Islamic community center to go up near New York's ground zero

[rumborak]

I somehow also have the suspicion that the people who get all riled up are somewhere sitting in some tiny hamlet hundreds of miles away from Ground Zero. There's nothing better than getting riled up about something that will in no way whatsoever affect you. (gay marriage, anyone?)

rumborak

[El JoNNo]

That doesn't make sense.  How can you be for religious freedom, but be against the building of a house of worship on private property?  Just because you have a soured view toward religion doesn't mean other people shouldn't be allowed to practice in peace.

I’m for religious freedom but against religion. Not really sure how that doesn’t make sense. I’m also against the uneducated, that doesn’t mean I want make post-secondary mandatory or that I hate the people who are uneducated. That would be stupid.
 

Actually, I really like the concept of this project in general... it would be nice if we could encourage more understanding between the Muslim and western world.

Don’t like the project but I do agree more understanding is needed.

[Dr. SeaWolf]

That doesn't make sense.  How can you be for religious freedom, but be against the building of a house of worship on private property?  Just because you have a soured view toward religion doesn't mean other people shouldn't be allowed to practice in peace.

I’m for religious freedom but against religion. Not really sure how that doesn’t make sense. I’m also against the uneducated, that doesn’t mean I want make post-secondary mandatory or that I hate the people who are uneducated. That would be stupid.

That still doesn't make sense to me at all.  How can you be for religious freedom but be against the building of houses of worship on private property?  Let me allow you to clarify:  If you had your choice, would this project be illegal?

[El JoNNo]

That doesn't make sense.  How can you be for religious freedom, but be against the building of a house of worship on private property?  Just because you have a soured view toward religion doesn't mean other people shouldn't be allowed to practice in peace.

I’m for religious freedom but against religion. Not really sure how that doesn’t make sense. I’m also against the uneducated, that doesn’t mean I want make post-secondary mandatory or that I hate the people who are uneducated. That would be stupid.

That still doesn't make sense to me at all.  How can you be for religious freedom but be against the building of houses of worship on private property?  Let me allow you to clarify:  If you had your choice, would this project be illegal?

No.

[El Barto]

Ground Zero Muslim Center may get public financing
Oh boy, this oughta be great!  I love it.

I'd also like to call attention to Metty's post, which seemed to have been overlooked, but is remarkably sensible. 

From a Muslim stand point I find it unnecessary to provoke emotions of simple minded people who don't know the difference between the psychotic mass murdering extremists and our religion, this reminds me of the South Park thing even though I don't think the current situation is intentional, just inconsiderate, but basically it's an uncalled for poke at something that's healing slowly.
So I'm against it and I don't think it has anything to do with freedom, we can't freedom this and freedom that at every turn, there has to be considerations imo.

If I were affiliated with Islam, this is probably exactly what I'd think, as well. 

However, I'm not and I absolutely relish the thought of antagonizing the dipshits who don't know the difference.  Fuck 'em.  Plus, it actually creates a damned interesting competition.  We're actually going to get to watch a footrace to see who get's to blow up the other religions shrine first.  I initially thought that anybody who officed in the "freedom tower" was suicidal.  But at this point, I'd give pretty good odds that the Christians blow up the mosque first.  What a world!

[TAC]

Thanks Obama!

[El Barto]

What the hell does Obama have to do with it?  His only involvement whatsoever was an absolutely textbook display of political non-speak. 

[Seventh Son]

What the hell does Obama have to do with it?  His only involvement whatsoever was an absolutely textbook display of political non-speak. 

That's because Obama is a dirty muslim.

[Quadrochosis]

Thanks Obama!

lol I love when people randomly blame politicians for things with no cause, it makes me rofl in real life.

[El JoNNo]

Thanks Obama!

Stupid Obama, who has nothing to do with this at all. Blasted Muslims acting within their rights as United States citizens, to erect a mosque. Not only act within their rights to build a mosque but take advantage of something that every other religious organization takes advantage of. DAMN OBAMA!!







   

[TAC]

I don't want to turn this into a Repub/Dem thing but George Bush would've said No F##king Way! Let these poor families know that someone f##king cares about them. This is not the right place to put this.. end of f##king story!

  His only involvement whatsoever was an absolutely textbook display of political non-speak. 

It's more than political non speak. I still think most people would like to think that The President has their back. On this issue, he clearly showed that he does not.

[orcus116]

Except, you know, the muslims.

I'm honestly baffled that you're so against it. I just can't fathom in my head why someone would give so much of a shit about this considering how overblown it is. This whole issue is so blatantly stupid because people are actually against a non disruptive place of worship. If anyone gets offended that it happens to be near the WTC site that's their problem. What's the acceptable "let's not disrespect the families" line? 5 blocks? 10 blocks? I can't be the only one who thinks this is ridiculous. It's not like they wanted to build the damn thing on the WTC site.

[Adami]

Except, you know, the muslims.

Muslims aren't american. How many are there in america anyway? 3? 4? Should we really piss off the 99.999% of the population by granting freedom to 4 people? Seems unamerican to me.

[TAC]

It's nothing against Muslims, there's 100 mosques in NYC. It's Ground Zero that is the issue. Fuck the mayor too. He's for it as well. Even if they lose a legal battle, stick up for the people.

Maybe Obama is worried about pissing off our Mid East allies (oxymoron!) Maybe that's it.

[kirbywelch92]

Except, you know, the muslims.

Muslims aren't american. How many are there in america anyway? 3? 4? Should we really piss off the 99.999% of the population by granting freedom to 4 people? Seems unamerican to me.

Adami, you're special brand of sarcasm both hurts and tickles.

[Adami]

It's nothing against Muslims, there's 100 mosques in NYC. It's Ground Zero that is the issue. Fuck the mayor too. He's for it as well. Even if they lose a legal battle, stick up for the people.

Maybe Obama is worried about pissing off our Mid East allies (oxymoron!) Maybe that's it.

Thank god we worried about not offending white people when black people were fighting for equal rights as well.

[TAC]

It's nothing against Muslims, there's 100 mosques in NYC. It's Ground Zero that is the issue. Fuck the mayor too. He's for it as well. Even if they lose a legal battle, stick up for the people.

Maybe Obama is worried about pissing off our Mid East allies (oxymoron!) Maybe that's it.

Thank god we worried about not offending white people when black people were fighting for equal rights as well.

Adami, that's different and you know it. No one is suggesting we deny Muslims rights.

[Adami]

It's nothing against Muslims, there's 100 mosques in NYC. It's Ground Zero that is the issue. Fuck the mayor too. He's for it as well. Even if they lose a legal battle, stick up for the people.

Maybe Obama is worried about pissing off our Mid East allies (oxymoron!) Maybe that's it.

Thank god we worried about not offending white people when black people were fighting for equal rights as well.

Except for the right to build a mosque, because it makes you (and others) angry.

Should the WBC be banned from their doings? What if people are offended by any other religious act?

Adami, that's different and you know it. No one is suggesting we deny Muslims rights.

[TAC]

Hey man, I don't agree with it that's all. Like I said, there's 100 mosques in NYC. Ground Zero is just not the right place for a new one.

[Adami]

Hey man, I don't agree with it that's all. Like I said, there's 100 mosques in NYC. Ground Zero is just not the right place for a new one.

Why not? We can't make laws about offending people.

[orcus116]

Let's just ban all muslims from even walking within 5 blocks of Ground Zero. Problem solved.

[Quadrochosis]

It's nothing against Muslims, there's 100 mosques in NYC. It's Ground Zero that is the issue. Fuck the mayor too. He's for it as well. Even if they lose a legal battle, stick up for the people.

Maybe Obama is worried about pissing off our Mid East allies (oxymoron!) Maybe that's it.

Thank god we worried about not offending white people when black people were fighting for equal rights as well.

Adami, that's different and you know it. No one is suggesting we deny Muslims rights.

lol what? How is not allowing them to build a mosque not denying them rights? Also lol at your george Bush comment before. The President probably has no say in this matter at all. His opinion doesn't matter, whether it be Bush or Obama.

[Quadrochosis]

Hey man, I don't agree with it that's all. Like I said, there's 100 mosques in NYC. Ground Zero is just not the right place for a new one.

You make it seem like Islam killed people on 9/11 and not terrorists. If this were a terrorist bomber shrine, your point would be valid, but it's not, so you're just being stupid.

EDIT: Fuck, even a terrorist bomber shrine is still legitimate and merely an expression of freedom of speech. I'm trying to understand your point and simply cannot.

[TAC]

Let's just ban all muslims from even walking within 5 blocks of Ground Zero. Problem solved.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

lol what? How is not allowing them to build a mosque not denying them rights? Also lol at your george Bush comment before. The President probably has no say in this matter at all. His opinion doesn't matter, whether it be Bush or Obama.

His opinion does matter. Maybe not as a practical matter within the legalities of this, but  his opinion most certainly matters.

I think it's wrong..I don't know what else to tell you guys.

[GuineaPig]

https://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-the-ground-zero-mosque-debate-makes-no-sense/

[orcus116]

Let's just ban all muslims from even walking within 5 blocks of Ground Zero. Problem solved.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Cause I was completely serious.

[TAC]

Hey man, I don't agree with it that's all. Like I said, there's 100 mosques in NYC. Ground Zero is just not the right place for a new one.

You make it seem like Islam killed people on 9/11 and not terrorists. If this were a terrorist bomber shrine, your point would be valid, but it's not, so you're just being stupid.

EDIT: Fuck, even a terrorist bomber shrine is still legitimate and merely an expression of freedom of speech. I'm trying to understand your point and simply cannot.

woah..back the f##k up. I do NOT feel that way nor have I ever said that.

[Quadrochosis]

Let's just ban all muslims from even walking within 5 blocks of Ground Zero. Problem solved.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

lol what? How is not allowing them to build a mosque not denying them rights? Also lol at your george Bush comment before. The President probably has no say in this matter at all. His opinion doesn't matter, whether it be Bush or Obama.

His opinion does matter. Maybe not as a practical matter within the legalities of this, but  his opinion most certainly matters.

I think it's wrong..I don't know what else to tell you guys.

So because YOU think it's wrong, you think that people should be stopped from worshiping their God. Yup, makes sense.

What would you say if Christian Missionaries in Iraq were prevented from building churches by the citizens because Christian soldiers went in and tore apart the country?

[TAC]

Quad..that's far reaching and even further away from what we're talking about. A typical "slippery slope" argument.

hey whatever.....
Good night guys!

[Perpetual Change]

I'd say that not letting the Muslim Resource Center be built would be playing into the hands of Osama and the terrorists. They want it to not be allowed, so they can point and say to all the moderate practitioners of Islam "You're being oppressed. You don't really have that freedom the US says you have. See?"

[TAC]

I'd say that not letting the Muslim Resource Center be built would be playing into the hands of Osama and the terrorists. They want it to not be allowed, so they can point and say to all the moderate practitioners of Islam "You're being oppressed. You don't really have that freedom the US says you have. See?"

Perp, that's the first valid argument "for " it, and I recognize and respect that point of view. Hell, I don't even disagree with it...but if I have to go Yay or Nay, I'm still going "nay".

[King Postwhore]

I'm with TAC on this one,  I know that 99% of muslim's are good people and that works in all religons but where does common sense come into play.  Most americans still feel the pain of that day and if you've ever been their, you'd feel your heart sink for what these people went through dying that day, the pain of the families that lost family members.  A center can be built anywhere.  Can't people be sensitive to a tragic moment in our history?

[Adami]

The point of churches being built in Iraq by christian american organizations is a good one. Should those be banned too?

[orcus116]

I hate to be that dick but it's been nine years, let's start moving forward. You'd think with the amount of shit muslims got way back then things would've eased up to the point where something like this should be allowed, if not to at least respect the many peaceful practicing muslims whose reputation got severely soiled by something far beyond their control. I mean it's a God damn community center. If they're really worried about groups of muslims getting together in private I'd almost bet there's some kind of muslim run corner store or restaurant just as close where they congregate.

[King Postwhore]

The point of churches being built in Iraq by christian american organizations is a good one. Should those be banned too?

Yes.