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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1050 on: July 05, 2016, 06:48:54 AM »
Joey Vera interview:

https://www.joelgausten.com/2016/07/a-new-flight-joey-vera-on-fates.html


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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1051 on: July 05, 2016, 08:24:05 AM »
My Jim Matheos rankings since the year 2000:

1. A Twist of Fate
2. Disconnected
3. Office of Strategic Influence
4. Theories of Flight
5. Sympathetic Resonance
6. FWX

This is a cool thing, and you're a cool person for having done it.

My top Matheos since 2000:

5. Disconnected
4. Free
3. Sympathetic Resonance
2. Theories of Flight
1. Office of Strategic Influence

And this really shows how great Jim is, considering how Darkness, and A Twist of Fate would easily make my cut for many other composers, especially ones as far into their career.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1052 on: July 05, 2016, 08:36:10 AM »
I have only listened to this once so far, but I am REALLY liking it.  Early standouts are The Ghosts of Home and White Flag. 
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1053 on: July 05, 2016, 11:19:29 AM »
Jim Matheos rankings since 2000:

1. Fire Make Thunder
2. Theories of Flight
3. Sympathetic Resonance
4. Free
5. Blood
6. Office of Strategic Influence
7. Disconnected
8. FWX
9. Darkness in a Different Light

Those top 3 are very fluid and could easily change from one day to the next.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1054 on: July 05, 2016, 11:45:55 AM »
Can stop listening to this one.  My AOTY right now  :metal

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1055 on: July 05, 2016, 12:21:53 PM »
Can stop listening to this one.  My AOTY right now  :metal

+1 on this. Took over Haken's #1 spot for me.

Even the acoustic bonus cd is unreal.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1056 on: July 05, 2016, 03:27:40 PM »
Really cool interview with Jim Matheos. More extensive than we usually see from him. He comments on the quality of Ray's vocals:
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I think a lot of that has to do with him writing a lot more of the lyrics, writing more melody lines, so he has that conviction behind it as well. It’s always hard for a singer. I think he does a really good job but I think it’s hard for a singer to sing other people’s lyrics and melody lines. A lot of times that conviction does’t come across. Him doing it this time, most of the stuff was his. That comes across a little more.

https://fateswarning.com/2016/07/01/goldmine-magazine-interview-with-jim-matheos-07012016/

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1057 on: July 05, 2016, 05:17:59 PM »
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GM: And Ray (Alder) sounds as strong and melodic as he did on “No Exit.”
JM: Yeah, I think he did a great job on this. For some reason he’s been hitting the real sweet spots. He always sounds good — he had a rough patch in maybe the early 2000s — but I know him really well and he’s not doing anything different. He hasn’t like started taking care of himself. Ray is Ray. He hasn’t changed in a long time. He’s just hit a sweet spot. These songs really resonated with him and to me this is one of his best performances ever. He sounds great on this record.

Well this is a bit sad to hear but glad that Ray has managed to remain sounding so good.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1058 on: July 05, 2016, 05:30:43 PM »
Really nice interview though.  I like it when an interviewer deviates from script a little bit and asks follow-up questions when something interesting is said.  This guy did that, and it was great. 
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1059 on: July 06, 2016, 08:01:11 AM »
Can stop listening to this one.  My AOTY right now  :metal

+1 on this. Took over Haken's #1 spot for me.

Even the acoustic bonus cd is unreal.


oooh, I'll have to spin that one up.   Haven't tried it yet.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1060 on: July 06, 2016, 08:07:35 AM »
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GM: And Ray (Alder) sounds as strong and melodic as he did on “No Exit.”
JM: Yeah, I think he did a great job on this. For some reason he’s been hitting the real sweet spots. He always sounds good — he had a rough patch in maybe the early 2000s — but I know him really well and he’s not doing anything different. He hasn’t like started taking care of himself. Ray is Ray. He hasn’t changed in a long time. He’s just hit a sweet spot. These songs really resonated with him and to me this is one of his best performances ever. He sounds great on this record.

Well this is a bit sad to hear but glad that Ray has managed to remain sounding so good.


Given all that I know about how careless he's been when it comes to taking care of himself and his gift it's remarkable to me that he sounds this good after everything he's been through.  I had a feeling these were his melodies and lyrics because they are vaguely remeniscent of Redemption (I mean that in a good way). 


Matheos is definitely right about one thing - it's really hard to sing someone else's lyrics and melodies with the kind of conviction that the author intended.  He's right that Ray's personal connection with these lyrics are the spark that made the difference between a good album and a great album. 

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1061 on: July 06, 2016, 09:18:56 AM »
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GM: And Ray (Alder) sounds as strong and melodic as he did on “No Exit.”
JM: Yeah, I think he did a great job on this. For some reason he’s been hitting the real sweet spots. He always sounds good — he had a rough patch in maybe the early 2000s — but I know him really well and he’s not doing anything different. He hasn’t like started taking care of himself. Ray is Ray. He hasn’t changed in a long time. He’s just hit a sweet spot. These songs really resonated with him and to me this is one of his best performances ever. He sounds great on this record.

Well this is a bit sad to hear but glad that Ray has managed to remain sounding so good.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think of Jim's comments there, because Ray has to be doing something different. His voice really took a turn for the worse back in 2010/2011 (as shown on Redemption's This Mortal Coil) and then from 2012 onward, Ray's voice seems to have been growing progressively stronger again.

You don't go from where Ray was vocally five years ago to where he is now on Theories of Flight without making some sort of change.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1062 on: July 06, 2016, 10:53:47 AM »
My top 5 Jim records since 2000:

1. Free
2. Theories of Flight
3. Disconnected
4. Fire Make Thunder
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1063 on: July 06, 2016, 11:32:16 AM »
My top Jim records since 2000:

1. Theories of Flight
2. Fire Make Thunder
3. Disconnected
4. FWX
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1064 on: July 06, 2016, 11:43:04 AM »
Honestly, I'm not sure what to think of Jim's comments there, because Ray has to be doing something different. His voice really took a turn for the worse back in 2010/2011 (as shown on Redemption's This Mortal Coil) and then from 2012 onward, Ray's voice seems to have been growing progressively stronger again.

You don't go from where Ray was vocally five years ago to where he is now on Theories of Flight without making some sort of change.
Maybe his wife has been a good influence on him?

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1065 on: July 06, 2016, 01:06:38 PM »
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???




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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1066 on: July 06, 2016, 01:19:45 PM »
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???

Yeah, I don't see the struggle in the studio releases. The live releases on the other hand, Ray struggles quite a bit. When I saw them in the Darkness tour he actually sang pretty well (better than the Redemption live releases).

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1067 on: July 06, 2016, 01:31:47 PM »
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???

I thought the same thing. I love that album!
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1068 on: July 06, 2016, 01:42:34 PM »
I haven't enjoyed a Redemption album since The Origins of Ruin :(

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1069 on: July 06, 2016, 02:19:18 PM »
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???

Ray just sounds really thin and dry at times on that album, I think. Especially on the cover for Edge of the Blade.

That's not to say the album is bad or that Ray was awful on it- It's just the album that always stood out in my head as being Ray's low-point. Seriously, compare Ray's performance there to Snowfall on Judgement Day, Darkness in a Different Light, Art of Loss and especially to Theories of Flight. There's something amiss on This Mortal Coil that isn't there on the other albums.

However, and I didn't think of this possibility beforehand, but it could be more that his performance on the album was hindered more by the weird production than by his actual voice at the time.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1070 on: July 06, 2016, 04:55:13 PM »
This new album is fucking amazing.  It's absolute quality and refreshing to hear an album of such creativity, originality and basically something perfectly written, well thought out and performed.  So much new music these days is just becoming more and more bland, generic and lacks the passion and drive to create something that deserves attention and multiple listens.  This album you can just feel the work and heart that has gone into it, well done Jim, Ray and co, a brilliant piece of music from start to finish.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1071 on: July 06, 2016, 04:56:53 PM »
This new album is fucking amazing.  It's absolute quality and refreshing to hear an album of such creativity, originality and basically something perfectly written, well thought out and performed.  So much new music these days is just becoming more and more bland, generic and lacks the passion and drive to create something that deserves attention and multiple listens.  This album you can just feel the work and heart that has gone into it, well done Jim, Ray and co, a brilliant piece of music from start to finish.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1072 on: July 06, 2016, 07:05:12 PM »
I haven't enjoyed a Redemption album since The Origins of Ruin :(

I love The origins of Ruin.   :metal

I have never listened to Fates Warning, but listened to Theories of Flight on youtube and will be buying soon.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1073 on: July 06, 2016, 07:11:53 PM »
After the new Redemption and now the new Fates Warning, I'm seriously thinking Ray could be my favorite singer.  He does a phenomenal job on Theories of Flight!!!!

Theories of Flight is hands down my favorite FW album.  I didn't think I'd ever enjoy a FW album as much as a Redemption album, but this is close.

And, The Light and Shade of Things is my favorite FW song of all time.  It is such a masterpiece.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1074 on: July 07, 2016, 05:16:35 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1075 on: July 07, 2016, 05:45:27 AM »
Jim Matheos interviewed by The Prog Report
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1076 on: July 07, 2016, 05:58:01 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Not for me, no. While it's still a nice tune, The Ghosts of Home is still my least favourite song from the album. But hey, great to see some people love this song, just shows how tastes work sometimes.

The Light and Shade of Things though... this could be indeed the best thing the band has ever done, in my opinion.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1077 on: July 07, 2016, 06:02:27 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Not for me, no. While it's still a nice tune, The Ghosts of Home is still my least favourite song from the album. But hey, great to see some people love this song, just shows how tastes work sometimes.

The Light and Shade of Things though... this could be indeed the best thing the band has ever done, in my opinion.

The Light and Shade is middle tier at the moment but is growing.  Shows the strength of this brilliant album.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1078 on: July 07, 2016, 06:58:23 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1079 on: July 07, 2016, 07:09:29 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1080 on: July 07, 2016, 08:17:59 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Funny you should say that.  I was just sitting listening to it in my car in the parking lot and could not turn it off.  Such a good song.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1081 on: July 07, 2016, 08:26:47 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
It reminds me the overall music style of OSI, not a specific song. I don't think OSI music is too far of FW style, aka Disconnected. Also I like OSI much more than Chroma Key, which has much more " noise" music.
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« Reply #1082 on: July 07, 2016, 08:29:18 AM »
Just stopping in to say The Light and Shade of Things is really a spectacular song.

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« Reply #1083 on: July 07, 2016, 09:24:08 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Funny you should say that.  I was just sitting listening to it in my car in the parking lot and could not turn it off.  Such a good song.

I absolutely love the song from the 7 min mark towards the 8:42. Just a gorgeous beautiful passage.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1084 on: July 07, 2016, 11:28:42 AM »
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
The whole first minute of the song sounds EXACTLY like OSI, because Jim and Kevin use radio samples like that a lot.

And as always, Jim's riffs are largely pretty similar in both bands.
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