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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #980 on: June 29, 2016, 09:06:52 AM »
My review of TOF is finally out! :)

As for my ranking, it looks like this (haven't listened to the Arch albums, because I don't like his voice):

1. Theories of Flight
2. Disconnected
3. Parallels
4. APSOG
5. DIADL
6. Inside Out
7. FWX
8. Perfect Symmetry
9. No Exit

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #981 on: June 29, 2016, 02:28:10 PM »
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.
Everyone else, except Wolfking is wrong.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #982 on: June 29, 2016, 03:07:58 PM »
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.

This is sounding like one of the greatest albums ever!

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #983 on: June 29, 2016, 04:01:47 PM »
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.

This is sounding like one of the greatest albums ever!

No kidding.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #984 on: June 29, 2016, 04:39:36 PM »
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.

This is sounding like one of the greatest albums ever!

No kidding.

I'm admittedly biased, since Fates Warning is one of my absolute favorite bands ever, but Theories of Flight definitely feels like an album that's going to be recognized as a classic in the years to come. Definitely one of the best works to ever come from the band, if not their absolute best (and I think it may very well be)! 
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #985 on: June 30, 2016, 05:29:12 AM »
My review of TOF is finally out! :)

As for my ranking, it looks like this (haven't listened to the Arch albums, because I don't like his voice):

1. Theories of Flight
2. Disconnected
3. Parallels
4. APSOG
5. DIADL
6. Inside Out
7. FWX
8. Perfect Symmetry
9. No Exit

Enjoyed your review.  I hope this album does great things for the band - they deserve it

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #986 on: June 30, 2016, 05:47:02 AM »
I'm obviously not a huge Arch fan -  Brocken just had a couple of songs I really liked in an early Queensryche sorta style and to me his voice was a bit better controlled than on the later albums.    The more modern Alder albums are quality but nothing really stands out to me.   That's why Theories is so refreshing - it has an energy that they have been missing for a long time.

APSOG is an interesting one, and I know it's highly regarded around here.   I think when it comes down to it , I come at this more from a metal and melody perspective (as a priority) and the prog is nice if the first two click and it all works as a unit.    I am a bit the same with DT -  I&W was #2 all time in my DTF Top 50 but I rarely feel the need to listen to ToT or SC as I get prog fatigue and not enough structure/melody.   I also really struggle with concept albums that are missing strong individual songs - or albums where I feel the concept is forcing the lyrics/melodies to places they may not naturally go.   I don't subscribe to the idea of "you need to listen to it as a whole ".   If I don't like the individual songs then it ain't happenin' for me with the concept and , as such , I also rank SFAM lower than most in the DTF list.

The thing that stood out for me on APSOG was Zonder's drumming and I am not normally one to notice drummers :D

So hey..........it's just me :lol

No, it's not just you. I actually think APSOG is bloated and way overrated. I do think there are a few excellent songs on it though. But I can never remember what "Part" they are! :lol On my iPod, I think I renamed them to a line in the song.
My top three are "
"We're Not Children Anymore"
"Where You Are (I Am)
"Do You Think That I"
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I've always had trouble with Arch's vocals. Those albums just sound like a garage band full of fans of Maiden and Queensryche. I feel like if the ever rerecorded them with the Arch/Matheos lineup, they'd be great.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #987 on: June 30, 2016, 09:20:57 AM »
I still am baffled how little talk about A Twist of Fate there is.

I would put it as the best thing Matheos and Arch have done the last 15 years.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #988 on: June 30, 2016, 10:11:56 AM »

No, it's not just you. I actually think APSOG is bloated and way overrated. I do think there are a few excellent songs on it though. But I can never remember what "Part" they are! :lol On my iPod, I think I renamed them to a line in the song.
My top three are "
"We're Not Children Anymore"
"Where You Are (I Am)
"Do You Think That I"
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I kind of feel like that with the studio version but the live version is way better. So much energy in APSOG. Sutdio version feels very sterile.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #989 on: June 30, 2016, 10:54:42 AM »
Ok, not the worlds biggest FW fan here (more a casual fan) but this sounds like a winner from first listen. Very nice, and love the vocals - something I can't say of Arch Mattheos.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #990 on: June 30, 2016, 10:27:43 PM »
"Spinning" the new album now!  :metal

Jim stepped outside of his usual box a few times on this one. SOS is where it stood out to me the most.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #991 on: July 01, 2016, 02:40:45 AM »
"Spinning" the new album now!  :metal

Jim stepped outside of his usual box a few times on this one. SOS is where it stood out to me the most.
SOS and Light and Shade are probably my favourites, but really it's strong all the way through.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #992 on: July 01, 2016, 02:45:01 AM »
Yup, a really great album.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #993 on: July 01, 2016, 03:31:20 AM »
I still am baffled how little talk about A Twist of Fate there is.

I would put it as the best thing Matheos and Arch have done the last 15 years.

Only two songs, but holy shit did they nail it!!! Relentless is one of my all-time favorites.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #994 on: July 01, 2016, 05:29:19 AM »
Well, now that its actually out, I can enjoy what everyone else has been talking about. I don't really feel like its a masterpiece, but it is really decent. The only song I don't really like is SOS. Everything else is really good though.

I do love the alternate version of seven stars and white flag is badass  :metal
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #995 on: July 01, 2016, 07:29:01 AM »
Listening to the new album now... Not a big Fates fan, but my curiosity has been peaked by the glowing reviews in this thread.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #996 on: July 01, 2016, 07:45:21 AM »
Listening to the new album now... Not a big Fates fan, but my curiosity has been peaked by the glowing reviews in this thread.
Piqued?
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #997 on: July 01, 2016, 08:16:05 AM »
This album may end up being my favorite Fates Warning album ever.  It's fucking magnificent.  :o


I was absolutely sure that Ray Alder did not have another performance like this in him but holy shit does he carry this album on his back or what?  Everything about this one just clicks right into place.  The riffs, the guitar tone, the drums, the melodies, all of it just blended into a nice big fat juicy sonic feast  :hat


This album is nothing like "Darkness In a Different Light" which I liked, but wasn't crazy about.  It reminds me more of "Disconnected" - another album of theirs that I liked, but wished it had some guitar solos in it.  This album feels like it could have followed "Disconnected."  And holy shit the guitar solos on this album some of the best Matheos has ever done.  Man, he knows exactly when to shred and when to pull back.  Incredible musician.  Incredible album.  Didn't expect this at all. 

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #998 on: July 01, 2016, 08:26:43 AM »
I wish I had a way to pick it up today.  I will have to wait until next week.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #999 on: July 01, 2016, 08:27:15 AM »
Can't wait to get home to down load this.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1000 on: July 01, 2016, 08:33:05 AM »
Listening to the new album now... Not a big Fates fan, but my curiosity has been peaked by the glowing reviews in this thread.
Piqued?

 :lol Nicely done, my mistake.

BTW, I really, really like this album so far, almost 3/4 of the way through it.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1001 on: July 01, 2016, 08:38:20 AM »
Common mistake.  And common pet peeve of mine (along with using "jive" instead of "jibe," or "would of" instead of "would have"), so I continue my crusade to right the wrongs of Internet word mis-usage.  :borlag:
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1002 on: July 01, 2016, 08:53:21 AM »
Common mistake.  And common pet peeve of mine (along with using "jive" instead of "jibe," or "would of" instead of "would have"), so I continue my crusade to right the wrongs of Internet word mis-usage.  :borlag:

Haha. I really enjoyed Theories of Flight, any recommendations as to where I should head in their discography next?

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1003 on: July 01, 2016, 09:32:24 AM »
This album may end up being my favorite Fates Warning album ever.  It's fucking magnificent.  :o


I was absolutely sure that Ray Alder did not have another performance like this in him but holy shit does he carry this album on his back or what?  Everything about this one just clicks right into place.  The riffs, the guitar tone, the drums, the melodies, all of it just blended into a nice big fat juicy sonic feast  :hat


This album is nothing like "Darkness In a Different Light" which I liked, but wasn't crazy about.  It reminds me more of "Disconnected" - another album of theirs that I liked, but wished it had some guitar solos in it.  This album feels like it could have followed "Disconnected."  And holy shit the guitar solos on this album some of the best Matheos has ever done.  Man, he knows exactly when to shred and when to pull back.  Incredible musician.  Incredible album.  Didn't expect this at all.

Kirk

The slow solos are played mostly by Matheos. The shredding/fast solos are played (in this record) by Frank Aresti and Mike Abdow (on one song I think).  But Jim's solos have always been very tasteful.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1004 on: July 01, 2016, 10:28:43 AM »
I wasn't aware of that.  But now that you mention it I'll be listening for the two guitars next time I spin it.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1005 on: July 01, 2016, 10:52:58 AM »
I wasn't aware of that.  But now that you mention it I'll be listening for the two guitars next time I spin it.
If you watch the "White Flag" play-through on Youtube, you'll probably be able to get a good feel for who's who. By order of appearance: Matheos, Abdow, Aresti.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1006 on: July 01, 2016, 12:47:25 PM »
I'll have to pick it up tommorow. Most stores are closed today for Canada Day

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1007 on: July 01, 2016, 01:37:40 PM »
It's currently the best-selling album in Amazon's hard rock and metal category. Couldn't happen to a more deserving band!

Link: https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Music-Metal/zgbs/music/67207/ref=zg_bs_nav_m_1_m
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1008 on: July 01, 2016, 02:52:43 PM »
Looks like I should be able to pick this up instore today.

Is the bonus cd worth while? I'm not that fussed with it.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1009 on: July 01, 2016, 02:55:25 PM »
On my first listen right now.

 
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1010 on: July 01, 2016, 06:22:22 PM »
Looks like I should be able to pick this up instore today.

Is the bonus cd worth while? I'm not that fussed with it.

Gave it a listen nothing to make me want to go back again.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1011 on: July 01, 2016, 07:15:38 PM »
Looks like I should be able to pick this up instore today.

Is the bonus cd worth while? I'm not that fussed with it.

I'd say it's worth getting the bonus disc. My favorite version of Firefly is on it.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1012 on: July 01, 2016, 09:44:41 PM »
I have not been able to find the 1CD edition anywhere online. I bought the 2CD digipack but wanted an additional copy.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1013 on: July 02, 2016, 02:53:58 AM »
My review of TOF is finally out! :)

As for my ranking, it looks like this (haven't listened to the Arch albums, because I don't like his voice):

1. Theories of Flight
2. Disconnected
3. Parallels
4. APSOG
5. DIADL
6. Inside Out
7. FWX
8. Perfect Symmetry
9. No Exit

Enjoyed your review.  I hope this album does great things for the band - they deserve it
Thanks! :tup And yeah, this album deserves to be big.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1014 on: July 02, 2016, 04:34:53 AM »
The Light and Shade of Things... What a fucking masterpiece!