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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1715 on: August 18, 2018, 09:22:48 AM »
We've been talking about it in the Arch/Matheos thread!  :metal

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1716 on: August 18, 2018, 08:53:19 PM »
From the Arch/Matheos Metalblade Facebook page:


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Arch / Matheos re-signs with Metal Blade Records; begins work on new album

Metal Blade Records has proudly re-signed Arch/Matheos for a worldwide deal!
Arch/Matheos began as a reunion between founding Fates Warning members John Arch (vocals) and Jim Matheos (guitar), who hadn't collaborated since John Arch's solo EP, A Twist Of Fate (2003) - and hadn't fully collaborated for a whole album since Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian (1986). In 2010, the duo began working on a record together and brought along three Fates Warning members to the fold. The five members would in turn release their debut album Sympathetic Resonance in 2011, under the name Arch/Matheos.
Since then, John Arch and Jim Matheos have kept busy with their other projects - but now the time has come for them to join forces once again, for a new Arch/Matheos release, due out 2019 via Metal Blade Records.

John Arch comments: "The desire and commitment from both of us is first and foremost, but the impetus to move forward with another A/M project fell in good part on how well 'Sympathetic Resonance' was received, and how the fans have continued to show their support through a variety of mediums, stating they would like a follow-up effort. The timing for Jim and I seems to be right and things are coming along nicely. We look forward to sharing the results with you soon!"

Jim Matheos adds: "It's great to be working with my old friend John Arch again. We push each other creatively in ways that brings out the best in both of us, I think. We've come up with what I hope is a worthy successor to 'Sympathetic Resonance', and a great lineup of musicians to help us bring it to fruition."

Already featuring special guests Thomas Lang, Bobby Jarzombek, Baard Kolstad, Mark Zonder, Matt Lynch, Steve Di Giorgio, Joey Vera, Sean Malone, Joe DiBiase, and Frank Aresti - with more to come! - this upcoming Arch/Matheos album is currently being tracked, with Jens Bogren (Fates Warning, Opeth, Devin Townsend, etc.) handling mixing duties in November. Stay tuned for more news coming soon!

Ray Alder had told me that in one of the interviews I did with him a couple of weeks ago, but asked that it would be removed from the interview, because it was too soon to mention that to the press. And regarding other members of the band, let's just say they won't be quiet waiting for Arch/Matheos to record and tour. Some of them are recording things already, and that's why when I asked about a new FW album, Ray said in the last intervew,  "IF we have one".

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1717 on: August 18, 2018, 09:18:06 PM »
I've met Jim a few times now, and there is one thing I can say for certain.....he is an *extremely* private man.   

Jim strikes me as the kind of guy who is an artist, but also a business man.   In other words, I don't think he lets the other people he's working with know what he is up to.   If Kevin's available, he works on OSI.  If John's available, he does Arch/Matheos.  If he gets a whim, he might do a solo album.  Then the next time there is an opening in the schedule, he does an FW album.    He just likes to stay busy and call the shots, and let everyone else know that the next time he has a spot in his schedule, he will call them.     He runs his business, and he calls in the hired guns he needs to do the product he's feeling at that point in his life.   From the POV of the hired guns, I can understand how that might be frustrating.  But honestly, I don't think it's personal with Jim.   He's just in complete control of what artistic project he's going to do next.

Of course, this is all speculation....I could be wrong.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1718 on: August 19, 2018, 08:21:34 AM »
This has been in the works for a while. I asked Jim what’s next for him after the ToF last US leg and told me he was working on secret project.

I think FW will release something maybe late next year or 2020. The band gained massive momentum on the ToF release. I dont think Jim will let the momentum die as like in the FWX release cycle were it took them many years to tour  and released Darkness.

I do think he is looking for an artistic break from FW and this could mean this Arch Matheos album and possibly another OSI or post-rock album..and then after that he would get in Fates writing mode.

Also, keep in mind that Jim has been in prog metal mode for some time and maybe he wants to switch gears a bit with the next Fates release since the 1st Arch Matheos was intended to be a FW album. Maybe this A/M will be a but different musically.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1719 on: September 10, 2018, 10:41:41 AM »
Just got Live Over Europe over the weekend.  I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole thing yet, but just from disk 1:  Wow!  Great performance.  Even the older songs that I don't really care for sound great.  And I have no problem with editing together different shows to make it sound like one continuous live show.  One of my earliest live album purchases, Scorpions' World Wide Live, was that format (although with the addition of lots of studio touch-ups, if I'm not mistaken).  This just sounds great, and is a very good selection of songs.  The lack of any liner notes whatsoever is a bit strange, but whatever.  I'm really glad to have a solid live release from these guys, finally (I still need to go back and find that live in Athens release from a little while back).
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1720 on: September 10, 2018, 10:50:10 AM »
That's weird, bosk. My edition has a stapled in booklet with photos and liner notes.


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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1721 on: September 10, 2018, 11:06:34 AM »
Oh, actually mine does have that page.  Sorry.  The pages sort of stuck together and I didn't realize that was there.  I thought it was only pics. 

Just went through the tracks and kind of spot-checked the album representation.  If I am not missing something, looks like a pretty good representation of most of their albums, with only the first three not being represented.  And I LOVE that X, Darkness, and Theories have a total of 9 songs.  As I've mentioned, I am pretty far from the "typical" Fates Warning fan in that, while I could say I liked the odd song or two per album through the years, nothing every really grabbed me up until X.  My fandom is really centered mostly around their three most recent albums.  So this is a great live collection for me.

On another note, I love how heavy these songs all sound on this release.  Even songs that I don't necessarily think of us heavy just seem to have a lot more oomph and edge to them.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1722 on: September 10, 2018, 11:49:30 AM »
That's due in large part to Mike Abdow translating keyboard parts to guitar, along with Bobby's more metal style. It was a great tour. Really fortunate to see two gigs on the last leg, and three total over the last two album tour cycles.

And personally, I am also very glad the covered the last three albums well on this. I love the old stuff, but I also very much love the new stuff. Some of my all-time favorite FW songs are from the last three records, with a few captured here (although I still wish they would have included One Thousand Fires).

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« Reply #1723 on: September 10, 2018, 12:15:28 PM »
I wish they had done more from DiaDL and less from Parallels.  "I Am" and "Into the Black" are killer.  I also wish they had done "Falling Further" instead of "Falling" (and, frankly, I wish "Falling Further" had been the album track and "Falling" the bonus cut).

All that said, getting a live version of "And Yet It Moves" is, by itself, almost worth the price of admission, and including "Monument" and "Pale Fire" makes this a real treat.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1724 on: September 10, 2018, 01:10:14 PM »
I wish they had done more from DiaDL and less from Parallels.  "I Am" and "Into the Black" are killer.  I also wish they had done "Falling Further" instead of "Falling" (and, frankly, I wish "Falling Further" had been the album track and "Falling" the bonus cut).

All that said, getting a live version of "And Yet It Moves" is, by itself, almost worth the price of admission, and including "Monument" and "Pale Fire" makes this a real treat.

P - I was really lucky. I saw them soundcheck AYIM in San Diego, in prep for the tour. It was funny as hell, because out walks Ray, and he had to look up the lyrics on his phone. LOL. Check it out:

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1725 on: September 10, 2018, 06:19:09 PM »
Great video, Sam.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1726 on: October 16, 2018, 11:42:36 AM »
Live Over Europe continues to get a lot of play here.  As I said above, I love the heaviness of these songs--even the ones that do not sound quite as heavy on their respective albums. 

There is ONE place I note where mix does them a bit of a disservice, and that is where that odd groove/breakdown starts at 4:21.  On the album, the main guitar that plays the groovy riff (I am assuming it is Jim, but I don't know for sure) takes the forefront, and the second guitar that is just strumming the same chord on the offbeat is much lower in the mix, which turns the focus to the groove.  Here, they are equally mixed, which makes them clash and makes that part sound a-rhythmic.  But that's a nitpick and just one of those things that can't easily be helped in a live performance.

Overall, this is SUCH a great release.  More and more these days, bands seem to be putting out some really great live albums.  This one certainly joins those ranks.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1727 on: October 16, 2018, 11:53:43 AM »
On Disconnected, Jim played all the guitars, so yeah, regarding "One" on the album, that's Jim on both guitars.

I love the different sound the songs have on Live Over Europe when featuring two guitars instead of a guitar and keyboards. Not that it is better, per se, but I really like it. Particularly live it really helps the energy. It has been a couple of months since I listened to Fates. I played so much Fates in 2017 and 2018, I wanted to expand a bit more. But will be coming back to Live Over Europe again soon.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1728 on: October 16, 2018, 12:14:22 PM »
On Disconnected, Jim played all the guitars, so yeah, regarding "One" on the album, that's Jim on both guitars.

Sorry--I edited that first sentence a couple of times and realize now that I left off the name of the song I was talking about.  It's From the Rooftops.  You know that weird groove in the middle of the song with the changing drum pattern every couple of bars?  That is one of my favorite Fates moments of all time.  But it only works because the mix properly highlights the proper instrument during all those disparate and changing parts, and also properly downplays the others so that they are clearly supporting.  With both guitars and the drums up equally in the live mix, it makes that section just sound like a mess, which is a shame since it's such an amazing composition.  But, again, in the context of such an overall amazing live performance, it's a minor gripe.  But hopefully, my gripe is a bit clearer now.  :)
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1729 on: October 16, 2018, 12:34:49 PM »
Pretty sure all the guitar tracks on the record, except a few of the solos as indicated, are all Jim.

That's generally how FW works post-Inside Out. Jim does all the guitars, except for when Frank, or Mike does a solo. Then obviously that solo portion of the track is them (and I believe on One Thousand Fires, on Darkness, Frank actually does the rhythm underneath his solo, as he wrote that entire solo section, not just the solo).

But all the rhythms are Jim.

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« Reply #1730 on: October 17, 2018, 05:15:20 AM »
Pretty sure all the guitar tracks on the record, except a few of the solos as indicated, are all Jim.

That's generally how FW works post-Inside Out. Jim does all the guitars, except for when Frank, or Mike does a solo. Then obviously that solo portion of the track is them (and I believe on One Thousand Fires, on Darkness, Frank actually does the rhythm underneath his solo, as he wrote that entire solo section, not just the solo).

But all the rhythms are Jim.

Spot on.  I wouldn't be surprised even if Jim did a majority of the rhythm guitars on Inside Out and Parallels.  Nothing to base that on though.

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1731 on: October 29, 2018, 12:15:47 PM »
So pumped to have Fates touring the U.S. again in March 2019, even if it is an opening slot. I'm guessing they'll get 40-45 minutes on most nights.

Given the killer headline runs in recent years, I wonder how these shorter shows will change the setlist. The longer songs will be cut, for sure. But I am hoping that means they'll vary things up a bit and dive back a bit into the catalog. It was certainly cool hearing how they did "Silent Cries" on Live Over Europe. I thought it sounded pretty good in a lower key. I hope they bring that back regularly for this new tour.

I'd also like to see a few things from FWX get spotlighted, and fingers crossed that "White Flag" makes its way into the set.

I'm going to see two shows on the tour, so hoping for some variety.  :metal

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« Reply #1732 on: October 29, 2018, 05:02:47 PM »
Yeah I'm stoked!

1st Minnesota concert for Fates Warning since May 5th, 2001 when I ran into Jim Matheos at the Lee Ann Chin's next door and he helped my friend get in even though he was under 21.

18 years ago.

March 02 - Orlando, Fla. @ The Plaza Live
March 03 - Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. @ Culture Room
March 05 - Atlanta, Ga. @ Masquerade
March 07 - Baltimore, Md. @ Sound Stage*
March 08 - Uncasville, Conn. @ Mohegan Sun^
March 09 - New York, N.Y. @ Irving Plaza*
March 10 - Worcester, Mass. @ Palladium*
March 12 - Cincinnati, Ohio @ Bogarts
March 13 - Detroit, Mich. @ Diesel
March 14 - Chicago, Ill. @ Concord
March 15 - Milwaukee, Wis. @ The Rave
March 16 - Medina, Minn. @ Medina Entertainment Center
March 17 - Davenport, Iowa @ Rhythm City Casino Resort^
March 20 - Dallas, Texas @ House of Blues
March 21 - Houston, Texas @ House of Blues
March 22 - San Antonio, Texas @ Aztec
March 23 - Albuquerque, N.M. @ El Rey
March 26 - Tempe, Ariz. @ The Marquee
March 27 - San Diego, Calif. @ Observatory
March 28 - Los Angeles, Calif. @ Fonda
March 29 - San Francisco, Calif. @ Slim's
March 30 - Sacramento, Calif. @ Ace of Spades
April 2 - Portland, Ore. @ Crystal Ballroom
April 3 - Seattle, Wash. @ Neptune

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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1733 on: October 30, 2018, 08:12:02 AM »
Yeah I'm stoked!

1st Minnesota concert for Fates Warning since May 5th, 2001 when I ran into Jim Matheos at the Lee Ann Chin's next door and he helped my friend get in even though he was under 21.

18 years ago.

Dude, they are playing so great the last few years. I think Bobby has given them a heavier groove, which while I would say isn't "better" than Mark Zonder (I love Mark's style), it certainly holds its own and makes the band thump a bit more. Ray has been sounding really good. And Mike Abdow -- dude is a great guitarist and even a nicer guy. Going to be a fun run of Fates!

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« Reply #1734 on: October 31, 2018, 10:03:15 AM »
I really like Bobby's drumming in general and am thrilled with what he brings to the table in Fates.  I couldn't say he is "better" either, but he is definitely one of my favorite drummers, and anything he plays on ends up sounding really heavy and complex, due in large part to his playing. 

And I will say again that disk 1 of Live Over Europe is just about flawless, other than the part I mentioned in the middle of From the Rooftops.
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Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
« Reply #1735 on: October 31, 2018, 11:47:07 AM »
For those near Sellersville, Pa., Fates Warning is playing a headline gig on March 8!

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The legendary metal band Fates Warning began in the early 1980s playing the traditional style of heavy metal that was largely popular, earning them legions of dedicated fans. They quickly adopted a more technically proficient style influenced by Rush and are considered by many to be the first true prog-metal band. While the band has moved in a more melodic and ambient direction, they remain a vibrant and well respected cornerstone for the prog camp within the heavy metal strata. This is only your second chance to see Fates Warning in Sellersville, don’t miss it!