010, 09:19:10 AM »

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2010, 10:35:25 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2010, 11:28:01 AM »
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2010, 11:49:08 AM »
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2010, 01:40:08 AM »
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But yeah to sum up what the rest of the world probably thinks, picture the voice of the rest of the world saying, "What the hell man?  What the hell?" and NK is saying, "THEY STARTED IT!" followed by the rest of the world saying, "ugh. I'm getting tired of your shit man."

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2010, 09:23:27 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/24/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?hpt=T1

Basically, North Korea said South Korea pushed them to fire on them.

Bullshit, as usual, but still... This can go one of two ways: China supports North Korea, or China stays neutral. If they support the North, then it's probably bye-bye South Korea...

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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2010, 09:30:56 AM »
No.  South Korea could wipe the floor with North Korea and take on a significant part of the Chinese army by themselves.  With U.S. support, SK would come out on top in any conventional war.
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2010, 09:43:42 AM »
The United States is sending an aircraft carrier group to the region, to be followed by military drills.

I think the U.S. is getting in position to counter-attack effectively, if needed.
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« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2010, 12:38:37 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/24/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?hpt=T1

Basically, North Korea said South Korea pushed them to fire on them.

Bullshit, as usual, but still... This can go one of two ways: China supports North Korea, or China stays neutral. If they support the North, then it's probably bye-bye South Korea...

If China supported the North militarily in a war with SK then I'd be more worried about WW3 starting...   
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2010, 12:43:34 PM »
No.  South Korea could wipe the floor with North Korea and take on a significant part of the Chinese army by themselves.  With U.S. support, SK would come out on top in any conventional war.

I'm thinking more that the US would want to stay out of this conflict only because we're currently worried about Afghanistan.

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« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2010, 03:38:44 PM »
No.  South Korea could wipe the floor with North Korea and take on a significant part of the Chinese army by themselves.  With U.S. support, SK would come out on top in any conventional war.

I'm thinking more that the US would want to stay out of this conflict only because we're currently worried about Afghanistan.

The U.S. has plenty of manpower; they have a large amount located in Korea anyways.  But that's not even the point.  Not even one more U.S. boot has to touch Korean soil for the U.S. to wreck China/NK via air and naval power.
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2010, 04:57:24 PM »
No.  South Korea could wipe the floor with North Korea and take on a significant part of the Chinese army by themselves.  With U.S. support, SK would come out on top in any conventional war.

I'm thinking more that the US would want to stay out of this conflict only because we're currently worried about Afghanistan.

The U.S. has plenty of manpower; they have a large amount located in Korea anyways.  But that's not even the point.  Not even one more U.S. boot has to touch Korean soil for the U.S. to wreck China/NK via air and naval power.

I always thought that China kinda outranked us militarily. I must be mistaken then

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« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2010, 05:04:44 PM »
Manpower doesn't matter all that much in a war between two technologically advanced countries.  China could have a billion soldiers and it wouldn't make a difference.  The U.S. could beat them with one hand behind their back.
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« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2010, 05:11:16 PM »
The carrier is a pretty standard show of force.  They won't come close to any action.  It's merely there to make the North Koreans nervous (and it will).  This will go the way it always does.

No.  South Korea could wipe the floor with North Korea and take on a significant part of the Chinese army by themselves.  With U.S. support, SK would come out on top in any conventional war.

I'm thinking more that the US would want to stay out of this conflict only because we're currently worried about Afghanistan.

The U.S. has plenty of manpower; they have a large amount located in Korea anyways.  But that's not even the point.  Not even one more U.S. boot has to touch Korean soil for the U.S. to wreck China/NK via air and naval power.
North Korea isn't Iraq.  Of course the U.S. could do some real damage,  but in the process we'd take some very real casualties.  A completely different sort of hurt than the occasional F-15 pilot getting shot down over the sandbox.  That's a risk that we're not even going to consider.  Anti-ship missiles are very nasty business. 

Manpower doesn't matter all that much in a war between two technologically advanced countries.  China could have a billion soldiers and it wouldn't make a difference.  The U.S. could beat them with one hand behind their back.
That's not a good way to look at it.  It might be true (but I doubt it), but the cost would be very ugly.  Plenty of people win fights but get the absolute living shit beat out of them in the process.  Kind of a crappy tradeoff. 
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« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2010, 05:21:09 PM »
The carrier is a pretty standard show of force.  They won't come close to any action.  It's merely there to make the North Koreans nervous (and it will).  This will go the way it always does.

No.  South Korea could wipe the floor with North Korea and take on a significant part of the Chinese army by themselves.  With U.S. support, SK would come out on top in any conventional war.

I'm thinking more that the US would want to stay out of this conflict only because we're currently worried about Afghanistan.

The U.S. has plenty of manpower; they have a large amount located in Korea anyways.  But that's not even the point.  Not even one more U.S. boot has to touch Korean soil for the U.S. to wreck China/NK via air and naval power.
North Korea isn't Iraq.  Of course the U.S. could do some real damage,  but in the process we'd take some very real casualties.  A completely different sort of hurt than the occasional F-15 pilot getting shot down over the sandbox.  That's a risk that we're not even going to consider.  Anti-ship missiles are very nasty business. 

Manpower doesn't matter all that much in a war between two technologically advanced countries.  China could have a billion soldiers and it wouldn't make a difference.  The U.S. could beat them with one hand behind their back.
That's not a good way to look at it.  It might be true (but I doubt it), but the cost would be very ugly.  Plenty of people win fights but get the absolute living shit beat out of them in the process.  Kind of a crappy tradeoff. 

North Korea isn't Iraq, I agree.  They've got a slightly superior air force (although probably not any better trained), but inferior equipment for the army (somehow).  The major difference would be will to fight I suppose, but that's an unknown.  Also, at least some of Saddam's forces were combat veterans, whereas none of NK's would be.  In a conventional war, I don't believe U.S. forces would take a high rate of casualties past the first week or so.  The air power factor is simply too massively on the U.S./South Korean side.

And manpower doesn't really matter in a modern war.  Aircraft are too powerful, satellites are too pervasive, and weaponry is too accurate for a nation like NK to overwhelm the U.S. through numbers.
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2010, 06:53:17 PM »
Anyone think that the US should stay out of this? Maybe it's time to stop governing the world and trying to be in every single war.

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2010, 07:21:40 PM »
Anyone think that the US should stay out of this? Maybe it's time to stop governing the world and trying to be in every single war.

You'll get no argument from me. Doesn't the rest of the world think this of us?

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2010, 07:23:27 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2010, 07:29:51 PM »
Anyone think that the US should stay out of this? Maybe it's time to stop governing the world and trying to be in every single war.

You'll get no argument from me. Doesn't the rest of the world think this of us?
I'd say it's the general opinion over here.

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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2010, 07:33:32 PM »
Anyone think that the US should stay out of this? Maybe it's time to stop governing the world and trying to be in every single war.

You'll get no argument from me. Doesn't the rest of the world think this of us?
I'd say it's the general opinion over here.

Obviously, people over there were happy when America helped them with their dictator problems.

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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2010, 07:41:56 PM »
Anyone think that the US should stay out of this? Maybe it's time to stop governing the world and trying to be in every single war.

You'll get no argument from me. Doesn't the rest of the world think this of us?
I'd say it's the general opinion over here.

Obviously, people over there were happy when America helped them with their dictator problems.
With over there you mean where I live and with dictator problems you mean WWII?

Sure, it's great that we got some help during the second world war. That was 70 years ago and a totally different situation.

It's also not just that the general consensus seems to be that the US try to lessen it with the meddleing, it's also the fact that it seems to be unwise for the US itself to start/fight another war. It's not like the treasure chest is overflowing with money after the recent couple of invasions.

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« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2010, 07:53:35 PM »
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US itself to start/fight another war

The US wouldn't be starting anything. The US would be handling (yet another) extremely obvious problem that the rest of the world doesn't seem to want to do anything about.

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2010, 08:09:12 PM »
Anyone think that the US should stay out of this? Maybe it's time to stop governing the world and trying to be in every single war.

You'll get no argument from me. Doesn't the rest of the world think this of us?
I'd say it's the general opinion over here.
Obviously, people over there were happy when America helped them with their dictator problems.
That doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do.

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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2010, 08:24:22 PM »
Anyone think that the US should stay out of this? Maybe it's time to stop governing the world and trying to be in every single war.

You'll get no argument from me. Doesn't the rest of the world think this of us?
I'd say it's the general opinion over here.
Obviously, people over there were happy when America helped them with their dictator problems.
That doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do.

Why not? A weak and ridiculous nation is showing signs of aggression against your allies. A nation where they're building a fence between themselves and their closest allies-- China-- because people actually flee North Korea to go to China and China perceives this as a problem.  A nation where people starve every time the government's "food distribution program" fails. My god, I feel bad for the people who've got the unlucky lot of being born in that country.
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Re: Tension Between North Korea and South Korea
« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2010, 08:48:15 PM »
What's the point? The US help to start this war when it didn't have to. WWII was over... "we must prevent the Communism expansion". You idiots! Communist nations are proven to fail like a charm if you don't mess with them and let them do their mistakes over and over.

Also, why does the US always sends aid to NK? They are the enemy of your ally, right? PC, the US has only proven that they feed their enemies so one day they can confront them. We have a saying here: ustedes cazan peleas.
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